Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[fortworthspur]

If we get 60 million for Toby we should be over the moon. Toby was never going to play for us again - selling him now for a tidy profit because Utd are desperate is a good move.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

Mad if you're obsessed like us, on forums and twitter etc. If you supported another club or just turned up on opening day, its quiet and boring as could be.

I don't think it's obsession, I think it's being aware of the short, medium and long term interests of your biggest non family or career related hobby.

I love Spurs, they give me a release from life but I also regard myself as a person who is protective of them as they are as much my club as they are any fan, I as you take a keener interest in them as a footballing entity than just turning up to watch the sport as a spectacle.

I want us to be a great football team and I am very aware of the needs and musts for us to get there. Being as interested in the nitty gritty as people on forums are opens up a whole new level of interest in your team, it's not something I regard as an obsession, more a passion for something you care about and the ability to let I your brain and business acumen develop because of it. I'm learning a lot through supporting Spurs both as a fan and a person understanding the rights and wrongs of business

 

[Ben1]

I don't think it's obsession, I think it's being aware of the short, medium and long term interests of your biggest non family or career related hobby.

I love Spurs, they give me a release from life but I also regard myself as a person who is protective of them as they are as much my club as they are any fan, I as you take a keener interest in them as a footballing entity than just turning up to watch the sport as a spectacle.

I want us to be a great football team and I am very aware of the needs and musts for us to get there. Being as interested in the nitty gritty as people on forums are opens up a whole new level of interest in your team, it's not something I regard as an obsession, more a passion

It wasn't an insult at all, read far too much into the wording. I merely meant its different who you are. My brother will turn up at the game, loves it, goes everywhere...but doesn't follow all this stuff and to him, absolutely nothing has happened.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

It wasn't an insult at all, read far too much into the wording. I merely meant its different who you are. My brother will turn up at the game, loves it, goes everywhere...but doesn't follow all this stuff and to him, absolutely nothing has happened.

Haha na I didn't read into the wording wrong, I know what you meant now on worries, I just think that there are fans that go to the games love it and do love it more when beautiful football and success is gained and played, and that there are fans who dig a little deeper as to how that's achieved and the repercussions certain moments and choices made have over the years.

I definitely didn't see it as an insult, I just saw it as one supporter saying something to another supporter where both care about the goings on off the pitch that help deliver success off of it. No worries dude it's all good

 

[hellava_tough]

This may have been discussed before and there might be an obvious reason for it, but I'm surprised City haven't out-bid Utd for his signature

Toby would be a definite upgrade for their defence

 

[Ben1]

This may have been discussed before and there might be an obvious reason for it, but I'm surprised City haven't out-bid Utd for his signature

Toby would be a definite upgrade for their defence

I think the club maybe expected a bit more genuine interest.

 

[hughy]

This may have been discussed before and there might be an obvious reason for it, but I'm surprised City haven't out-bid Utd for his signature

Toby would be a definite upgrade for their defence

I don't know what they've played in pre-season but with Otamendi, Kompany and Laporte they have a lot of quality at CB. Add Stones and Walker if needed and I'd say they're pretty well stacked.

 

[Metalhead]

If we get 60 million for Toby we should be over the moon. Toby was never going to play for us again - selling him now for a tidy profit because Utd are desperate is a good move.

If we as fans see 60 million reinvested in the team where it is needed then we should be over the moon. Our job as fans isn't simply to be over the moon that we received 60 million.

 

[nicdic]

Man Utd, like Liverpool before them, have unlocked the riddle to dealing in this window. Pay the inflated price for your top target.

Bet their fans are gutted to be fair (sarcasm)

I am part of the group that reluctantly accepts the sale if it's at £60m though. Although backing off from Martial and Zaha to possibly Rebic is not the best development.

Liverpool are the only team that really unlocked the riddle this summer, which is pay massive prices and massive wages to get the job done.

United by all accounts are still haggling everywhere they can. So are we.

Of course the Liverpool fans aren't gutted, and why should they be?! But it's not just about appeasing fans. Liverpool have far more money to play with than us, and can pull players in a way we can't, so it's much much easier to push deals over the line.

Despite finishing above them for however many seasons, we're still not seen in the same bracket. And so it's just not that simple.

Well that is not relavent in this discussion its just a way for you to score some cheap points. We were talking about what a fully fit Alderweireld contribute to our team not the recently injured version with no match fitness that played those cup games.

Of course it's relevant to the discussion. The guy got a hamstring injury in October, and hasn't recovered since. He's suffered a recurrence of it once, and despite being in full training for nigh on 6 months now, he's looked no better than sluggish in every appearance since. Fully fit and firing the guy is up there with the best. But he hasn't been fit for 9 months now.

 

[felmani26]

If we get 60 million for Toby we should be over the moon. Toby was never going to play for us again - selling him now for a tidy profit because Utd are desperate is a good move.

I'm not sure i'd use the phrase 'over the moon' at actively strengthening a direct rival regardless of the politics at the club.

Yes it goes without saying if we obtain Martial as a contingent on this deal then the same logic applies from Utd's point of view but make no mistake, Utd will be getting a top player at a position of need - especially if Jose looks to adopt a 3 at the back approach.

 

[Saoirse]

Liverpool are the only team that really unlocked the riddle this summer, which is pay massive prices and massive wages to get the job done.

United by all accounts are still haggling everywhere they can. So are we.

Of course the Liverpool fans aren't gutted, and why should they be?! But it's not just about appeasing fans. Liverpool have far more money to play with than us, and can pull players in a way we can't, so it's much much easier to push deals over the line.

Despite finishing above them for however many seasons, we're still not seen in the same bracket. And so it's just not that simple.


Of course it's relevant to the discussion. The guy got a hamstring injury in October, and hasn't recovered since. He's suffered a recurrence of it once, and despite being in full training for nigh on 6 months now, he's looked no better than sluggish in every appearance since. Fully fit and firing the guy is up there with the best. But he hasn't been fit for 9 months now.

I'd also say Liverpool seem to be taking a fairly serious risk. Their wages were already at 57% of turnover which is at the high end of acceptable in 16-17 when they weren't in the Champions League. If they were to miss out on the top 4 now that percentage is going to be far higher and it's not going to be a happy-looking balance sheet.

 

[BehindEnemyLines]

I'm not sure i'd use the phrase 'over the moon' at actively strengthening a direct rival regardless of the politics at the club.

Yes it goes without saying if we obtain Martial as a contingent on this deal then the same logic applies from Utd's point of view but make no mistake, Utd will be getting a top player at a position of need - especially if Jose looks to adopt a 3 at the back approach.

Whilst I agree, I am hoping that he'll destabilise their squad with whatever issues he takes with him.......it appears, by most accounts, that he's somewhat of a minge waffle

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

If we as fans see 60 million reinvested in the team where it is needed then we should be over the moon. Our job as fans isn't simply to be over the moon that we received 60 million.

Just move Toby on, swap him for Martial, get Grealish in and sod GKN, Janssen, Dembele & Llorente off to whoever bids the highest with over 3 weeks left before the rest of Europes arseholes start flapping and if you're lucky shift Sissoko off as well.

Toby + £20m for Martial
Grealish for £30m

Flog Janssen, GKN, Dembele & Llorente for what £25m at a bare minimum let's say and get a decent CM like Brozovic in for £40m

£65m spent with enough time to hope we can move someone like Sissoko on. Net spend £65m tops, 3 decent first team squad options join and we bite the bullet on a little loss on a few fringe players because of the transfer window regulations for this one window which has occurred.

We get the players we need, we shift the players required onto teams like Torino, Celta Vigo or Toronto FC and we ensure squad stability for a few seasons yet. I can't see why it's so hard unless we are asking far too much for outgoings or are lowballing or making excuses for incomings.

Stump up the cash, we won't need to sign as many crucial players this time next year or probably the summer after as well. Just bite the bullet or leave your knickers around your ankles Levy

 

[sausage]

Liverpool are the only team that really unlocked the riddle this summer, which is pay massive prices and massive wages to get the job done.

I'm not sure that's the full story of their tactics.

I imagine they have decided to buy first, sell later - and their over-paying agents/fees etc. is simply adding to that deficit.


It's a scenario that gains weight from the fact that they are quoting ridiculous fees for the chaff they want rid of (Origi, Ings etc.). If they can't clear the balance, they'll be in a load of brown stuff again (hicks/gilette)

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Just fuck Toby off, swap him for Martial, get Grealish in and sod GKN, Janssen, Dembele & Llorente off to whoever bids the highest with over 3 weeks left before the rest of Europes arseholes start flapping and if you're lucky shift Sissoko off as well.

Toby + £20m for Martial
Grealish for £30m

Flog Janssen, GKN, Dembele & Llorente for what £25m at a bare minimum let's say and get a decent CM like Brozovic in for £40m

£65m spent with enough time to hope we can move someone like Sissoko on. Net spend £65m tops, 3 decent first team squad options join and we bite the bullet on a little loss on a few fringe players because of the transfer window regulations for this one window which has occurred.

We get the players we need, we shift the players required onto teams like Torino, Celta Vigo or Toronto FC and we ensure squad stability for a few seasons yet. I can't see why it's so hard unless we are asking far too much for outgoings or are lowballing or making excuses for incomings.

Stump up the cash, we won't need to sign as many crucial players this time next year or probably the summer after as well. Just bite the bullet or leave your knickers around your ankles Levy

Easy.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Just fuck Toby off, swap him for Martial, get Grealish in and sod GKN, Janssen, Dembele & Llorente off to whoever bids the highest with over 3 weeks left before the rest of Europes arseholes start flapping and if you're lucky shift Sissoko off as well.

Toby + £20m for Martial
Grealish for £30m

Flog Janssen, GKN, Dembele & Llorente for what £25m at a bare minimum let's say and get a decent CM like Brozovic in for £40m

£65m spent with enough time to hope we can move someone like Sissoko on. Net spend £65m tops, 3 decent first team squad options join and we bite the bullet on a little loss on a few fringe players because of the transfer window regulations for this one window which has occurred.

We get the players we need, we shift the players required onto teams like Torino, Celta Vigo or Toronto FC and we ensure squad stability for a few seasons yet. I can't see why it's so hard unless we are asking far too much for outgoings or are lowballing or making excuses for incomings.

Stump up the cash, we won't need to sign as many crucial players this time next year or probably the summer after as well. Just bite the bullet or leave your knickers around your ankles Levy

It isn’t as simple as that though. The players we choose to shift will have to be unregistered. That puts us in an absolutely dreadful bargaining position as a seller. We’d be taking a huge hit on all of the players we left out of our squad. Hopefully we bite the bullet and do just that, but it isn’t as simple a decision as a lot seem to think. We’re talking millions of pounds.

 

[Lighty64]

No. But make no mistake about it. In Levy's eyes, its all about the money. If it werent, he would sell abroad for less. Instead, he sells Walker and Toby to rivals and strengthens them. We thought we've progressed past it but it is quite clear that we are still in the buy low/sell high no matter to who business.

trouble is sometimes when you have talented players or with strengths only the big boys from Europe are interested. if they aren't and they want to move, you have to sign to the highest bidder. we are not big enough in financial terms to be throwing millions down the drain. most probably won't ever go down that route while ENIC are in charge.

when it comes to other squad players you can't force them to sign for anyone they don't want to play for. it looks like our mistakes were made well before we knew Walker, Rose would want out, well before we voted for an early close, to then find out our PL chairman wouldn't do it to match Europe, and most probably before HG quotas where going up from 8 to 10.

at the moment the only thing I believe we are ahead of other teams is when the TV deal does crash, we will be the best placed team to cope with it

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It isn’t as simple as that though. The players we choose to shift will have to be unregistered. That puts us in an absolutely dreadful bargaining position as a seller. We’d be taking a huge hit on all of the players we left out of our squad. Hopefully we bite the bullet and do just that, but it isn’t as simple a decision as a lot seem to think. We’re talking millions of pounds.

You’re right, it’s not an easy decision. The amount of people on here who want us to over pay for players and sell our dead wood on the cheap makes me realise there are certainly not many successful business minds amongst us...

 

[Metalhead]

You’re right, it’s not an easy decision. The amount of people on here who want us to over pay for players and sell our dead wood on the cheap makes me realise there are certainly not many successful business minds amongst us...

We're still paying the wages of the dead wood though.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

We're still paying the wages of the dead wood though.

And? Do you expect us to just give them away?