Player watch: Toby Alderweireld

[cwhite02]

Toby is pure class, doesn't matter which way this tarted up, we are loosing one of the leagues\world best CB's. Anyone can say he's had injuries but if he stays fit, we won't be able to replace him with anyone of his quality.

Look at it the other way, if we signed Toby from another club now, we would all be so excited that we've a player who could take us onto the next level.

 

[Primativ]

and do you think a quality CB is going to sit on the bench?

why play 3 at the back v Bus parkers who are they meant to mark in case we get hit on the counter. the games we will play 3 at the back will be when we can drop Dier back, and if Wanyama is finished due to injury we would have to use a player like Amos if we don't buy someone this week

Of course we can have quality players sitting on the bench ? How else do top clubs keep strong squads? The fact you are seriously saying that we will have to use a completely raw kid in Amos at DM because Dier has to play CB where Dier isn't even that good anyway, tells us all we need to know about how shocking the window has been in terms of leaving us in a stronger position than last year. You may be happy with this but many of us aren't and Poch won't he happy either you can bet on that.

I expect you won't be moaning on here when we miss out on CL and again finish trophyless because you think it's ok in only having 2 recognised top CBs in the squad? It has nothing to do with playing 3 at the back and everything to do with lacking depth if Sanchez or Verts get injured.

 

[Haddock]

Some are far to obsessed with the symbolism of TA to United ----> "Selling club", "Bullied by United once again", "Small club mentality" etc. Whilst completely disregarding the cold facts such as 1) Toby himself wants to leave 2) Pochettino wants him gone 3) No other club will offer as much as United.

As others has pointed out: the best damage control in this scenario is to sell to the highest bidder and reinvest the money. It's not ideal and it will be a tad painful seeing TA in a United shirt but it is the the best alternative among a lot of bad alternatives.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Ultimately, if Utd do trade Martial for Willian, I think that actually weakens them, plus with the Alderweireld money in our pocket, and Chelsea having Martial, should give us a clear run at Zaha, and it was an either/or situation for me, so long as we get one.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think we'll be playing 433 similar to City this season, that appears to be how we've played in preseason. So CB could be more flexible. Ultimately those stressing about Foyth being ready to replace Toby as starter, it's not the case. Sanchez has already done that, Foyth is stepping into the first backup role, and if more experience is needed, so long as we have Wanyama fit (or added another DM) then Dier can be used (I still think he's a better CB than DM). If you just go and buy a straight replacement, then what's the point in investing in Foyth?

Longer term, would you accept a Liverpool/Keita scenario with De Ligt, all stories suggest Ajax won't sell this summer, but what if we bought him now to join next summer, one year longer on Jan's legs, one year more experience for De Ligt, ready to come and reform his partnership with Sanchez.

 

[Wsussexspur]

We have known all summer that Toby was likely to leave and it was more than likely go to be to Manchester United as not sure there was much interest from elsewhere. Not sure why the mass histeriar about it now it looks like the deal is close to happening.

 

[Clark28]

Look at it the other way, if we signed Toby from another club now, we would all be so excited that we've a player who could take us onto the next level.

Honestly, I'd be saying wtf are we doing spending big money on a 29 year old with suspect hammys, when we already have the 22 year old Davinson with the world at his feet.

 

[sausage]

Think it’s more the principal of how it’s happening for me. Known Poch doesn’t want him and realistically we were always going to sell with out Martial so why couldn’t we of done it weeks ago and invested the money already

It kind of feels like you're implying we can choose when United opt to buy him??

 

[Wsussexspur]

Ultimately, if Utd do trade Martial for Willian, I think that actually weakens them, plus with the Alderweireld money in our pocket, and Chelsea having Martial, should give us a clear run at Zaha, and it was an either/or situation for me, so long as we get one.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think we'll be playing 433 similar to City this season, that appears to be how we've played in preseason. So CB could be more flexible. Ultimately those stressing about Foyth being ready to replace Toby as starter, it's not the case. Sanchez has already done that, Foyth is stepping into the first backup role, and if more experience is needed, so long as we have Wanyama fit (or added another DM) then Dier can be used (I still think he's a better CB than DM). If you just go and buy a straight replacement, then what's the point in investing in Foyth?

Longer term, would you accept a Liverpool/Keita scenario with De Ligt, all stories suggest Ajax won't sell this summer, but what if we bought him now to join next summer, one year longer on Jan's legs, one year more experience for De Ligt, ready to come and reform his partnership with Sanchez.

We really aren’t going to sign Zaha in this window people need to move on from that deal. Unless we bid something close to rediculous money for him and agree to all Palaces terms I cannot see them selling there star player this late in the window. We all know that is not going to happen!

 

[yiddo]

Of course we can have quality players sitting on the bench ? How else do top clubs keep strong squads? The fact you are seriously saying that we will have to use a completely raw kid in Amos at DM because Dier has to play CB where Dier isn't even that good anyway, tells us all we need to know about how shocking the window has been in terms of leaving us in a stronger position than last year. You may be happy with this but many of us aren't and Poch won't he happy either you can bet on that.

I expect you won't be moaning on here when we miss out on CL and again finish trophyless because you think it's ok in only having 2 recognised top CBs in the squad? It has nothing to do with playing 3 at the back and everything to do with lacking depth if Sanchez or Verts get injured.

Exactly. When we have to play Sanchez & Foyth or worse Sanchez & CCV at the back (due to an injury or 2) against the likes of Barca or Real in the CL and they hit us harder than Arsenal have been in recent years... maybe then it will sink in for a few people on here.

 

[tiger666]

I might be on my own, but I'm not really bothered by this.

We've known he was going and not wanted at spurs for a looong time now. He's going to a club that were already ultra defensive, and for money that *could* trigger us getting in a player that will strengthen us more than he will them.

You're not on your own. I couldn't give a shit. It just seems the latest thing for people to get angry about and hurl a few turds about the place to show how much they care.

 

[Deleted member 27995]

You're not on your own. I couldn't give a shit. It just seems the latest thing for people to get angry about and hurl a few turds about the place to show how much they care.

Same in every thread, funny stuff really.

 

[Cavehillspur]

Anyone know why the Stanislav Lobotka thread has vanished?

 

[Deleted member 27995]

Anyone know why the Stanislav Lobotka thread has vanished?

The media link was probably too weak again.

 

[tiger666]

Anyone know why the Stanislav Lobotka thread has vanished?

I imagine because it was from a weak foreign media source.

 

[piedpiper]

Ultimately, if Utd do trade Martial for Willian, I think that actually weakens them, plus with the Alderweireld money in our pocket, and Chelsea having Martial, should give us a clear run at Zaha, and it was an either/or situation for me, so long as we get one.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think we'll be playing 433 similar to City this season, that appears to be how we've played in preseason. So CB could be more flexible. Ultimately those stressing about Foyth being ready to replace Toby as starter, it's not the case. Sanchez has already done that, Foyth is stepping into the first backup role, and if more experience is needed, so long as we have Wanyama fit (or added another DM) then Dier can be used (I still think he's a better CB than DM). If you just go and buy a straight replacement, then what's the point in investing in Foyth?

Longer term, would you accept a Liverpool/Keita scenario with De Ligt, all stories suggest Ajax won't sell this summer, but what if we bought him now to join next summer, one year longer on Jan's legs, one year more experience for De Ligt, ready to come and reform his partnership with Sanchez.

I would wish we had the foresight to do a deal of that nature. It makes sense but we don't have a proper strategy to our dealings.

 

[spursfast]

Ultimately, if Utd do trade Martial for Willian, I think that actually weakens them, plus with the Alderweireld money in our pocket, and Chelsea having Martial, should give us a clear run at Zaha, and it was an either/or situation for me, so long as we get one.

Looking at the bigger picture, I think we'll be playing 433 similar to City this season, that appears to be how we've played in preseason. So CB could be more flexible. Ultimately those stressing about Foyth being ready to replace Toby as starter, it's not the case. Sanchez has already done that, Foyth is stepping into the first backup role, and if more experience is needed, so long as we have Wanyama fit (or added another DM) then Dier can be used (I still think he's a better CB than DM). If you just go and buy a straight replacement, then what's the point in investing in Foyth?

Longer term, would you accept a Liverpool/Keita scenario with De Ligt, all stories suggest Ajax won't sell this summer, but what if we bought him now to join next summer, one year longer on Jan's legs, one year more experience for De Ligt, ready to come and reform his partnership with Sanchez.

"should give us a clear run at Zaha..." you know we don't pay 60m circa prices

 

[GetSpurredOn]

"should give us a clear run at Zaha..." you know we don't pay 60m circa prices

True, we haven't previously, but then prior to last summer would you have expected us to shell out north of £40m on a CB? Depends on the makeup of the £60m, if it's £45m plus addons, yes I can see it.

The one thing I am glad about, is if it is done quickly today. Better to have a few days to reinforce, than have had Utd rock up on the last day of the window.
I think Zaha is still gettable. Add him, Grealish and a quality DM/CM who could be non home grown based on Zaha and Grealish, and we're actually in a decent position. I wouldn't be stunned to see Brozovic added, solid talented all round midfielder, can play DM or box to box depending on who he's playing with. Plus previous Inter were interested in Dembele, so maybe something could be on there??

 

[Clark28]

Exactly. When we have to play Sanchez & Foyth or worse Sanchez & CCV at the back (due to an injury or 2) against the likes of Barca or Real in the CL and they hit us harder than Arsenal have been in recent years... maybe then it will sink in for a few people on here.

1. Dier could play there
2. If you took the 2 best CBs out of most teams and then made their backups face Madrid/Barca, it would be just as bad
3. Keeping Toby isn't guaranteed to prevent the scenario you've outlined, he could theoretically be in the injury room too after tearing another hamstring.

 

[Metalhead]

It kind of feels like you're implying we can choose when United opt to buy him??

United haven't only become interested in Alderweireld this past week so he makes a decent point. Not sure why Levy has left it this late unless Poch was determined that he wanted Martial as part of the deal. It's pretty obvious without having any ITK that Levy knows he will never get a better price for him than in this window so he's going to have to sell. Let's hope that we can get that money reinvested quickly but in a player that Poch actually wants.

 

[spursfast]

The one thing I am glad about, is if it is done quickly today. Better to have a few days to reinforce, than have had Utd rock up on the last day of the window.
I think Zaha is still gettable. Add him, Grealish and a quality DM/CM who could be non home grown based on Zaha and Grealish, and we're actually in a decent position. I wouldn't be stunned to see Brozovic added, solid talented all round midfielder, can play DM or box to box depending on who he's playing with. Plus previous Inter were interested in Dembele, so maybe something could be on there??

well never sell Dembele, we cant' it'll leave us no mid, anyways inter deal broke down; thfc don't really want to sell, they'll never pay what it takes to replace him this window