Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[buckley]

This idea that you must not sell to your direct opponents is to me nonsense ;I say sell to the highest bidder this allows you to get better replacements.I you rule out Unt and City as they are the probable high transfer fee payers .Who then do you sell to because you are not going to get big bucks from any other club in England except Chelsea who are ruled out for obvious reasons and as for selling abroad only PSG would pay the kind of money that we require .I say we can and will do without the big bollock players and will get good replacement players.Take note of Klopp he does not discrimiminate who he sells to because he has confidence in his own ability to succeed without want away players such as sterling and Courtino.

 

[Ben1]

This idea that you must not sell to your direct opponents is to me nonsense ;I say sell to the highest bidder this allows you to get better replacements.I you rule out Unt and City as they are the probable high transfer fee payers .Who then do you sell to because you are not going to get big bucks from any other club in England except Chelsea who are ruled out for obvious reasons and as for selling abroad only PSG would pay the kind of money that we require .I say we can and will do without the big bollock players and will get good replacement players.Take note of Klopp he does not discrimiminate who he sells to because he has confidence in his own ability to succeed without want away players such as sterling and Courtino.

as ive said previously, we want to compete in the league, that is our aim. Therefore, the strength of other teams squads is almost as important as our own.

And a sidenote: Klopp isn't some great messiah, Sterling was gone months before he arrived and Coutinho was always off to Barca. In fact, another related point is that Klopp's Dortmund used to be competitive before they lost a series of players to their rivals.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

At what point does 'interest' become 'tapping up' out of interest because dealings around this Toby transfer sound more than a little murky.

 

[WiganSpur]

He should not be sold domestically. The only exception being getting Martial in return from United, but even that's not 100% ideal.

 

[Donki]

He should not be sold domestically. The only exception being getting Martial in return from United, but even that's not 100% ideal.

Thing is there is no interest ATM from else where but the PL, which is strange.

 

[Gb160]

Thing is there is no interest ATM from else where but the PL, which is strange.

Trix's latest seems to suggest that isnt true.

 

[tototoner]

Sorry, but all this "we must not sell to a rival" is simply un-enforceable. Sure, we'd all like that to happen, but our rivals are winning things and therefore, until we do the same, we run the risk of players leaving.
Yes, we hold the contract for these players, but at the same time I'm pretty sure it would be illegal to prevent a player going where he wants to go. You can't tell someone they can only move abroad. Besides which, chances are that if you did that, the player would get the move he ultimately wants a year later.

Look at Neymar as a prime non PL example. Wanted to stay in Spain and move to Madrid.
Barca wouldn't sell him to them, so he went to PSG. A year later he is expected to move to Madrid.

And let's remove the rose-tinted spectacles for a minute.
What about when we try and get a player from another PL side??

If he's contracted to your club he either sees out his contract or he goes to a club you agree a fee with.

It wasn't illegal when we stopped Modric signing for Chelsea

 

[THFCSPURS19]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-advantage-spurs-stance-transfers-early-toby/

Man Utd look to take advantage of Spurs' stance on transfers with early Toby Alderweireld approach

Manchester United are hoping to take advantage of Mauricio Pochettino’s desire for Tottenham Hotspur to wrap up their transfer business early in their pursuit of Belgium defender Toby Alderweireld.

Jose Mourinho wants to sign a centre-half this summer as the United manager bids to strengthen his defence and believes Alderweireld would be a good fit.

Negotiating with Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, has long proven a taxing experience for United and a formal move for the £50 million plus rated Alderweireld could still be fraught with complications.

But Pochettino has made it clear to Levy, both publicly and in talks with the Spurs chairman, that he wants the club to conduct their business earlier than in previous summers, both in terms of ins and outs, and United hope that stance could assist any approach for Alderweireld.

Spurs have traditionally left business late but, with a shortened transfer window compounded by the World Cup finals, which will further limit time to do deals, Pochettino hopes the club do not drag their heels and wants the go-ahead to sell anybody he believes he can replace. Levy is eager for Pochettino to sign a new contract and knows he may have to bow to some of the manager’s wishes.

It would still take a huge offer to persuade Levy to sell Alderweireld to a direct English rival for the Champions League places. Alderweireld would be available for £25m next summer [2019] under the terms of his contract, which has two years to run, but Spurs want more than double that this summer. There have even been reports that Levy could hold out for a fee closer to the £75m Liverpool paid Southampton for Virgil van Dijk in January, although such a price seems excessive given Alderweireld’s age and contractual situation.

Still, it remains to be seen if Ed Woodward, the United executive vice-chairman, is prepared to go the extra yard to secure the services of Alderweireld, who, at 29, would have little resale value and likely be bought with immediate success in mind.

Woodward was unwilling to meet Inter Milan’s £49m asking price for Croatia winger Ivan Perisic last summer, much to Mourinho’s frustration, because it was considered an excessive sum for a player who was 28 at the time. Woodward was also conscious that United – who have also been linked with Spurs left back Danny Rose - paid Chelsea a projected £40m fee for the 29-year-old Serbia midfielder, Nemanja Matic, that summer.

Pochettino is a keen admirer of Anthony Martial but United are opposed to selling the France forward, who has also attracted interest from Chelsea, to an English club. If Tottenham insisted on taking Martial as part of any negotiations over Alderweireld, a deal for the defender could easily break down and force United to pursue other central defensive targets.

The sale of Martial to any club, let alone an English rival, would be dimly received by United supporters, though.

He has endured an up and down season in which he has struggled to hold down a regular starting place, failing to make France’s World Cup squad in the process, and he is one of several players who has a difficult relationship with Mourinho. But his talent is considerable and there are plenty of people within Old Trafford who feel the club would be making a huge mistake that could come back to haunt them if Martial was sold.

 

[rossdapep]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...-advantage-spurs-stance-transfers-early-toby/

Man Utd look to take advantage of Spurs' stance on transfers with early Toby Alderweireld approach

Manchester United are hoping to take advantage of Mauricio Pochettino’s desire for Tottenham Hotspur to wrap up their transfer business early in their pursuit of Belgium defender Toby Alderweireld.

Jose Mourinho wants to sign a centre-half this summer as the United manager bids to strengthen his defence and believes Alderweireld would be a good fit.

Negotiating with Daniel Levy, the Tottenham chairman, has long proven a taxing experience for United and a formal move for the £50 million plus rated Alderweireld could still be fraught with complications.

But Pochettino has made it clear to Levy, both publicly and in talks with the Spurs chairman, that he wants the club to conduct their business earlier than in previous summers, both in terms of ins and outs, and United hope that stance could assist any approach for Alderweireld.

Spurs have traditionally left business late but, with a shortened transfer window compounded by the World Cup finals, which will further limit time to do deals, Pochettino hopes the club do not drag their heels and wants the go-ahead to sell anybody he believes he can replace. Levy is eager for Pochettino to sign a new contract and knows he may have to bow to some of the manager’s wishes.

It would still take a huge offer to persuade Levy to sell Alderweireld to a direct English rival for the Champions League places. Alderweireld would be available for £25m next summer [2019] under the terms of his contract, which has two years to run, but Spurs want more than double that this summer. There have even been reports that Levy could hold out for a fee closer to the £75m Liverpool paid Southampton for Virgil van Dijk in January, although such a price seems excessive given Alderweireld’s age and contractual situation.

Still, it remains to be seen if Ed Woodward, the United executive vice-chairman, is prepared to go the extra yard to secure the services of Alderweireld, who, at 29, would have little resale value and likely be bought with immediate success in mind.

Woodward was unwilling to meet Inter Milan’s £49m asking price for Croatia winger Ivan Perisic last summer, much to Mourinho’s frustration, because it was considered an excessive sum for a player who was 28 at the time. Woodward was also conscious that United – who have also been linked with Spurs left back Danny Rose - paid Chelsea a projected £40m fee for the 29-year-old Serbia midfielder, Nemanja Matic, that summer.

Pochettino is a keen admirer of Anthony Martial but United are opposed to selling the France forward, who has also attracted interest from Chelsea, to an English club. If Tottenham insisted on taking Martial as part of any negotiations over Alderweireld, a deal for the defender could easily break down and force United to pursue other central defensive targets.

The sale of Martial to any club, let alone an English rival, would be dimly received by United supporters, though.

He has endured an up and down season in which he has struggled to hold down a regular starting place, failing to make France’s World Cup squad in the process, and he is one of several players who has a difficult relationship with Mourinho. But his talent is considerable and there are plenty of people within Old Trafford who feel the club would be making a huge mistake that could come back to haunt them if Martial was sold.

Not sure how I feel to be honest.

Don't want to see Toby in a United shirt and would hate for us to lose another big player only for them to enjoy success elsewhere and leave us weaker.

But at the same time if the fee received enables us to get in the players Poch wants and leave us in a better situation long-term we probably need to realise this and see the bigger picture.

Of course it all depends on what players we bring in. If Toby went for 50-60 and we brought in a potentially world class attacker, a potentially world class defender and a cm that can take us to the next level I'm sure we'd all be willing to do it, no matter how painful it would be to see Toby in a United shirt.

 

[double0]

If we sell Alderweireld to United I'm expecting Martial.
If we sell Alderweireld to Chelski I'm expecting William / or Luftus Cheek and change

 

[ernest_lowrider]

I could live with swapping Toby for Martial, but only if theres no other way, i.e. Toby still wants out and there is no foreign clubs for him or there is no other similar player in the market we could spend Toby money on.

I could also live with Chelsea fucking off, regardless what Toby wants and how the market is.

 

[Primativ]

Makes me laugh. United expect us to sell Toby to them yet they refuse to sell Martial to an English club.

 

[whatislifewithoutspurs]

If we sell Alderweireld to United I'm expecting Martial.
If we sell Alderweireld to Chelski I'm expecting William / or Luftus Cheek and change

If you are talking about Willian then hell no seeing the way he treated us on his transfer to Chelsea

 

[Dov67]

So we solve Man City’s full back problem last season and now we’re planning on solving Man Utd’s centre back problem.

That’s just awesome..........we’re so kind and selfless when it comes to our rivals.

It’s like the US selling missiles to the soviets during the height of the Cold War.

 

[WiganSpur]

I'm sorry, but it's a fucking joke if we sell him to those fuckers without getting Martial in return.

 

[thekneaf]

I've heard United want to sell Bailly, so Toby will not even be a big improvement. He'll just be better than Bailly but surrounded by dross. If they sell Bailly, pay us top dollar for Toby, then they get my sign off.

Jose is going to absolutely implode next season, if Toby wants in on that, then go for it.

 

[Luka Van der Bale]

Makes me laugh. United expect us to sell Toby to them yet they refuse to sell Martial to an English club.

We’ll go along with them too. You know we will.

 

[Guntz]

People are dreaming if they think that Utd will realistically let us sign Martial.

Most top clubs in Europe will be interested in him so they won't be short of suitors. We'll sell them Toby for around £55m and then move on to our other targets.

I'd love to be proved wrong though.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Makes me laugh. United expect us to sell Toby to them yet they refuse to sell Martial to an English club.

The problem is despite both teams and players seemingly being keen to part ways, they know we won't get anywhere near the money abroad whereas someone in Europe would probably take Martial for similar to what we'd offer (Atleti/Juve). Annoyingly Utd have the power here, they know Levy would struggle to walk away from £60m or so. I just hope Levy has too much pride to get done over by Woodward of all people.

 

[Gb160]

£20m or so is not much nowadays, if we could get say £40m or so abroad we should do it. We can't bend over to other English teams again. It just sends out such a bad message that we're just fucking weak.

That 20m could be the difference between buying quality or another n'punt.
20m isn't much to certain clubs, but it is to us.