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Marvinspur

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dontcallme said:
It's amazing how Poch got the expensive players he chose in Ndombele and Lo Celso for a manager who apparently wasn't backed
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Eh Pochettino has never been that active in recruitment His complaints at the end were about moving people on as much as brining them in. He saw that the desire and energy in the team had gone. If you read his book or even Levy interviews he rarely pushes for buys. He also really pushed for spurs to bring in Paul Mitchell from Southampton, suggesting he valued a pair of trustworthy eyes in recruitment.

The Pochettino/Mitchell combo worked really well at Southampton and at Tottenham. Mitchell being part of the team that bought in: Dele Alli, Son Heung-min, Kieran Trippier and Toby Alderweireld. Really top buys. Mitchell ended up breaking up with Levy in a really big way "his dream job turned into a nightmare" as he said publicly.

Steve Hitchen is when the recruitment started to fail. Honestly so glad he is out of the club. Lo Celso and Ndomble were ultimately his pics as chief scout. Obviously Pochettino would have been sat down with a highlights reel and given the go ahead and deserves some blame.. but lets face it if you see Ndomble in a highlights reel you get him. The guy has extreme talent!

But it highlights a bigger problem. Lo Celso and Ndomble are just far too similar players. I don't understand why you would buy them together in a single window. They are both ultimately ball carriers who can beat a man and make final 3rd passes. I feel that having them both made it more challenging for either to get a rhythm.

Ndomble is clearly not suited for the PL and struggles as he does not seek the ball, he waits for play to come to him. I don't know if this is a lack of effort or lack of a football brain. He seems to have genuine fitness issues as well. But at the time it was an understandably buy. He was cities back up if they didn't get Rodri and did have this insane talent that he showed in crunch CL games against English sides. Buying from France always carries with it risk and its hard to know what a player is like without getting up close.

I don't blame this individual buy as the problem. What I blame is that Hitchens era of recruitment had a constant failure to adequately replace the players that had left. The players we have bought have generally been highlight players who had mental short comings and do not give the side what it was missing. These were players bought because they have a very high ceiling rather than players bought because they address deficiencies in the squad. Not bad buys when you have a functioning squad and want that extra, not so good buys when your squad is lacking a functioning core.

Bentacur is the kind of buy we needed but have not been making. Highly capped budget buys that address a known problem in the side with proven quality. Rather then spending a lot of money on players that could be super stars but have not proven anything and just hoping that if you buy two for that position one of them will stick. Well actually its more likely to unsettle a squad.
 
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slartibartfast

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Just watching AG. Regarding Ndomble he said he did some good bits buts other bits, ie running back to defend where he did his usual stroll, not so good.
Blokes a part timer. Think it'll be another loan.
 
CoopsieDeadpool

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Marvinspur said:
Eh Pochettino has never been that active in recruitment His complaints at the end were about moving people on as much as brining them in. He saw that the desire and energy in the team had gone. If you read his book or even Levy interviews he rarely pushes for buys. He also really pushed for spurs to bring in Paul Mitchell from Southampton, suggesting he valued a pair of trustworthy eyes in recruitment.

The Pochettino/Mitchell combo worked really well at Southampton and at Tottenham. Mitchell being part of the team that bought in: Dele Alli, Son Heung-min, Kieran Trippier and Toby Alderweireld. Really top buys. Mitchell ended up breaking up with Levy in a really big way "his dream job turned into a nightmare" as he said publicly.

Steve Hitchen is when the recruitment started to fail. Honestly so glad he is out of the club. Lo Celso and Ndomble were ultimately his pics as chief scout. Obviously Pochettino would have been sat down with a highlights reel and given the go ahead and deserves some blame.. but lets face it if you see Ndomble in a highlights reel you get him. The guy has extreme talent!

But it highlights a bigger problem. Lo Celso and Ndomble are just far too similar players. I don't understand why you would buy them together in a single window. They are both ultimately ball carriers who can beat a man and make final 3rd passes. I feel that having them both made it more challenging for either to get a rhythm.

Ndomble is clearly not suited for the PL and struggles as he does not seek the ball, he waits for play to come to him. I don't know if this is a lack of effort or lack of a football brain. He seems to have genuine fitness issues as well. But at the time it was an understandably buy. He was cities back up if they didn't get Rodri and did have this insane talent that he showed in crunch CL games against English sides. Buying from France always carries with it risk and its hard to know what a player is like without getting up close.

I don't blame this individual buy as the problem. What I blame is that Hitchens era of recruitment had a constant failure to adequately replace the players that had left. The players we have bought have generally been highlight players who had mental short comings and do not give the side what it was missing. These were players bought because they have a very high ceiling rather than players bought because they address deficiencies in the squad. Not bad buys when you have a functioning squad and want that extra, not so good buys when your squad is lacking a functioning core.

Bentacur is the kind of buy we needed but have not been making. Highly capped budget buys that address a known problem in the side with proven quality. Rather then spending a lot of money on players that could be super stars but have not proven anything and just hoping that if you buy two for that position one of them will stick. Well actually its more likely to unsettle a squad.
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@dontcallme , good luck :woot:
 
spursfan77

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slartibartfast said:
Just watching AG. Regarding Ndomble he said he did some good bits buts other bits, ie running back to defend where he did his usual stroll, not so good.
Blokes a part timer. Think it'll be another loan.
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I think we'll have to get him out on a deal similar to Dele's. Trouble is with him, where will he go to that is acceptable to him.
 
alexis

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I was so happy when we landed him I thought he was going to be our next world class star. There’s not many that I found so frustrating as him, he could have the world at his feet, really sad.
 
HodisGawd

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If Ndom puts on a show for Lyon tonight and they win, tragically, it'll be the best thing he's done for us.

Of course, that won't happen.
 
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