Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[homer hotspur]

Fat jokes, “huffing and puffing,” lazy, “biggest transfer mistake in spurs history,” stupid headdress, “can’t be arsed,” “loves his cheeseburgers,” sure does get out of a car slowly.

all legit criticisms?

The biggest transfer mistake in Spurs History is legit that's without question.

 

[ravo]

Can't imagine him cutting it in 35 degree heat...

He could probably finally stop wearing a beanie in summer heat over there.

 

[stevespurs]

Why don’t clubs have the reverse of performance bonuses in player contracts? If a player is dropped and not playing for the first team.

Surely every club has copped players losing form, and even worse, not wanting to play.

Am I missing something obvious here?

 

[TommyGee]

Why don’t clubs have the reverse of performance bonuses in player contracts? If a player is dropped and not playing for the first team.

Surely every club has copped players losing form, and even worse, not wanting to play.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Yes, I think you’re missing the player’s perspective.

No one would accept a contract like that, especially at our level where players would have many better and more stable offers on the table if that’s what we were proposing.

 

[kursaal]

If as rumours suggest that he's incredibly lax with timekeeping why cant the club issue verbal.and then written warnings like you would in any other job?

 

[worcestersauce]

Why don’t clubs have the reverse of performance bonuses in player contracts? If a player is dropped and not playing for the first team.

Surely every club has copped players losing form, and even worse, not wanting to play.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Pretty sure part of the salary package is performance related so when you are not playing you are not earning the headline figure.

 

[stevespurs]

Yes, I think you’re missing the player’s perspective.

No one would accept a contract like that, especially at our level where players would have many better and more stable offers on the table if that’s what we were proposing.

But if every club had the same “pay penalty” for underperforming, and performance related bonuses too, to compensate. Would this simply stop these situations?

I’m not talking about injured players that aren’t playing, just the ones that have been dropped to reserves, for under performing.

The vast money that some of these players are on is obscene, couple that with getting paid whilst not “kicking goals”. Its another world aye!

 

[muppetman]

But if every club had the same “pay penalty” for underperforming, and performance related bonuses too, to compensate. Would this simply stop these situations?

I’m not talking about injured players that aren’t playing, just the ones that have been dropped to reserves, for under performing.

The vast money that some of these players are on is obscene, couple that with getting paid whilst not “kicking goals”. Its another world aye!

Because it would be subjective and open to abuse. How do you say what is "under performing" and what is just being slightly below someone on the pecking order or a poorer tactical fit for a new manager?

Examples like Tanguy are clear but are I think in the minority. We just need to accept that we got it wrong with him and make the pain as small as possible - whether that's a loan deal, a sale or just paying him to go away.

 

[wearetheparklane]

But but but Ange slapped him on the back twice!! He was supposed to fire us to the title!!

 

[TommyGee]

But if every club had the same “pay penalty” for underperforming, and performance related bonuses too, to compensate. Would this simply stop these situations?

I’m not talking about injured players that aren’t playing, just the ones that have been dropped to reserves, for under performing.

The vast money that some of these players are on is obscene, couple that with getting paid whilst not “kicking goals”. Its another world aye!

No, it's just not practical at all.

Take Porro for example on the other end of what you're saying.

Porro has done nothing wrong at all. He was brought in under Conte and just doesn't suit the current formation under Ange as well as Emerson does. He now also doesn't feature in the first XI, but through no fault of his own. Does he also get the same deduction because he isn't featuring, even though his effort is still there while Ndombele's isn't?

The only practical thing is to apply the opposite of what you're saying, and to heavily incentivise bonuses for milestones and success beyond the base salary; which by all accounts we already do moreso than most other clubs.

No player (or anyone else in the "real world") would accept what you're suggesting, and nor should they. You're only looking at it from a club and fan perspective, but that's pointless if there is no acceptable benefit to the other party.

 

[Wig]

Can you imagine him huffing and puffing in that heat.

Bet he'd still wear a beanie

 

[Dunc2610]

I would like to see him moved on too but come on guys. A bunch of stuff was said about Dele and it turned out that he was suffering with a mental illness. I don't know what is going on with N'dom but clearly, he's not got the appetite for football anymore, for whatever reason.

Anymore, I'm not sure he's ever had it!

 

[StanSpur]

No, it's just not practical at all.

Take Porro for example on the other end of what you're saying.

Porro has done nothing wrong at all. He was brought in under Conte and just doesn't suit the current formation under Ange as well as Emerson does. He now also doesn't feature in the first XI, but through no fault of his own. Does he also get the same deduction because he isn't featuring, even though his effort is still there while Ndombele's isn't?

The only practical thing is to apply the opposite of what you're saying, and to heavily incentivise bonuses for milestones and success beyond the base salary; which by all accounts we already do moreso than most other clubs.

No player (or anyone else in the "real world") would accept what you're suggesting, and nor should they. You're only looking at it from a club and fan perspective, but that's pointless if there is no acceptable benefit to the other party.

Yet we all have performance reviews in our jobs annually and if not meeting the standards set by our companies we are put on a pathway to improve or have our contracts terminated. I don’t understand why players aren’t the same, are they not just thfc employees?

 

[ButchCassidy]

Yet we all have performance reviews in our jobs annually and if not meeting the standards set by our companies we are put on a pathway to improve or have our contracts terminated. I don’t understand why players aren’t the same, are they not just thfc employees?

You can quit your job basically whenever you like and go work for the shop down the road who wants to pay you more. Is that something you want footballers to be able to do? Then maybe you can see why they’re on guaranteed long-term contracts?

If he’s late, or he misses practice, or he breaks team rules, he can be fined, as will be outlined in his contract.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Why don’t clubs have the reverse of performance bonuses in player contracts? If a player is dropped and not playing for the first team.

Surely every club has copped players losing form, and even worse, not wanting to play.

Am I missing something obvious here?

Yes, employment law.

 

[StanSpur]

You can quit your job basically whenever you like and go work for the shop down the road who wants to pay you more. Is that something you want footballers to be able to do? Then maybe you can see why they’re on guaranteed long-term contracts?

If he’s late, or he misses practice, or he breaks team rules, he can be fined, as will be outlined in his contract.

I wouldn't mind it actually, they would have to have an agreed significant notice period as per company directors and could even hold competition clauses that prevent them from representing a club in the same league for a period of 12 months etc. that would reduce the risk of the players just quitting willy nilly. They would also be restricted by the number of players in a squad so they couldn't all leave for City at the same time anyway. It would remove the need for transfer fees and create a genuine free market. It would never happen as FIFA wouldn't make it mandatory across the globe and leagues with greater financial power will become even more dominant - whilst leagues such as saudi could join the prem in dominance given their greater spending powers

 

[spursintheblood]

As long as his attitude is away from the squad, I don't care if we have to pay his wages on loan.

Shame. He was a talent.

If the Jonathan David rumours hold any water, perhaps a cheap loan for Lille as a sweetener?

 

[worcestersauce]

I am surprised people don't think there are performance reviews for footballers when truth is they take place every week and if the manager thinks their performance isn't up to standard they don't get selected and their earnings go down.

 

[Japhet]

Should be fining him heavily if he can't turn up to training on time. One way to keep his wages down.

 

[Now it's Spursonal]

Stade Rennais activates the Tanguy Ndombele track!