Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[dtxspurs]

I really can't believe after all the news and feed back we have had so far, you still believe in keeping Toby.

Poch won't play him if we are stuck with him for another season, especially after being stabbed in the back. why waist paying 75k a week in wages on a player that isn't committed to playing for us. The only way if he stays is he will play if injuries are rife, or at a push cup games.

I'll list the reasons for you:

• I think he's our best defender
• I don't want to sell to our rivals (again)
• I don't trust Levy to reinvest the funds correctly
• Because of above I think we should play 3atb more
• If we don't bring in replacements we are going to struggle with depth playing in 4 competitions.
• I don't cheer for transfer fees, I cheer for the team
• Pinch of salt and all that

 

[Mississippi Slim]

100% agree. People saying we should keep him at all costs if Martial isn't involved really aren't considering that he can move anywhere he wants next season for the same kind of price Danny Ings is being touted for and that we would have absolutely no control as to where he chooses to go.

For me I think that people saying you do not sell to your direct rivals are being shortsighted. We aren't run by a company or chairman able throw any old money at any old player it needs to be run efficiently and if we can't get Martial in a deal we have to let him go for a lot more than we'll get and cut out one of the higher earners of the overall squad who really and truly won't be part of our starting XI too much based on how we shifted to a 4 at the back last season.

I don't want to see Man U get one over on us but our hands are tied, more so than when we let Walker leave last year.

If we get something in the £55m ballpark we have to sell, keeping him and losing £30m out of spite really doesn't work in the best interests of the football club

If United won’t make their players available to us on the same terms as everyone else, we shouldn’t make ours available to them either. It may cost the club the short term, but you can’t do business with people who won’t treat you with good faith.

 

[Lighty64]

I’m sure if we don’t sell to United we’d be able to flog him to a team in Europe somewhere.

When push comes to shove and he’s faced with the prospect of being benched for another year or go abroad, he’ll make the move. We would be better off selling for £25m now abroad than £50m now to United, unless we had an absolutely cracking signing lined up that we absolutely needed the money to sign.

I agree with selling him abroad, but you got to remember if we as a club stop him going to Man U, he might refuse to go elsewhere after. once his release cause kicks in we have no say on where he goes

 

[Blackrat1299]

I agree with selling him abroad, but you got to remember if we as a club stop him going to Man U, he might refuse to go elsewhere after. once his release cause kicks in we have no say on where he goes

Yeah, but he will be a year older, lacking first team minutes, reoccurance of injury. Good fortune favours the brave.

 

[Lighty64]

I'll list the reasons for you:

• I think he's our best defender - I agree but he isn't committed, if he was he would of accepted the offer in January
• I don't want to sell to our rivals (again) - I agree but would rather sell to United now for 50+, than Arse for 25m next
• I don't trust Levy to reinvest the funds correctly - I agree I don't think anyone really trust Levy, but we haven't got 2-300m to chuck around that forces teams to sell. we have only just hit top mark on wages (even though they have been going up season after season)
• Because of above I think we should play 3atb more - did you notice the drop in Walkers performances once it come out?
• If we don't bring in replacements we are going to struggle with depth playing in 4 competitions. - I disagree as If Poch doesn't trust Toby he won't play him.
• I don't cheer for transfer fees, I cheer for the team - I agree the team is important and would want trust in the players
• Pinch of salt and all that - fucking run out of salt in 2014

 

[Rout-Ledge]

I agree with selling him abroad, but you got to remember if we as a club stop him going to Man U, he might refuse to go elsewhere after. once his release cause kicks in we have no say on where he goes

Will a top club really want to pay big money to a 30/31 year old who’s been benched for two years? He’s barely attracting interest now. He would be very foolish to refuse a move abroad this summer.

 

[Cinemattis]

for sure i get that but what's the root off 'suck' = bad?

Getting sucked down in a drain, a malstroem, in quick sand, into the depths of hell, etc.

There are those who enjoy sucking on genitals. And even more that enjoys having them sucked. I´ve been told that it can be quite arousing?

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

If United won’t make their players available to us on the same terms as everyone else, we shouldn’t make ours available to them either. It may cost the club the short term, but you can’t do business with people who won’t treat you with good faith.

Only to lose him to the same people 12 months down the line for substantially less? I'd usually agree with you but Toby's clause really means we have to accept the highest bid from whoever that may be regardless of their willingness to give us their players. They have us by the nuts if no other team shows any interest in him and if his heart is set on United.

I do wonder how people react if we miss out on a huge target this window or next because we prevented a deal that would be in the best interests of the club regardless of who the buyer is.

It's a tough one but Toby needs to go

 

[yankspurs]

I'll list the reasons for you:

• I think he's our best defender
• I don't want to sell to our rivals (again)
• I don't trust Levy to reinvest the funds correctly
• Because of above I think we should play 3atb more
• If we don't bring in replacements we are going to struggle with depth playing in 4 competitions.
• I don't cheer for transfer fees, I cheer for the team
• Pinch of salt and all that

Jan Vertonghen, the best defender in the PL, says hello.

 

[Lighty64]

Will a top club really want to pay big money to a 30/31 year old who’s been benched for two years? He’s barely attracting interest now. He would be very foolish to refuse a move abroad this summer.

is 25m top money anymore? to us it is, but this football game it's gone absolutely f'in stupid. I still get angry Clough paid 1m for Trevor Francis

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

is 25m top money anymore? to us it is, but this football game it's gone absolutely f'in stupid. I still get angry Clough paid 1m for Trevor Francis

The bubble will burst one day and it will leave a lot of teams on the cusp of going out of business.

Football is trying to keep up with the spending of some of the Worlds richest men, it's not a sustainable model medium to long term

 

[Lighty64]

Yeah, but he will be a year older, lacking first team minutes, reoccurance of injury. Good fortune favours the brave.

I agree but I would rather give his 75K a week wages to those that deserve it. if he is kept on, it will be either a squad space wasted, or a long running story all season that Toby is being hung out to dry, an absolute great advert for the players we try to sign in the future

 

[dtxspurs]

Only to lose him to the same people 12 months down the line for substantially less? I'd usually agree with you but Toby's clause really means we have to accept the highest bid from whoever that may be regardless of their willingness to give us their players. They have us by the nuts if no other team shows any interest in him and if his heart is set on United.

I do wonder how people react if we miss out on a huge target this window or next because we prevented a deal that would be in the best interests of the club regardless of who the buyer is.

It's a tough one but Toby needs to go

What huge targets do you see us after?

 

[Rout-Ledge]

is 25m top money anymore? to us it is, but this football game it's gone absolutely f'in stupid. I still get angry Clough paid 1m for Trevor Francis

I said ‘to him’ not ‘for him’, meaning wages. He clearly wants a hefty contract.

Will anyone give him a multiple year deal on over £150k a week at that age, without being sure that he’s the player he once was? I don’t think so.

 

[Lighty64]

The bubble will burst one day and it will leave a lot of teams on the cusp of going out of business.

Football is trying to keep up with the spending of some of the Worlds richest men, it's not a sustainable model medium to long term

not next season it won't

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

What huge targets do you see us after?

I don't know what the clubs plans are for the next 1-12months but what I do know is the difference £25m compared to £50m is for a business if your hands are tied by a clause.

If you don't think £25,000,000 is a big sum that would be impossible to miss out on that could play a huge part in the making or breaking of future deals then I think you're grossly mistaken.

Toby doesn't want to be here, Poch seemingly doesn't want him and it seems Man United are the only buyers of a must sell asset. Our hands are tied

 

[Blackrat1299]

I agree but I would rather give his 75K a week wages to those that deserve it. if he is kept on, it will be either a squad space wasted, or a long running story all season that Toby is being hung out to dry, an absolute great advert for the players we try to sign in the future

I have to agree with your argument, however, How do you square the circle? Toby has to realise the dog wags the tail, not the other way round. I know metaphors. Why should he benefit, for the better, for something he instigated by his actions.

 

[ToDarrenIsToDo]

I have to agree with your argument, however, How do you square the circle? Toby has to realise the dog wags the tail, not the other way round. I know metaphors. Why should he benefit, for the better, for something he instigated by his actions.

If he doesn't benefit we don't benefit, it's not about what's best for Toby, it's what's best for the club

 

[dtxspurs]

I don't know what the clubs plans are for the next 1-12months but what I do know is the difference £25m compared to £50m is for a business if your hands are tied by a clause.

If you don't think £25,000,000 is a big sum that would be impossible to miss out on that could play a huge part in the making or breaking of future deals then I think you're grossly mistaken.

Toby doesn't want to be here, Poch seemingly doesn't want him and it seems Man United are the only buyers of a must sell asset. Our hands are tied

If 25mil is that huge of a deal for us, we aren't meant to play with the big dogs. Which its seeming like that is the case anyways with the way we are acting.

 

[Bware]

No one should buy this stuff about Alderweireld waiting for United. If we don’t come to an agreement with United they will sign someone else. They won’t wait a year and Mourinho might not even be there by then anyway. And there’s no way he would be getting the same deal from them a year from now. So ultimately if he waits then his career takes a significant hit. They take him now or he goes elsewhere I would think.