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Ghost Hardware

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I would keep one of Werner/Gil/Soloman to leave space for one more key attacker to be signed and I think we're set up top. Aside from maybe one more 10 central. So far Werner is in the lead between the 3. Soloman has to have a run of fitness and do enough to change that. Gil needs a miracle.
Personally today again reaffirmed my previous feelings that we shouldn’t retain Werner. Not because he was bad or did anything wrong, more that with his skill set he was never really going to do much against a low block. His forte is very much fast countering when there is space ahead of him. He excells in open games not when there is little to no space for him to operate in.

When looking at our current WF options probably the only one who might be useful in situations like the one we faced today is Solomon and he has been out almost the whole season. Personally i think we need to be going into next season with two players, one on each wing, that are capable of putting defenders on the back foot even if they are set. They don’t need to both be starters but we need to have at least two options in that mould. The big question is if Solomon can get and stay fit. If he can then great, we only need one WF but if he can’t be relied upon then we need two IMO.

Werner, as I said in a earlier post, looks a very solid squad player who would be useful. I still think he has room to grow in this system and maybe he explodes in the last few games. But even so I just don’t think he is a profile that we are lacking or particularly need.
 
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fishhhandaricecake

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Personally today again reaffirmed my previous feelings that we shouldn’t retain Werner. Not because he was bad or did anything wrong, more that with his skill set he was never really going to do much against a low block. His forte is very much fast countering when there is space ahead of him. He excells in open games not when there is little to now space for him to operate in.

When looking at our current WF options probably the only one who might be useful in situations like the one we faced today is Solomon and he has been out almost the whole season. Personally i think we need to be going into next season with two players, one on each wing, that are capable of putting defenders on the back foot even if they are set. They don’t need to both be starters but we need to have at least two options in that mould. The big question is if Solomon can get and stay fit. If he can then great, we only need one WF but if he can’t be relied upon then we need two IMO.

Werner, as I said in an earlier post, looks a very solid squad player who would be useful. I still think think he has room to grow in this system and maybe he explodes in the last few games. But even so I just don’t think he is a profile that we are lacking or particularly need.
1,000% this. Great analysis.
 

mil1lion

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Personally today again reaffirmed my previous feelings that we shouldn’t retain Werner. Not because he was bad or did anything wrong, more that with his skill set he was never really going to do much against a low block. His forte is very much fast countering when there is space ahead of him. He excells in open games not when there is little to now space for him to operate in.

When looking at our current WF options probably the only one who might be useful in situations like the one we faced today is Solomon and he has been out almost the whole season. Personally i think we need to be going into next season with two players, one on each wing, that are capable of putting defenders on the back foot even if they are set. They don’t need to both be starters but we need to have at least two options in that mould. The big question is if Solomon can get and stay fit. If he can then great, we only need one WF but if he can’t be relied upon then we need two IMO.

Werner, as I said in a earlier post, looks a very solid squad player who would be useful. I still think think he has room to grow in this system and maybe he explodes in the last few games. But even so I just don’t think he is a profile that we are lacking or particularly need.
Still early with Werner though and even with the low block there were opportunities to release him. Kulusevski had 2 chances and both times put a poor ball forward and not behind for him to run onto. It wasn't as low block as you make out. There were chances for him and probably should have come on the left as well where he could run at them. I actually think he has exactly the style we needed for this game but we didn't use it enough. Soloman is just going to come inside where the congestion is. I still would be interested to see Werner on the right playing outside on his stronger foot. We need a pacey wide player like him who plays on the outside. Johnson looks hesitant to take players on, Kulusevski rarely goes outside and doesn't have the pace, Soloman is best on the left coming infield. I felt the idea bringing Johnson and Werner on was right, exactly what we needed in the game. It's just Werner was central initially and Johnson is still too raw and unsure of himself at this time.

We have to allow room for growth not keeping adding more players because we don't have patience to let some of them grow.
 

DannyNZ

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Might be a contrarian view but I thought he did well when he came on today and in his short cameo looked more effective than Son or Richy had.
 

dontcallme

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I like him but I'm still on the fence a bit.

When looking at it positively I see a player with some quality, a point to prove and is available for a fair price.

But the negative voice in me says he's another good player to add to our options but not special.

Going into next season our attacking options for the front 3 positions are currently Son, Richarlison, Johnson, Kulusevski, Johnson, Veliz and Solomon.

Part of me thinks if we are to add another attacker it needs to be someone who is something special. Not sure Werner is it unless we are planning to sell one or two of the above and we buy Werner plus one more.
 

SpursForever71

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yea for me Werner isnt the player he was back when he played for RBL the 1st time, his move to Chelsea was a disaster and lost confidence, went back to RBL and didnt work out there either.
He isnt at the level we need i think, and there are probably better options out there in the summer for a perm transfer
 

mill

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I’m far from convinced yet was excited when we signed him, it’s good to have the benefit of the rest of the season before we have to make a decision on him
 

VoteMe4Prez

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Might be a contrarian view but I thought he did well when he came on today and in his short cameo looked more effective than Son or Richy had.
Was at the game and respectfully disagree. Not willing to take on his man and put quality delivery in.
 

allatsea

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Does he know where the opposition goal is ? Such a limited player. He is at his best when he runs onto the ball in space but struggles after that.
 

bubble07

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Son, Richarlison, Johnson, Kulusevski, Gill, Wener and Solomon

For the first time we have good depth in the forward areas but lack quality

Think we need to get rid of werner Gill and Solomon and sign Neto

Genuinely don't think we need any more signings unless De Jong becomes available and he wants to join and there's another udogie somewhere
 

N'Obody

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I think Timo is doing fine. But that's a about it.

We most likely will take up the option, that way we have him and Johnson for each side with similar profiles. Gil and Solomon may be sold, then we need to sign one or 2 tricky wingers to add balance to our options.

2 pacy direct runners and 2 tricky wingers. Even if we can afford one elite talent like Neto, and a younger option with potential in a simialr mould. I'd be fine with that if it can be done.
 

faze_coys

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It would be a really poor permanent signing considering the profile of our current options, driven by getting a bargain.

But what is a bargain when it means £15m less we could spend on a winger who gives us more variety and individual threat.
 

dontcallme

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It would be a really poor permanent signing considering the profile of our current options, driven by getting a bargain.

But what is a bargain when it means £15m less we could spend on a winger who gives us more variety and individual threat.
I’m hoping our decision to sign him was always based on how well he did in his loan spell.

I haven’t given up hope on him but he hasn’t performed to that higher level that makes him a signing we must make.

My guess is he’ll fit the gap for this half season but we probably won’t take up the option to buy.
 

RuskyM

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Early days but I'd be very surprised if we don't sign him up.
I still believe this, but with the caveat that there's no way we go into next season with Son, Johnson, Bryan, Solomon, Timo and Deki as our WF options when only one of them's a consistent goal threat. Especially if we don't consider a CF a priority and we're happy with Richy doing the hard yards up top.
 

allatsea

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It would be a really poor permanent signing considering the profile of our current options, driven by getting a bargain.

But what is a bargain when it means £15m less we could spend on a winger who gives us more variety and individual threat.
Agree but not sure Neto is the answer. He seems on Saturdays display to have as much clue as Werner as to where the goal is.
 

mil1lion

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We do need goals from wide attack though. We have plenty of players who will make things happen and Werner falls into the same category. The only reason Son has moved to the left has been because he is our only wide scorer and Richarlison started scoring. I'm happy to see how younger players like Kulusevski and Johnson develop but we need someone who is sure to score goals. We've sold Kane and lost 30 goals without filling them between attackers. Neto isn't going to score goals, he's another assist player and a bit flavour of the month based on this season. Either keep Son left and sign a 20 goal centre forward or find another Son for out wide and move Son up top.
 
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