Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Karol]

Hmmm what?

Hmmmungus waste of money

 

[pedrodelawasp]

Njie Nkoudou Ndombele

Hmmmm

Hmmm what?

Ncorrelation does not equal Ncausation

 

[easley91]

What kind of Stockholm syndrome have Tanguy put some spurs fans in, even if he would have thrown the shirt off and spat on it there would still be people saying "such a shame because he is so talented and nearly hopes that Conte gets the sack so Tanguy gets his 4th fatso pree season and another chance.... this is some kind of next-level Stockholm syndrome on this forum for this guy.

The guy is just a prick to me and i don't even care about his football because i hope he will never play a min again for us

I think the problem here is you're constantly making fat jokes towards him. Yes his mental attitude is poor, but he does have talent and that is the issue. This is really ironic considering you have a larger set player as your picture.

We can say it sucks that this is how it has gone, while acknowledging his talent and poor attitude as grown adults. Calling him Mcdombele is pretty childish.

 

[markt]

His attitude issues were well known and written about. There were articles about how he was released at Amiens as a youth for poor attitude, how he considered quitting football, about how he had issues controlling his weight etc. It's all out there

Example: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ele-complete-midfielder-focus-spurs-tottenham

What I also remember at the time we signed him that it was pointed out that despite these issues he battled back and forged a career for himself at Lyon.

The narrative at the time was how he fought back from those set backs which showed how mentally strong he was. As mentioned by others, Poch also probably thought he could get into his head and get the best out of him.

I think it's pretty unfair to blame the club or our scouting on Ndombele ending up being the waste of money that he is.

Having seemingly overcome his poor attitude issues when stepping up from Amiens to Lyon, it was reasonable to think that stepping up to play in the best league in the world for the CL finalists would provide a platform for him to enjoy his football and show his talent.

Our scouting isn't to blame. Poch isn't to blame. Hitchen or Levy or anyone isn't to blame. The sole blame for Ndombele being a failure lies with Ndombele.

Hadn't seen that article before, but honestly that really sums him up well. I am in the camp he has talent, but just like in his youth team days, nonchalant really describes him well. Sadly as a result he offers so little for someone who could have offered so much.

 

[mmidgers]

He's got talent but who really cares? He clearly doesn't. He's only in it for the pay day. Wouldn't surprise me if he just hung around collecting his wages until his contact ran out.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

He's got talent but who really cares? He clearly doesn't. He's only in it for the pay day. Wouldn't surprise me if he just hung around collecting his wages until his contact ran out.

Sadly I agree. We have to get him off the books, but we have so many issues here:
1: he's not going to go anywhere he thinks is beneath him
2: he's proved he won't work for some pretty major managers - no big club will want to take much of a risk on him (i.e. transfer fee)

....so how many credible destinations are there for him? Very few. This could badly end in tears.

He's a total joke

 

[cider spurs]

Has he gone?

Was he ever here ?‍

 

[rawhide]

Armstrong
Ferdinand
Rebrov
Bent
Bentley
Soldado
Lamela
Sissoko
Sanchez
Ndombele

Any wonder Levy is reluctant to make big money signings when this is the evolution of the Tottenham record transfer fee?

Yeah, but what’s missing are all the players we could/should have signed that would’ve been on that list.

 

[Timberwolf]

What I don’t understand is how this attitude wasn’t something that was flagged as a serious issue before we parted with north of 50m quid for him. It’s bizarre.

I really hope the club is investing a lot of money into our scouting and recruitment because, Christ, we’ve spent some serious cash on shite over the past few years.

His history of attitude problems and laziness widely known so I can only assume we just took a punt on the fact we'd get the best out of him. Poch had clearly earmarked him as his main midfield target and all the ITK suggests how unwilling Poch was to bend on his first choices so I'm guessing Levy just went with it. Poch had a history for this type of thing too. His biggest signing at Saints was Osvaldo who also a moody bastard and caused problems before storming out of the club.

Given the monster contract we offered him, we clearly felt like the deal was a coup at the time and we had no choice but to offer a ridiculous wages to woo him here over the mega clubs. The problem with that is Ndombele has clearly always seen himself as above Spurs and his heart has never really been in it here. He came because of the money, not because he wanted to be at Spurs. The fact that every window there are leaks that he's "hoping for a big offer from a big Champions League team" in spite of his shite performances tells the whole story.

 

[DanNolan]

Ndombele is a sad case really. He’s a player absolutely bursting with talent and when he’s in a good mental place has shown he can be a very good premier league player. What I would say is he does let himself down as his head drops very quick and then he’s useless, also the stroll off the pitch yesterday summed up his selfishness.

but let’s not forget that he was brought in by Poch to play in a possession based game, picking the ball up and transitioning it to the strikers through dribbling and through balls… a la dembele. Poch was sacked and since we have employed two managers in Jose and conte who’s midfielders are functional at best and encouraged not to dwell on the ball or show any individuality. Creative midfielders are not suited to either boss.

Yesterday he was poor, and that from a genuine apologist of his, however what I would say is that all of our attacking players are poor when Kane doesn’t play. It’s not a one off that we struggle with our ‘b’ team which doesn’t include a striker to be focal point of the attack. A player who’s best moments come from through balls and 1-2s off of a striker is gonna be rubbish in a game with nothing in front of him. GLC, Dele and GLC have not been good but they usually play in scratch sides without a striker! The lack of a second striker in the squad causes most of our issues imo.

 

[Timberwolf]

His attitude issues were well known and written about. There were articles about how he was released at Amiens as a youth for poor attitude, how he considered quitting football, about how he had issues controlling his weight etc. It's all out there

Example: https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ele-complete-midfielder-focus-spurs-tottenham

What I also remember at the time we signed him that it was pointed out that despite these issues he battled back and forged a career for himself at Lyon.

The narrative at the time was how he fought back from those set backs which showed how mentally strong he was. As mentioned by others, Poch also probably thought he could get into his head and get the best out of him.

I think it's pretty unfair to blame the club or our scouting on Ndombele ending up being the waste of money that he is.

Having seemingly overcome his poor attitude issues when stepping up from Amiens to Lyon, it was reasonable to think that stepping up to play in the best league in the world for the CL finalists would provide a platform for him to enjoy his football and show his talent.

Our scouting isn't to blame. Poch isn't to blame. Hitchen or Levy or anyone isn't to blame. The sole blame for Ndombele being a failure lies with Ndombele.

I still think a chunk of the blame has to fall on Poch and the scouting team tbh.

There are tons of footballers that have been consummate professionals and fully dedicated non-stop throughout their entire careers. The fact that Ndombele was widely known for having a history of laziness and attitude problems alone should've raised some red flags, even if he had improved over the past couple of seasons at Lyon.

Also, given his talent, why were no other big teams pushing hard for him? The whole footballing world was shocked that we pulled off this massive coup at the time but maybe the other clubs had actually done their due diligence and knew he was far too risky a proposition given his character.

When you're spending that kind of crazy money on a record signing as a club like Spurs with limited funds, you need to be damn sure that you're getting a consummate professional.

 

[Tucker]

The only way I can see him leaving this Jan is if Newcastle gets desperate come deadline day.

Hopefully their owners think he could play with Saint Maximin

Desperate? They’d have to be stupid.

 

[HildoSpur]

Worst signing in the clubs history - doesn't give one shit.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I still think a chunk of the blame has to fall on Poch and the scouting team tbh.

There are tons of footballers that have been consummate professionals and fully dedicated non-stop throughout their entire careers. The fact that Ndombele was widely known for having a history of laziness and attitude problems alone should've raised some red flags, even if he had improved over the past couple of seasons at Lyon.

Also, given his talent, why were no other big teams pushing hard for him? The whole footballing world was shocked that we pulled off this massive coup at the time but maybe the other clubs had actually done their due diligence and knew he was far too risky a proposition given his character.

When you're spending that kind of crazy money on a record signing as a club like Spurs with limited funds, you need to be damn sure that you're getting a consummate professional.

Agree but Poch's ego would have meant he thought he could got him focused. And the club did what all fans want and 'backed the manager'.

 

[ikky]

I have a hell of a lot more respect for Ghaly. Didn’t he once play on when he suffered many broken teeth? Can u imagine Ndombele doing anything like that?!

 

[Wadec]

I still think a chunk of the blame has to fall on Poch and the scouting team tbh.

There are tons of footballers that have been consummate professionals and fully dedicated non-stop throughout their entire careers. The fact that Ndombele was widely known for having a history of laziness and attitude problems alone should've raised some red flags, even if he had improved over the past couple of seasons at Lyon.

Also, given his talent, why were no other big teams pushing hard for him? The whole footballing world was shocked that we pulled off this massive coup at the time but maybe the other clubs had actually done their due diligence and knew he was far too risky a proposition given his character.

When you're spending that kind of crazy money on a record signing as a club like Spurs with limited funds, you need to be damn sure that you're getting a consummate professional.

Completely agree.

Looking at the player he is and what Poch was all about. Can't help but think there are not many worse fits.

The vast majority of Poch's good signings were young, hungry players who ran through walls for him.

Of course hindsight is a wonderful thing and the overwhelming majority were delighted with the signing. It is scary how much of a bad decision it was looking back.

 

[Spurslove]

Sadly I agree. We have to get him off the books, but we have so many issues here:
1: he's not going to go anywhere he thinks is beneath him
2: he's proved he won't work for some pretty major managers - no big club will want to take much of a risk on him (i.e. transfer fee)

....so how many credible destinations are there for him? Very few. This could badly end in tears.
Three years at £200,000 per week comes to around £30+ million.

God almighty. It's to our eternal shame, whoever was behind that.

Surely, before any such transfer, some consideration has to be made of the players attitude and his general suitability to the increased pressures of the EPL.

And I'm sick and tired of people saying what a wonderfully talented player he is. No he f**king isn't, or if he is, he certainly hasn't shown us anywhere near enough of it for our £30+ million.

From stuff I read in various forums, we're desperately trying to get rid of him, but of course, nobody wants to buy him and pay those outrageous wages and I don't blame anyone for that.

I think we may be stuck with him.
He's a total joke

Three years at £200,000 per week comes to around £30+ million.

God almighty. It's to our eternal shame, whoever was behind that.

Surely, before any such transfer, some consideration has to be made of the players attitude and his general suitability to the increased pressures of the EPL.

If his previous 'issues' were a thing, then whoever was behind his transfer should be made to answer for it.

And I'm sick and tired of people saying what a wonderfully talented player he is. No he f**king isn't, or if he is, he certainly hasn't shown us anywhere near enough of it for our £30+ million.

From stuff I read in various forums, we're desperately trying to get rid of him, but of course, nobody wants to buy him and pay those outrageous wages and I don't blame anyone for that. So, he's causing a log-jam in our transfer dealings

I think we may be stuck with him. Oh joy.

 

[Wadec]

Levy has to box clever with this, if he holds out for someone to pay what he wants (fees or wages for a loan) we will be left with him here come Feb.

We have to take the hit for the rest of the season but get him out somewhere he can show his talent. I get everyone is quite rightly furios with him but he has immense talent. We need to send him somewhere he can showcase this in the hope we can move him come the summer.

That could be anywhere Italy, Spain, France even Turkey. Just get him out and hope he can produce something to tempt someone into taking him off our hands.

 

[Spurslove]

Levy has to box clever with this, if he holds out for someone to pay what he wants (fees or wages for a loan) we will be left with him here come Feb.

We have to take the hit for the rest of the season but get him out somewhere he can show his talent. I get everyone is quite rightly furios with him but he has immense talent. We need to send him somewhere he can showcase this in the hope we can move him come the summer.

That could be anywhere Italy, Spain, France even Turkey. Just get him out and hope he can produce something to tempt someone into taking him off our hands.

Yep.

 

[Guntz]