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how did I forget Holtby! One of my favourites!
Player Watch Player Watch: Timo Werner
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how did I forget Holtby! One of my favourites!
fishhhandaricecake
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Mcflash smashed it above mate.Freund
Klinsman
Kevin-prince Boateng
Unsure on the others
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“Klinsmann, Freund, Ziege and Holtby.”
KBP great shout but Ghanaian wasn’t he? Otherwise my statman need firing
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Was the Prince German, or did he opt to play for his parents country?Freund
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Kevin-prince Boateng
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(Of course, I could probably Google that but I'm here now!).
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Ahhh he played for Germany Youth, U19,U20 and U21 before switching to Ghana.. at least that’s what Wiki tells meMcflash smashed it above mate.
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“Klinsmann, Freund, Ziege and Holtby.”
KBP great shout but Ghanaians believe wasn’t he? Otherwise my statman need firing
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This is the other one, can’t believe no one got him 
The first ever German national to wear our shirt came before we even entered the Football League as Max Seeburg joined us from Chelsea in May, 1907. Leipzig born, and a right-midfielder by trade, he moved to London in 1886, aged two, and began his footballing journey at Chelsea, but did not make an appearance before signing for us.
Spending 17 months with us, he scored five goals in 15 games for us in our final Southern League campaign before making a single appearance in our first season in the Football League.
He departed our doors for Leyton Orient in October, 1908, and later appeared for Burnley, Grimsby Town and Reading before he found himself in an internment camp for a few weeks in 1914 – the year the Great War broke out. In August, 1928, he was enlisted into the Army to the 30th Middlesex Regiment, an Infantry Works (Alien) Battalion, transferring to Army Reserve the following June before he was granted British citizenship in January, 1920.
Max Seeburg
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Timo Werner joined a very exclusive club when he put pen to paper on loan move to north London on Tuesday (9 January).
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Max Zeeburg
1907-1908The first ever German national to wear our shirt came before we even entered the Football League as Max Seeburg joined us from Chelsea in May, 1907. Leipzig born, and a right-midfielder by trade, he moved to London in 1886, aged two, and began his footballing journey at Chelsea, but did not make an appearance before signing for us.
Spending 17 months with us, he scored five goals in 15 games for us in our final Southern League campaign before making a single appearance in our first season in the Football League.
He departed our doors for Leyton Orient in October, 1908, and later appeared for Burnley, Grimsby Town and Reading before he found himself in an internment camp for a few weeks in 1914 – the year the Great War broke out. In August, 1928, he was enlisted into the Army to the 30th Middlesex Regiment, an Infantry Works (Alien) Battalion, transferring to Army Reserve the following June before he was granted British citizenship in January, 1920.
Max Seeburg
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Yeah, his brother (I think) Jerome opted to play for Germany but Kev went for Ghana.Ahhh he played for Germany Youth, U19,U20 and U21 before switching to Ghana.. at least that’s what Wiki tells me
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I mean, it's hardly an attractive look!This is the other one, can’t believe no one got him
Our German Spurs | Tottenham Hotspur
Timo Werner joined a very exclusive club when he put pen to paper on loan move to north London on Tuesday (9 January).www.tottenhamhotspur.comMax Zeeburg
1907-1908
The first ever German national to wear our shirt came before we even entered the Football League as Max Seeburg joined us from Chelsea in May, 1907. Leipzig born, and a right-midfielder by trade, he moved to London in 1886, aged two, and began his footballing journey at Chelsea, but did not make an appearance before signing for us.
Spending 17 months with us, he scored five goals in 15 games for us in our final Southern League campaign before making a single appearance in our first season in the Football League.
He departed our doors for Leyton Orient in October, 1908, and later appeared for Burnley, Grimsby Town and Reading before he found himself in an internment camp for a few weeks in 1914 – the year the Great War broke out. In August, 1928, he was enlisted into the Army to the 30th Middlesex Regiment, an Infantry Works (Alien) Battalion, transferring to Army Reserve the following June before he was granted British citizenship in January, 1920.
Max Seeburg
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To be honest, if Timo is anything like his former countrymen, he's set for cult status at the very least.
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KPB is a good shout but even though he was born in Germany and his brother played for Germany, he played for Ghana. I’m guessing that isn’t the other nameFreund
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Mf is 90% legs. I bet he was rapid!
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Says it all really. His time at Chelsea wasn’t great (although far from bad), he went back to Leipzig under one coach and then the new coach completely changed things. We’ve seen it happen here too, players that worked for conte don’t fit for Ange. The fact Ange is excited about it is good for me and I think he’ll be a huge success and will be here beyond this season.
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Ange is like an Aussie Harry Redknapp but with the balls of Martin Jol and the tactics of Pep
everything he says makes so much sense.Can we clone him so someone like him is always our manager it’s just so so refreshing to read simple smart stuff like this, no fluff, no bs, no games, no over complication just simple and smart thinking.
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Spot on mate. It would be like Ange signing Bissouma from Conte if he was at Inter Milan etc, same quotes would apply and Bissouma would look class under Ange whereas he wasn’t getting played or played in a at that suited him under Conte.
It’s why things should always be taken in their present context. Past can be an indicator of things but things also constantly change.
Timo should suit Ange's style of football perfectly and he’s also super motivated to do well to get into the German squad for euros. Win win.
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Tottenham what now?
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We bought KP Boateng as a German, he made the switch later. More than 16 years ago, woah.
KPB is a good shout but even though he was born in Germany and his brother played for Germany, he played for Ghana. I’m guessing that isn’t the other
He played for Ghana his other national team but he's still German (as far as I am aware unless he gave up his citizenship which is unlikely).
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I have Klinsman/Freund/Holby/Ziege
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Has it occurred to anyone that Timo Werner won't get caught offside so much because our midfielders will be quicker in the pass than his old Chelsea colleagues? The assumption seems to be that he was always the main culprit but maybe not.
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I was sceptical at first, but I really think this is going to be the move that brings back the best in him.
I remember our playing against Timo with Chelsea and he kept getting in behind us, I was terrified. But then he kept missing as well, so I just had to train myself not to worry about him as he would miss. But it was hard because he kept getting himself into amazing positions.
But the more I think about this the more I think this is a genius move on our part.
Werner has always hit his XG almost on the nail throughout his career, except when at Chelsea. It was a big money move, he was expected to be a finishing machine and the pressure, combined with bad luck and he quickly became the butt of finishing jokes.
The thing is, he is just not a particularly talented finisher, he is an average finisher, but because he has exceptional speed and movement he gets himself into a lot of goal scoring positions. The problem with Chelsea was that he was expected to be the world class finisher, all the pressure to score was on him, and the moment it started going wrong that pressure and the taunts increased. If all the pressure in the world is resting on your weakness, you are in trouble
Back at Leipzig, he improved, but then got injured and then got ousted as the team no longer plays in a way which suits his skill set.
But Ange and Spurs is actually tailor made for him.
Firstly and most importantly, he is not here to be something he is not, a class finisher. He is here specifically for his speed and movement and what that will achieve for the team. He is back to being a cog in a bigger machine, with less pressure on him individually and on his weaker points. He hasn't had that since pre-Chelsea Leipzig under Nagelsmann, and his numbers there were outstanding.
Secondly, the whole environment around the club under Ange is going to suit him perfectly. He is obviously a really nice guy, very much a team player and not at all suited to the type of club Chelsea were. There are no assholes in this team, no prima donnas - he is going to love it here and feel safe.
Finally, the whole culture of Ange's approach to management is to take away blame and pressure. It's the complete opposite of Conte or Mourinho where the whole approach was to avoid individual mistakes. You could feel it when Jose spoke about a game, you just wouldn't want to be the player to make a mistake, and that pressure just ensured some poor sod would.
Ange plays high risk football and makes it clear that mistakes are on him. And you can see how that single change has transformed these players and given them real freedom to play. That is just perfect for Werner. He is here to apply his strengths to the team in a safe environment where there is no pressure to be a better finisher than he is. He will create plenty of goal opportunities for others through his movement, he will clock up assists, and he will score and miss plenty of goals.
It could actually be a sensational signing, and other clubs will be wondering why the hell they didn't think of it.
I remember our playing against Timo with Chelsea and he kept getting in behind us, I was terrified. But then he kept missing as well, so I just had to train myself not to worry about him as he would miss. But it was hard because he kept getting himself into amazing positions.
But the more I think about this the more I think this is a genius move on our part.
Werner has always hit his XG almost on the nail throughout his career, except when at Chelsea. It was a big money move, he was expected to be a finishing machine and the pressure, combined with bad luck and he quickly became the butt of finishing jokes.
The thing is, he is just not a particularly talented finisher, he is an average finisher, but because he has exceptional speed and movement he gets himself into a lot of goal scoring positions. The problem with Chelsea was that he was expected to be the world class finisher, all the pressure to score was on him, and the moment it started going wrong that pressure and the taunts increased. If all the pressure in the world is resting on your weakness, you are in trouble
Back at Leipzig, he improved, but then got injured and then got ousted as the team no longer plays in a way which suits his skill set.
But Ange and Spurs is actually tailor made for him.
Firstly and most importantly, he is not here to be something he is not, a class finisher. He is here specifically for his speed and movement and what that will achieve for the team. He is back to being a cog in a bigger machine, with less pressure on him individually and on his weaker points. He hasn't had that since pre-Chelsea Leipzig under Nagelsmann, and his numbers there were outstanding.
Secondly, the whole environment around the club under Ange is going to suit him perfectly. He is obviously a really nice guy, very much a team player and not at all suited to the type of club Chelsea were. There are no assholes in this team, no prima donnas - he is going to love it here and feel safe.
Finally, the whole culture of Ange's approach to management is to take away blame and pressure. It's the complete opposite of Conte or Mourinho where the whole approach was to avoid individual mistakes. You could feel it when Jose spoke about a game, you just wouldn't want to be the player to make a mistake, and that pressure just ensured some poor sod would.
Ange plays high risk football and makes it clear that mistakes are on him. And you can see how that single change has transformed these players and given them real freedom to play. That is just perfect for Werner. He is here to apply his strengths to the team in a safe environment where there is no pressure to be a better finisher than he is. He will create plenty of goal opportunities for others through his movement, he will clock up assists, and he will score and miss plenty of goals.
It could actually be a sensational signing, and other clubs will be wondering why the hell they didn't think of it.
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