Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[doctor stefan Freud]

I always laugh at the weekly wage thing as if they are collecting a brown envelope with a payslip checking how much tax and NI they have payed.

And then buying a fish supper times five for the family. A saveloy for the hound on bank holiday weekends, because even dogs deserve treats sometimes

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Surely, if he hasn’t made himself available for a match day squad, or isn’t of the required conditioning, just fine him.

I haven’t got this impression from what Nuno has been saying. It’s more that he has made it known he wants to move on that’s why he isn’t being selected.

 

[worcestersauce]

I guess not being selected is a fine.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I can't believe what a failure this has been. There's always risks with transfers - look at Soldado as a random example.

But Soldado gave it his all - he really tried to make it work, ultimately went with our best wishes and remains welcome back.

This guy is a disgrace. He needs to take a long hard look at himself. What a prick

 

[evo23]

Said it before, if he can’t obligate his contract don’t pay him.

 

[Joely]

Eager to see the back of him now. Was so excited when he signed and no doubt, on talent alone he has the ability to be one of the best in the world. Clung onto the hope he'd come good but accepted we are wasting our time with this guy. He may well go on and do exceptionally well for his next club, but don't think I'd really care.

I know sometimes we have to move for a player early before he pushes on and the big clubs get involved but in hindsight, I think Ndombele was better off staying staying in France. It's all happened too quick for him imo. Going from nearly being cast aside from the game to picking up 200k a week in a couple of seasons. For all his immense talent, get vibes he still treats the professional game like a kickabout in the playground and doesn't buy into everything that's expected of a professional footballer at this level.

 

[Gbspurs]

Said it before, if he can’t obligate his contract don’t pay him.

The issue is his contract won't say "be everything the manager wants" it will just be about being available to play which I'm sure he would argue he is.

 

[Metalhead]

Said it before, if he can’t obligate his contract don’t pay him.

I don't think that anyone would disagree in principle but unfortunately that never seems to happen. If he was on a 'pay as you play' contract then it would be easy not to pay him but unfortunately history is littered with players taking the piss but still getting paid.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Is the £200k quoted the basic or is that a playing wage? Our wage structure has always been made up of basic and appearance bonus which encourages players to put in the effort to make the first team, I don't imagine that has changed so he may be on a bit of a reduced wage at the moment, perhaps that's one reason Nuno won't play him.
If that's the case I don't know how much of a difference it makes but another team might not have to be looking at matching or getting close to the top line figure.

I may be wrong, it wouldn't be the first time.

But I'm sure I can remember reading that he wanted to be paid the same as our highest earner, and that was what eventually got us his signature.

Edit: looks something like that -

Report: Tanguy Ndombele to be given huge Tottenham wages

Tottenham are reportedly set to make Tanguy Ndombele one of the club's highest earners, alongside Harry Kane and Dele Alli.

tbrfootball.com

Tottenham Hotspur: Spurs fans discuss Ndombele’s wage

Spurs fans have been reacting to Harry Redknapp’s suggestion that the top earners at the club should be taking a wage cut to help the non-playing staff in these difficult times, with a lot of fans…

thisisfutbol.com

Report shares how much Tanguy Ndombele will earn at Tottenham Hotspur

Tottenham Hotspur appear to be closing in on a deal to sign Tanguy Ndombele from Lyon. According to a report on Football.London, Tottenham Hotspur are...

www.hitc.com

Premier League wages: Harry Kane wants HUGE new contract for staying at Tottenham and he'd earn more than Jack Grealish, Kevin De Bruyne and Manchester United and Liverpool stars

Harry Kane may not be getting the transfer to Man City he wanted but now he hopes to get a huge new contract at Tottenham. The Spurs striker, 28, reportedly wants to get around £400,000 a week in a…

talksport.com

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

I always laugh at the weekly wage thing as if they are collecting a brown envelope with a payslip checking how much tax and NI they have payed.

All facilitated by The Allardyce-Redknapp Finance corporation.

 

[sosua]

Unfortunately Tanguay has a high opinion of himself. He knows he is more talented than the majority of the players out there. I guess he thinks talent alone is sufficient. Such a shame, all around, that it worked out like this.

 

[diamond lights]

If he only he had an attitude like Lamela he would be a worldbeater!

 

[jonnyp]

As soon as the window closes I hope we start fining him.

 

[hellava_tough]

Surely, if he hasn’t made himself available for a match day squad, or isn’t of the required conditioning, just fine him.

Unless it is medical - including mental health - there must be a contractual term that penalises a player for this type of behaviour (unless of course it is a fine - in which case fine him his full salary!)

Said it before, if he can’t obligate his contract don’t pay him.

You'll probably find that he's turning up for training and doing what is required to meet his contractual obligations.

How do you practically write into a contract that training intensity levels have to be at a specific value, or that performances have to be at a specific level?

Obviously there are performance bonuses, but the 'base' contract won't have anything in it. Even if we were really technical with our requirements, I doubt any player would sign a contract that had these requirements in it. Especially if no other club was doing it.

Finally, clubs don't seem to take a hard-line with players, suing them if they're not performing. This might be right or wrong, but I understand why. A club is looking to attract the best players into their squad every season, so if you get a reputation for fighting with players, then less players will sign for your club.

Obviously, the flip side of this is if your club develops a reputation for being a soft-touch, retirement home, built on 'easy-street' (think Spurs in the 90s). That's not good either.

It's a real balancing act.

Anyway, re. NDombele...what a mess!!

 

[taricco]

Im surprised that there aren’t contract clauses that guard against this kind of attitude from a player. E.g. expected to maintain a certain level of fitness.

 

[Nine while nine]

I sense what I'm about to write is not necessarily in line with what else has been said in this thread but, in response to the claim in the ITK thread that we failed to do due diligence on Ndombele, I'd just like to point out that we're not exactly what Ndombele signed up for either.

When he signed for Tottenham, he would have had a good long chat with Pochettino about his role, how his style of play would suit our tactics, what we would require of him, how he'd be working with some of the best players on the planet, how our ambition was to go one step further in the Champions League and how the League title was what we really cared about. He'd have thought that this was something he could really get behind and commit to.

Instead, Pochettino left, his successor turned up on his doorstep to personally shame him, our tactics changed from front-foot pressing and attacking football (which we executed poorly) to 'nick a goal and defend for your life' (which we ultimately executed very poorly), our best player wants to leave, we've not seen top four for a couple of seasons let alone challenge for the League and we're in a made-up competition in Europe rather than CL.

Yes, I'd like him to see Nuno's arrival as the opportunity for a fresh challenge, but I sense he's looked at everything in the round and thought 'you know what, I really can't be arsed to go through this again'. As a Spurs fan, I have to say I'm bloody annoyed at this. As someone who's worked in teams which have changed managers several times in a short period of time, with each new one promising 'a clean slate' and 'a new way of working', I can't say I blame him, especially when the latest guy seems to prioritise the one part of the skill set in which Tanguy appears to be deficient.

Given how much we love the club and the level of wages our players draw, I know some of you will want every professional to give 100% every game for every manager, no matter what the tactics or the situation, but it just doesn't happen like that. Jan phoned it in under Sherwood. Kane mouthed 'what's the fucking point' under Mason. I think we have to accept that Ndombele and Nuno won't work and have to hope that Paratici can engineer something that mitigates the loss we'll make, both in terms of talent and money.

I do think Ndombele is largely at fault for what's happened, but, unless you believe Tottenham have been absolutely flawless as a club in his time here, then I think it's fair to say that there's been fault on both sides.

 

[Gareth88]

Maybe Levy can give him another one of those cringey talks

 

[DiVaio]

I haven’t got this impression from what Nuno has been saying. It’s more that he has made it known he wants to move on that’s why he isn’t being selected.

As The Athletic...

 

[Clive Wilson]

I do think people are blowing this out of proportion, understandably as it's about the 4th time there has been similar going ons. In training he has looked happy, has been interacting with the other players like nothing is up and is seen running just as hard as the others in the drills.

I think most likely he got sulky that Serge and Sissoko are surplus to requirements and was indifferent about his future and that has pissed off Nuno who wants PEH/Skipp/New Dele levels of dedication to the cause. It doesn't seem to me that he's downed tools, refused to train or is not fit, he is just too laid back and "cool" to go to that next level. You know Harry Redknapp would be building the team around him and letting him get away with it.

I'm still hopeful he'll have an epiphany and realise how blessed he is to be where he is and not need his friends there to keep him happy but regardless I expect to see him start to be included soon.

 

[hellava_tough]

I sense what I'm about to write is not necessarily in line with what else has been said in this thread but, in response to the claim in the ITK thread that we failed to do due diligence on Ndombele, I'd just like to point out that we're not exactly what Ndombele signed up for either.

When he signed for Tottenham, he would have had a good long chat with Pochettino about his role, how his style of play would suit our tactics, what we would require of him, how he'd be working with some of the best players on the planet, how our ambition was to go one step further in the Champions League and how the League title was what we really cared about. He'd have thought that this was something he could really get behind and commit to.

Instead, Pochettino left, his successor turned up on his doorstep to personally shame him, our tactics changed from front-foot pressing and attacking football (which we executed poorly) to 'nick a goal and defend for your life' (which we ultimately executed very poorly), our best player wants to leave, we've not seen top four for a couple of seasons let alone challenge for the League and we're in a made-up competition in Europe rather than CL.

Yes, I'd like him to see Nuno's arrival as the opportunity for a fresh challenge, but I sense he's looked at everything in the round and thought 'you know what, I really can't be arsed to go through this again'. As a Spurs fan, I have to say I'm bloody annoyed at this. As someone who's worked in teams which have changed managers several times in a short period of time, with each new one promising 'a clean slate' and 'a new way of working', I can't say I blame him, especially when the latest guy seems to prioritise the one part of the skill set in which Tanguy appears to be deficient.

Given how much we love the club and the level of wages our players draw, I know some of you will want every professional to give 100% every game for every manager, no matter what the tactics or the situation, but it just doesn't happen like that. Jan phoned it in under Sherwood. Kane mouthed 'what's the fucking point' under Mason. I think we have to accept that Ndombele and Nuno won't work and have to hope that Paratici can engineer something that mitigates the loss we'll make, both in terms of talent and money.

I do think Ndombele is largely at fault for what's happened, but, unless you believe Tottenham have been absolutely flawless as a club in his time here, then I think it's fair to say that there's been fault on both sides.

I don't think Spurs have acted atypically to any other football club in the industry though.

Any professional within football knows that things can change, month to month or year to year. That's just a part of the industry that you've chosen to work in.

Sure, people phone in performances, but that doesn't make it right.

Finally, even if you don't like the manager, or tactics, there is still a basic level of professionalism and decency that is expected of any person. Doing your gym sessions and putting in a decent shift every training session, isn't too much to ask if you've chosen to be a professional sports person.

Ultimately, NDombele has been given literally everything he needs to succeed at his job, including a huge yearly salary, and he still can't be bothered.

The guy sounds like a man-child tbh.