Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[Moonie]

http://www.skysports.com/share/11395730

 

[bigfrooj]

As always players only leave Spurs on Daniel Levys terms. Manchester United have obviously made a good offer to Toby but we've walked away until they come up with what we want - that probably involves Martial and possibly Eric Bailly or Luke Shaw. This is fascinating. Over to you Mr Woodward.

 

[SpartanSpur]

As always players only leave Spurs on Daniel Levys terms. Manchester United have obviously made a good offer to Toby but we've walked away until they come up with what we want - that probably involves Martial and possibly Eric Bailly or Luke Shaw. This is fascinating. Over to you Mr Woodward.

Seems pretty clear to me that Martial is finished at Utd, if this is indeed what is holding the deal up then fair play to Levy. They may not want to lose him to a PL rival but if they want to sign a top proven CB from us they have to either clearly overpay or compromise on the part-exchange.

I fear they'll end up taking the overpayment route in the end, but really when taking a step back there should only be one winner in a Levy-Woodward negotiation.

 

[hellava_tough]

(i) Get de Ligt in

(ii) Negotiate with Man Utd until August

(iii) Sell Toby to PSG for £20m on transfer deadline-day

 

[hellava_tough]

Seems pretty clear to me that Martial is finished at Utd, if this is indeed what is holding the deal up then fair play to Levy. They may not want to lose him to a PL rival but if they want to sign a top proven CB from us they have to either clearly overpay or compromise on the part-exchange.

I fear they'll end up taking the overpayment route in the end, but really when taking a step back there should only be one winner in a Levy-Woodward negotiation.

As Spurs become more successful, our position in negotiations becomes stronger

Which means Levy goes into beast-mode

 

[dtxspurs]

I'm so torn on this as I think our best chance to win trophies includes Toby in the team as I think he is probably a fringe top 5 CB in the world, I honestly think he's that damn good. But if we're able to get De Ligt, him and Sanchez could form the next great CB duo in the world and we could have a Vidic and Ferdinand like building block for the next 10 years...

 

[Ghost Hardware]

I'm so torn on this as I think our best chance to win trophies includes Toby in the team as I think he is probably a fringe top 5 CB in the world, I honestly think he's that damn good. But if we're able to get De Ligt, him and Sanchez could form the next great CB duo in the world and we could have a Vidic and Ferdinand like building block for the next 10 years...

Agree, it’s a bit of a catch 22 as it does seem De Ligt will be on the move this summer and no way we get him and keep Toby. So, if we want to get De Ligt then it’s now or never really. Obviously we may miss out on De Ligt regardless and that would somewhat put the cat amongst the pigions if we have already forced Toby out. Beyond that, I think a lot comes down to who else we bring in, if we are looking at players who are around the age of 24 and already established then I think we should stick with Toby as we could quite realistically win something in the next 1/2 years. Assuming they are of the required ability. But if we are looking at the likes of Pulisic and Ndombele then I think we need to accept we are still looking to build for the future rather then the now and selling Toby for De Ligt makes sense. Only issues with the second scenario is that we would, probably, be less likely to win anything soon so how long would the likes of Eriksen and Kane stick around for is anyone’s guess.

 

[dtxspurs]

Agree, it’s a bit of a catch 22 as it does seem De Ligt will be on the move this summer and no way we get him and keep Toby. So, if we want to get De Ligt then it’s now or never really. Obviously we may miss out on De Ligt regardless and that would somewhat put the cat amongst the pigions if we have already forced Toby out. Beyond that, I think a lot comes down to who else we bring in, if we are looking at players who are around the age of 24 and already established then I think we should stick with Toby as we could quite realistically win something in the next 1/2 years. Assuming they are of the required ability. But if we are looking at the likes of Pulisic and Ndombele then I think we need to except we are still looking to build for the future rather then the now and selling Toby for De Ligt makes sense. Only issues with the second scenario is that we would, probably, be less likely to win anything soon so how long would the likes of Eriksen and Kane stick around for.

Yep, really is a crappy situation. I do think Kane and Eriksen would be impressed by adding de Ligt and Martial. Those are two of the biggest prospect in world football. Those two would just make us so much better in the long term, tough to turn down...

 

[SpartanSpur]

Yep, really is a crappy situation. I do think Kane and Eriksen would be impressed by adding de Ligt and Martial. Those are two of the biggest prospect in world football. Those two would just make us so much better in the long term, tough to turn down...

Buying some less established names but super prospects worked pretty well for City to be fair, and De Ligt seems to be wise beyond his years anyway (Ajax and Dutch captaincies already as a teenager).

Can see the argument for keeping Toby for stability, to retain experience and provide ready made quality but whether he'd be the difference between trophies or not I'm not so sure anymore.

We have the likes of Lloris, Vertonghen, Dier, Eriksen, Dele and Kane through the spine that take on a lot of responsibility now (Eriksen and Dele recently seem to be stepping up in this respect). I think that core is growing in quality determination and experience year on year which can be easy to forget.

I'm gonna back the club if they decide to move on.

 

[Ghost Hardware]

Yep, really is a crappy situation. I do think Kane and Eriksen would be impressed by adding de Ligt and Martial. Those are two of the biggest prospect in world football. Those two would just make us so much better in the long term, tough to turn down...

I do think another factor is Toby being out for most of last season. I think some people have forgotten not just how good a defender he is, but how hugely important he was for our attacking play. It’s easier to come to terms with loosing him now as he was a ghost for most of last season and how well Sanchez fitted in. But when Toby is fit and well he is one of the best defenders in the world and Toby and Jan the best CB partnership in the league. Obviously the flip side to that is if he now turns into Kompany mk2, in which case we need to get shot of him ASAP.

If we ended the window with the De Ligt, Martial and Kovacic I would be ecstatic regardless of loosing Toby. But that would mostly be down to brining in Kovacic whilst the other two make a lot of sense. Still, if we want to win a trophy in the next two years, I would rather have (a fit) Toby then De Ligt. There is no right answer to this question I feel and it really relates to our other transfer business both in terms of targets and financials.

 

[SpartanSpur]

I do think another factor is Toby being out for most of last season. I think some people have forgotten not just how good a defender he is, but how hugely important he was for our attacking play. It’s easier to come to terms with loosing him now as he was a ghost for most of last season and how well Sanchez fitted in. But when Toby is fit and well he is one of the best defenders in the world and Toby and Jan the best CB partnership in the league. Obviously the flip side to that is if he now turns into Kompany mk2, in which case we need to get shot of him ASAP.

If we ended the window with the De Ligt, Martial and Kovacic I would be ecstatic regardless of loosing Toby. But that would mostly be down to brining in Kovacic whilst the other two make a lot of sense. Still, if we want to win a trophy in the next two years, I would rather have (a fit) Toby then De Ligt. There is no right answer to this question I feel and it really relates to our other transfer business both in terms of targets and financials.

Spot on here. I think we'll make a big push for Martial and De Ligt this week (former seemingly confirmed by the Mail) and if we can get both Toby is gone.

The thing that really clouds all of this is how much Toby not being reintegrated was a result of the contract dispute. Which none of us know. If it was also because he was struggling to reach peak fitness post-injury, Poch had lost faith in him and they were also very happy with Sanchez, then it might be a moot point regardless. He certainly looked off the pace and rusty in many of his late season appearances, albeit showing his superior quality on the ball. If they were just excuses then keeping him is a no brainer if all parties can forgive and forget.

 

[Davo99]

Haven’t Barcelona just sold Mascherano? Did they get someone in? Or is Mina considered first team already?

 

[dtxspurs]

Haven’t Barcelona just sold Mascherano? Did they get someone in? Or is Mina considered first team already?

Pique and Umtiti are establish in the first team so I struggle to see Toby going there. To me seems like Toby thought he was going to have tons of suitors, they aren't out there and he wants to get his nice contract back here. PSG have to worry about FFP, we're playing hardball with United over Martial, City don't need him, we won't sell to Chelsea, Barca, and Real, Juve, & Bayern don't need him.

 

[Clark28]

If de Ligt coming in depends on Toby going, then I would sell.

Davinson will continue to improve as our starting RCB, this time next year who knows how good he could be with another PL season under his belt.

If Toby stays and we play 4@tb then Sanchez's development suffers.

de Ligt will be the perfect SuperJan replacement when that time comes.

this is without taking Toby's recent fitness record into account, and him screwing Poch over.

 

[$hoguN]

2 years ago we would have been mad to sell Toby for De Ligt. However in those last two years Toby has struggled for fitness and at points last seas looked like a player on the down slope of his career. Whereas De Ligt is clearly rapidly improving. Seems like a great hedge bet me, particularly if we can get a Levy special on Toby’s price

 

[Colonel Dax]

I realise it's unlikely but I still want Toby to stay. The less squad tinkering we have to do this summer the better. We’re a top quality CM and possibly another forward option away from having a brilliant, well rounded squad (admittedly full backs could do with some tweaking but that can wait).

 

[sparx100]

Interesting comments from Herc earlier about Toby and an interesting interview with him which is open to interpretation.

Very much hinges on De-Ligt progress imo. Sign him and Toby is gone, but if that goes south then Toby may carry on with us....

For me i would keep Toby....

 

[robertgoulet]

I'm so torn on this as I think our best chance to win trophies includes Toby in the team as I think he is probably a fringe top 5 CB in the world, I honestly think he's that damn good. But if we're able to get De Ligt, him and Sanchez could form the next great CB duo in the world and we could have a Vidic and Ferdinand like building block for the next 10 years...

Good post. This is where I'm at with it, as well. Nuts on the line though, I'm moving for de Ligt now and letting Toby kick rocks.

 

[dtxspurs]

How much time do we realistically think Toby has left at the top level? 3 years?

 

[Hengy1]

How much time do we realistically think Toby has left at the top level? 3?

3 to 5 years depending on injury