Player Watch - Tanguy Ndombele

[Frozen_Waffles]

Criticising Ndombele seems a little weird to me at this point.

The massive criticism in my eyes is at our scouting team at the time.

We can make mistakes if we sign players and they don't manage to adapt to the Premier League or don't quite make it (it happens all the time).

However (like we did with GLC and Bergwijn) we signed them off the back of one good season with big question marks. When you're spending 30m plus on a footballer you have to be dam sure they have a good mentality.

If memory serves, Poch signed an Italian striker who was crazy for Southampton as well.

I think it was Sir Alex that use to put private investigators on players he was looking to sign to check how their personal life was as well.

Do your homework, Poch, Hitchen and whoever was signing the players clearly didn't bother.

Ange and Paratici are and were very clear in this department. We wouldn't have gone near Ndombele if either of those two were at the club back then.

 

[Shanks]

I’m not sure it’s a mental health thing or whether he has no hunger.

made an absolute fortune for his talent, enjoys the fruits more than football.

waste of money for us though, which is a shame as absolutely had potential to be a very top player.

 

[kmk]

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I think it was Sir Alex that use to put private investigators on players he was looking to sign to check how their personal life was as well.

Do your homework, Poch, Hitchen and whoever was signing the players clearly didn't bother.

Even Fergie signed flops like Veron, Djemba Djemba, Kleiberson, Bellion, Taibi, Obertan, Bosnich, Poborsky and Manucho.

 

[Locotoro]

I’m not sure it’s a mental health thing or whether he has no hunger.

made an absolute fortune for his talent, enjoys the fruits more than football.

waste of money for us though, which is a shame as absolutely had potential to be a very top player.

Can you imagine how good a motivated and fit Ndombele would be in the 6 role for us

 

[jay2040]

I absolutely consider it.

I'm just far more cautious than some on here due to my own experiences and having seen the collective and overnight sigh of guilt everyone seems to have forgotten about when Dele came out with his issues.

The question I ask is this. He knows he's talented, he knows he's worked hard to be where he is and he knows he's wasting away. There is something intrinsically self destructive in it that goes beyond straight forward laziness

I think you don't know for certain either way. I only have a finite supply of empathy and none for him!

 

[Shanks]

Even Fergie signed flops like Veron, Djemba Djemba, Kleiberson, Bellion, Taibi, Obertan, Bosnich, Poborsky and Manucho.

Yep, not many of them for club records and his flops rarely impacted on pitch or off pitch decisions due to the ongoing success he had.

not comparable.

we’ve seen the impact of this failure on subsequent non-signings

 

[Japhet]

If it's not for him he should rip up his contact and find something else to do, rather than waste the clubs money. Until they happens he's a sponge

If he has an ounce of sense he'll realise that his career is headed for a massive nosedive when his time here is finished. Under the circumstances, I don't think ripping up his own contract is much of an option.

 

[kd2000]

If he has an ounce of sense he'll realise that his career is headed for a massive nosedive when his time here is finished. Under the circumstances, I don't think ripping up his own contract is much of an option.

It seems to be, looking on from the outside that he doesn't particularly have a massive affinity for playing the game.
If he see it purely as a job and because he has decent ability he can make a good living at it then he's succeeding.
It's hard for most fans to understand because they would have given everything to play football at the highest level and it wouldn't just be about money for them.

Ultimately regardless of whether you're a footballer, accountant, fireman or Brickie and you're paid a decent wage whether you're the best or worst in a job you are not passionate about then where is the motivation to do better?

 

[mmidgers]

If he has an ounce of sense he'll realise that his career is headed for a massive nosedive when his time here is finished. Under the circumstances, I don't think ripping up his own contract is much of an option.

I was suggesting he do this to find happiness in life as it was being implied that he wasn't a happy bunny. I would doubt very much that he actually would

 

[whitechina]

Can you imagine how good a motivated and fit Ndombele would be in the 6 role for us

Not digging you out
But FFS
Let's just let his contract end and try to forget him
His times past

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

If he has an ounce of sense he'll realise that his career is headed for a massive nosedive when his time here is finished. Under the circumstances, I don't think ripping up his own contract is much of an option.

He is looking forward to spending time with Jesse Lingard and David Bentley

 

[Shanks]

It seems to be, looking on from the outside that he doesn't particularly have a massive affinity for playing the game.
If he see it purely as a job and because he has decent ability he can make a good living at it then he's succeeding.
It's hard for most fans to understand because they would have given everything to play football at the highest level and it wouldn't just be about money for them.

Ultimately regardless of whether you're a footballer, accountant, fireman or Brickie and you're paid a decent wage whether you're the best or worst in a job you are not passionate about then where is the motivation to do better?

Pretty much this, earning power is one of the main influences for working hard at the biggining, of course there are others but it gets to a point in all footballers were money talks, it’s a short life as a footballer so if you are one of the lucky ones that gets to the very top leagues, gotta be making enough for yourself, hopefully family and friends too.

there is ridiculous money in this game and comfortable lives is a huge carrot to aim for

 

[allatsea]

Can you imagine how good a motivated and fit Ndombele would be in the 6 role for us

No plus I have never seen a fully fit and motivated Ndombele

 

[Wheeler Dealer]

No plus I have never seen a fully fit and motivated Ndombele

The quickest he’s moved was when his number was called to collect his Big Mac meal

 

[FloridaSpur]

Criticising Ndombele seems a little weird to me at this point.

The massive criticism in my eyes is at our scouting team at the time.

We can make mistakes if we sign players and they don't manage to adapt to the Premier League or don't quite make it (it happens all the time).

However (like we did with GLC and Bergwijn) we signed them off the back of one good season with big question marks. When you're spending 30m plus on a footballer you have to be dam sure they have a good mentality.

If memory serves, Poch signed an Italian striker who was crazy for Southampton as well.

I think it was Sir Alex that use to put private investigators on players he was looking to sign to check how their personal life was as well.

Do your homework, Poch, Hitchen and whoever was signing the players clearly didn't bother.

Ange and Paratici are and were very clear in this department. We wouldn't have gone near Ndombele if either of those two were at the club back then.

Though i think Hitchin was very poor at his job, it's not the player we sign that is the problem it's the player they become after a big money move.

Best the first true superstar of the game was flawed and though N'Dombele never really set the game on fire at Spurs he was never that poor before he joined us.

I mean look what happened to Dele?

Last season fans were saying Porro was a waste of money but part (maybe a small part or not) is down to the way he was managed by Conte.

A lot of teams are littered with players who never lived up to their reputations including those signed by Fergie, Clough, Paisley and the like.

 

[Dwallace]

At least a wank stain would be a sign of something achieved , I think he is like the stain that never came!

We'll all drink to that although let's try to keep it to one if that's possible.

 

[Gilzeanking]

Though i think Hitchin was very poor

I'm sorry you feel that . I was born and raised in that fair Medieval town and I find this kind of criticism hard to take.

For instance, did you know that the Queen Mum's birth in 1901(ish) was registered in Hitchin ?....James Bey is a Hitchin lad and Stevie V too.

There is a beautiful Norman church in the attractive town centre where the mighty River Hiz flows majestically. Yes, it may seem like an ordinary, second rate

'poor' Hertfordshire town to a Florida based hipster, but let me tell you, in the next war you could do no better than to share your foxhole with a Hitchin man.

 

[Marty]

I’m not sure it’s a mental health thing or whether he has no hunger.

made an absolute fortune for his talent, enjoys the fruits more than football.

waste of money for us though, which is a shame as absolutely had potential to be a very top player.

The bizarre thing when it comes to mentality and so on is that we can sit on our arses and call him lazy, but in order to become the player he was at Lyon he must have worked extremely hard, been extremely dedicated, taken his chances when they were before him and showed enormous mental strength in those key moments. No young footballer that gets pro, certainly not Champions League level pro, has half arsed it.

But what's happened since and his attitude and application since signing for us is in stark contrast to how he must have been in order to become so good that we paid that much money for him.

 

[GMI]

I'm sorry you feel that . I was born and raised in that fair Medieval town and I find this kind of criticism hard to take.

For instance, did you know that the Queen Mum's birth in 1901(ish) was registered in Hitchin ?....James Bey is a Hitchin lad and Stevie V too.

There is a beautiful Norman church in the attractive town centre where the mighty River Hiz flows majestically. Yes, it may seem like an ordinary, second rate

'poor' Hertfordshire town to a Florida based hipster, but let me tell you, in the next war you could do no better than to share your foxhole with a Hitchin man.

I lived in Hitchin for a couple of years and it’s is a lovely little place. However I then had the chance to move to Sidcup and that’s just something you don’t turn down.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Can you imagine how good a motivated and fit Ndombele would be in the 6 role for us

I think the issue is that no I can't imagine that because I don't think a motivated and fit N'Dombele is even an option anymore.

I abaoluey agree with you that people should think about whether there's more going on than just laziness etc.

But whether it's mental health issues or him just being a lazy arse...either way there isn't a way back for him with Spurs now.