Player Watch : Vincent Janssen

[nedley]

We don't only have two striker though. We have One clear first choice striker, one clear - purchased for the purpose of back up striker. We also have Son, who was purchased because he can play as a striker, as a wide auxiliary forward and wide AM. We also have (had) Harrison as a potential 4th choice.

In a team that plays a one striker system that's pretty normal. Chelsea have two recognised strikers. ManC Aguero and the kid Iheanacho. Arsenal Giroud as the only real pure 9 and Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck who can play there but are versatile. Liverpool have Origi and Sturridge.

Even for big teams it's hard to keep more than one main top striker happy

Still not enough in my opinion.

I would have liked another multi-functional forward to have been added to our squad albeit I understand how difficult that is to find.

Harrison has never been a 4th choice.

I still have some faith in Janssen and would love nothing more than for him to bag a few goals to give him the confidence to head into next season. If he fails to improve on what he's already done we'll be fooling ourselves thing that he'll be here next season.

 

[slartibartfast]

Keep him because of his age???
W..t..f?
I think he's gone.
I don't think he's good enough.
But to be fair I think he's only had a few appearences where the team have played well enough to create anything for him.
He was getting pissed off after about his 2nd game.

 

[DIEHARD]

Two strikers plus others who can play as strikers short term is adequate, the problem is is that quality is key.

 

[nedley]

We don't only have two striker though. We have One clear first choice striker, one clear - purchased for the purpose of back up striker. We also have Son, who was purchased because he can play as a striker, as a wide auxiliary forward and wide AM. We also have (had) Harrison as a potential 4th choice.

In a team that plays a one striker system that's pretty normal. Chelsea have two recognised strikers. ManC Aguero and the kid Iheanacho. Arsenal Giroud as the only real pure 9 and Sanchez, Walcott, Welbeck who can play there but are versatile. Liverpool have Origi and Sturridge.

Even for big teams it's hard to keep more than one main top striker happy

Think a few of our competitors are better equipped than that in all honesty.

Like you said Arsenal have a number of adaptable players that can play along the offensive line as do Man Citeh who also have Jesus and Noilto along with a mass of pacy attacking players.

Liverpool also have Mane and started the season with Danny Ings.

I agree with your point though but last season we had N'Jie who actually played a few games. We've sold Chadli and N'Koudou hasn't had the game time we thought he might get.

Fact is we've left ourselves short.

 

[Dennism]

We need a player who can cover for Kane and provide a different option from the bench. Unfortunately Janssen seems incapable of doing this. He is also, of course, incapable of scoring. I am afraid he is running out of chances and unless there is a dramatic improvement he will need to move on. The sad thing is he does not even look like scoring and just runs round like a headless chicken.

 

[longtimespur]

To me Poch's remarks says Janssen isn't doing enough on the training pitch to warrant a place on the bench. So letting him know he needs to up his work rate. Surely that's a good idea, give him a kick up the jacksy, see how he responds is what will make or break him at Spurs.

 

[thebenjamin]

To me Poch's remarks says Janssen isn't doing enough on the training pitch to warrant a place on the bench. So letting him know he needs to up his work rate. Surely that's a good idea, give him a kick up the jacksy, see how he responds is what will make or break him at Spurs.

Don't think it's work rate that's the issue, just a basic lack of technical quality.

 

[Krafty]

The Janssen I have seen for Holland looks worth persevering with. The Tottenham looks like he should give up professional football! (save penalty taking).

I don't think he has been helped out by a lack of a cohesive attacking plan. I would play him purely as a predator, he can run the odd channel and hold up the odd ball but I want him in the box, just focusing on his finishing. Then I would work on the rest of the team to have a proper supply line to the striker(s), ask more from the attacking midfielders and go from there.

When Kane is struggling in the first XI, I am minded to give Janssen some more time.

 

[coy-spurs1882]

i think improving the player's ability is one of the responsibilities of the coaching team, so it is not solely down to janssen himself imo, yes he is struggling and it is the job for our coaches to guide him and tell him how to do better isn't it?

 

[sidford]

1. Ben Pearce ‏@BenPearceSpurs 9m9 minutes ago
   
   
   Ben Pearce Retweeted Jack Pitt-Brooke
   
   Sounds like Poch hasn't seen improvement from Janssen: "players show their quality & belief on the training ground"
   
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   Jack Pitt-Brooke @JackPittBrooke
   Vincent Janssen under serious threat after being dropped on Thursday: http://ind.pn/2kSdCwn
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   Jack Pitt-Brooke ‏@JackPittBrooke 1m1 minute ago
   
   
   
   @BenPearceSpurs I fear he is finished
   

 

[thebenjamin]

i think improving the player's ability is one of the responsibilities of the coaching team, so it is not solely down to janssen himself imo, yes he is struggling and it is the job for our coaches to guide him and tell him how to do better isn't it?

If a young player doesnt get better playing under Pochettino, I wouldn't hold out an enormous amount to of hope for the remainder of their career.

 

[faze_coys]

So does Sissoko but he seems to get chance after chance.

Tbh I have no doubt sissoko is a very good trainer and puts his all in which is probably why he makes squads.

But training is not a first team match.

(Not sure this even relates to jannsen because if he can't even show spark in training then he's fucked lol)

 

[DIEHARD]

Poch would have hated Ledley king then

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Given the ever lingering issues with lack of full English eloquence, we can't know for certain that Pochettino mean to be indicating that Janssen is showing lack of effort whilst training. In fact, I'd wager he does not. However, as a comment on why he isn't playing on the pitch, well, Pochettino might be indicating that he learns what it is to learn about his players in training, and doesn't need to see players in a game to know whether they can make it or not. Just my two cents of assumptions.

 

[Lemon]

Poch would have hated Ledley king then

This is a good point, IMO, like a broken record I'll say again that intensity is finite.

Jansen looks like someone who is not suited to Poch training, leaving him looking poor in games/training when really his body is signaling his parasympathetic nervous system to recover him. Multiple times I've seen it said 'he looks a different player for Holland' why is that? Because he is not trained into the ground those weeks?

This is the same issue which causes our listless performances IMO, Kane in particular suffers the same issue often, yet this is compounded because Poch just plays him anyway, over and over, instead of taking a quality hit by playing Janssen/Son to allow Kane sufficient recovery, ditto Dembele, Eriksen, Alli.

It manifests differently in each player but they all show the same symptom IMO. How many games this season have we looked slow and ponderous, players showing poor touch or control (out of sync with their usual quality level), then we perk up a little after a half time gee up?

If you play key players like Kane 2 games a week, then you must wrap them in cotton wool during training, whilst others who only play once may be asked to 'bring the intensity', it is the scaling of expectation which I suspect is wrong.

 

[jurgen]

Maybe Poch's training assessment is on a bleep test.. we'll never know. Would explain Sissoko though..

 

[Johnny J]

This is a good point, IMO, like a broken record I'll say again that intensity is finite.

Jansen looks like someone who is not suited to Poch training, leaving him looking poor in games/training when really his body is signaling his parasympathetic nervous system to recover him. Multiple times I've seen it said 'he looks a different player for Holland' why is that? Because he is not trained into the ground those weeks?

This is the same issue which causes our listless performances IMO, Kane in particular suffers the same issue often, yet this is compounded because Poch just plays him anyway, over and over, instead of taking a quality hit by playing Janssen/Son to allow Kane sufficient recovery, ditto Dembele, Eriksen, Alli.

It manifests differently in each player but they all show the same symptom IMO. How many games this season have we looked slow and ponderous, players showing poor touch or control (out of sync with their usual quality level), then we perk up a little after a half time gee up?

If you play key players like Kane 2 games a week, then you must wrap them in cotton wool during training, whilst others who only play once may be asked to 'bring the intensity', it is the scaling of expectation which I suspect is wrong.

Totally agree. Let's be honest: because we don't have good squad depth, Poch is basically relying on Kane/Eriksen/Alli/Dembele for over 50 games per season. Aguero, Sanchez, Ozil, De Bruyne, Hazard etc all get tested from time to time.

 

[Danners9]

..These comments seem to suggest his training hasn't been at the required level. That's not a surprise though, he must be having confidence issues.

I wouldn't mind trying him up top with Kane when/if we return to 352. Trouble is that means dropping Dele deeper which reduces his effectiveness.

Almost certainly confidence issues but if it's in training as well, perhaps it's about more than football - homesick, depressed, whatever.. plenty of players train well when the pressure is off but go to pieces when it's a match.

The other thing is when he has played, he's looked crap - not taking up the positions where he could get chances at goal, probably because he feels he'd miss. If he's up top, he'd probably drift back and leave us with Kane isolated and the midfield all over the place. And if he's up by himself, that play leaves us with no front man.

This might be Poch's way of challenging him. If the arm around the shoulder approach hasn't worked, the public kick up the arse might. He has done that quite a lot, one player at a time. See how they respond to it.. if Janssen doesn't, I guess he'll be off in the summer. And so will a few others.

In my opinion, it was a bad signing because if you dig down into his goal stats from last season you'd see he scored most in the 2nd half of the season. It was also his first season in a top division. He had also been released by Feyenoord as a youngster and had to work to get back up; Almere then AZ then Spurs. The Dutch appearances/goals show a player rising quickly, but hide his inexperience. Another season or 2 in Holland would have done him the world of good - except, of course, by then, he is out of Spurs' reach. AZ to PSV or Ajax probably and then to a German team or a big spending English team (which is what happened, but too early...). He was bought to be a backup to learn but then thrown into it because of Kane's injury and that, and the move as a whole, has been too much, too soon.

It's a difficult brief though: Not too expensive, under 25, happy to be backup to Kane. Limits the options considerably!!

 

[Monkey boy]

Think tomorrow will be very telling. If he fails to make the starting 11 I'd nail my colours to the mast and say he's finished with us.

 

[dannythomas]

Missed opportunity a year ago, would have been a much better choice at a much cheaper price.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/jan/26/tottenham-fulham-moussa-dembele