Player Watch Player Watch: Yves Bissouma

[danielneeds]

Anyone saying to bin or get rid I just cant take you seriously. We are supposed to be supporters but 1 or 2 things dont go right and you instantly ditch all support and bring the pitch forks out. The same people will be crying about there is no loyalty in the game when one of our players wants to leave. Was it stupid? Yes but grow up and stop overreacting.

There’s a few things going on that have got him to this place. His general accumulation of yellows was a structural thing for me, as he was trying to stop counters and left a bit exposed too often.

The dive was just a silly brain fart that he’ll probably never do again, and last night was just a little bit of bad luck when he was stretching to recover the ball. To me he pulled out of it as much as he could, but with VAR he was always gonna be punished.

We do seem to be getting things going against us this season, but as Ange says, it should build resilience long term.

 

[jonnyp]

Literally 5 posts above yours is someone writing him off.

I meant in general. I said not that many in my second sentence if you'd bothered to read it.

 

[dontcallme]

There’ll always be ott responses to something like this.

A few of our players need to learn when to be aggressive and when to rein it in.

It’s fine to criticise him for this but he’s still a quality player and important to the team.

 

[theShiznit]

I thought he was a bit unlucky TBH.

I have no problem with the red being issued but don't think it was as bad as is being made out.
For starters the ball bounced just before he went to tackle, so he has to guess how high the ball is going to bounce (just like a player that doesn't quite meet a half volley on the bounce has to guess and often as a result there is a wayward shot)
Also he goes in side footed, so this is not an attempt to do someone, as you're as likely to injure yourself opening up your leg like he did (Romero will tell you a straight leg is much more effective to injure someone ) If he had got the ball, he would have side footed it away and probably got none of the man, but it bounced low and as a result his follow through was higher and side of foot turned to a glance with his studs/underside of boot.

One query though, someone above said it's a 4 match ban? why would that be?
His booking was removed/upgraded and his other sending off was just for two yellows, so i am unclear on why that would be the case...

 

[talkshowhost86]

I thought he was a bit unlucky TBH.

I have no problem with the red being issued but don't think it was as bad as is being made out.
For starters the ball bounced just before he went to tackle, so he has to guess how high the ball is going to bounce (just like a player that doesn't quite meet a volley on the full has to guess and often as a result there is a wayward shot)
Also he goes in side footed, so this is not an attempt to do someone, as you're as likely to injure yourself opening up your leg like he did (Romero will tell you a straight leg is much more effective to injure someone ) If he had got the ball, he would have side footed it away and probably got none of the man, but it bounced low and as a result his follow through was higher and side of foot turned to a glance with his studs/underside of boot.

One query though, someone above said it's a 4 match ban? why would that be?
His booking was removed/upgraded and his other sending off was just for two yellows, so i am unclear on why that would be the case...

I think with the rules the way they are now going in for a tackle in the way he did was risky and naive.

And as for the suspension, it would be a three match ban for a straight red, but it's an extra game as its his second red of the season.

 

[Nocando]

I thought he was a bit unlucky TBH.

I have no problem with the red being issued but don't think it was as bad as is being made out.
For starters the ball bounced just before he went to tackle, so he has to guess how high the ball is going to bounce (just like a player that doesn't quite meet a volley on the full has to guess and often as a result there is a wayward shot)
Also he goes in side footed, so this is not an attempt to do someone, as you're as likely to injure yourself opening up your leg like he did (Romero will tell you a straight leg is much more effective to injure someone ) If he had got the ball, he would have side footed it away and probably got none of the man, but it bounced low and as a result his follow through was higher and side of foot turned to a glance with his studs/underside of boot.

One query though, someone above said it's a 4 match ban? why would that be?
His booking was removed/upgraded and his other sending off was just for two yellows, so i am unclear on why that would be the case...

I thought i was on my own thinking that. Perhaps I'm biased and wrong but i didn't think it was a red. He just scrapped Yates with his toes. It wasn't the full sole and studs ala Romero. In any Saturday or Sunday game that's never a red in my opinion.

Not sure I agree with some posts about his form here, I think we will miss him greatly.

 

[bubble07]

There’s a few things going on that have got him to this place. His general accumulation of yellows was a structural thing for me, as he was trying to stop counters and left a bit exposed too often.

The dive was just a silly brain fart that he’ll probably never do again, and last night was just a little bit of bad luck when he was stretching to recover the ball. To me he pulled out of it as much as he could, but with VAR he was always gonna be punished.

We do seem to be getting things going against us this season, but as Ange says, it should build resilience long term.

Wasn't 3 of his yellows for decent?

 

[dontcallme]

Wasn't 3 of his yellows for decent?

For being decent?

 

[Impspur1]

Anyone saying to bin or get rid I just cant take you seriously. We are supposed to be supporters but 1 or 2 things dont go right and you instantly ditch all support and bring the pitch forks out. The same people will be crying about there is no loyalty in the game when one of our players wants to leave. Was it stupid? Yes but grow up and stop overreacting.

absolutely and I don’t think many are saying to get rid, that would be madness. On his day he is one of the best, but he needs to curb this. He is no use to anyone sat in the r stands for 10-15 games a season, we simply do not have the strength in depth to accommodate both him and Romero’s ill discipline

 

[djhotspur]

The thing is, if our squad was built properly and we didn’t have all the injuries it would be fine.
Benta would come in and we’d be just as strong, plus we are at the start of our project. The issue is we are having to play hojberg at 6 and skipp at 8/10.

 

[Daytripper]

Didn't have much of a issue with him before the red card. He's still showing for the ball and moving it around fine. Its just how unnecessary both of his red cards have been. 2-0 up away and you go in knee height on a player.

He just needs to wise up. Udogies yellow was also unnecessary.

Udogies was never a yellow. Awful officiating yet again. He can count himself extremely unlucky to get booked for that

 

[Japhet]

I thought he was a bit unlucky TBH.

I have no problem with the red being issued but don't think it was as bad as is being made out.
For starters the ball bounced just before he went to tackle, so he has to guess how high the ball is going to bounce (just like a player that doesn't quite meet a volley on the full has to guess and often as a result there is a wayward shot)
Also he goes in side footed, so this is not an attempt to do someone, as you're as likely to injure yourself opening up your leg like he did (Romero will tell you a straight leg is much more effective to injure someone ) If he had got the ball, he would have side footed it away and probably got none of the man, but it bounced low and as a result his follow through was higher and side of foot turned to a glance with his studs/underside of boot.

One query though, someone above said it's a 4 match ban? why would that be?
His booking was removed/upgraded and his other sending off was just for two yellows, so i am unclear on why that would be the case...

I also think Yates got a tiny touch that moved the ball away. Without that touch, Bissouma gets the ball and it's a yellow at worst.

 

[ajspurs]

The thing is, if our squad was built properly and we didn’t have all the injuries it would be fine.
Benta would come in and we’d be just as strong, plus we are at the start of our project. The issue is we are having to play hojberg at 6 and skipp at 8/10.

I think that's what makes this instance all the more frustrating. Not necessarily because we don't have the depth to cover, but because the importance of not doing anything to receive a red at this very moment in time in our season alluded him.

I mean no one intentionally gets a red and I'm sure it's easier to say as such sitting from a couch as a fan, as opposed to being in the moment as a player, but it really feels like a let down when he's picked up a red to miss 4 games in a period where we really need him.

I don't want to get at him on a personal level or anything, but it's just a real shame.

 

[Nebby]

Udogies was never a yellow. Awful officiating yet again. He can count himself extremely unlucky to get booked for that

Yates should have been booked too for waving an imaginary card… but refs have stopped doing this for reasons best known to themselves.

 

[Gassin's finest]

I think he got unlucky to be honest, I've seen a bunch of those this season and no red be given. More sloppy than ill discipline imo.

Disappointing that he didn't fully snap Yates in two in the process though.

 

[mil1lion]

Doesn't matter if it's only just late or "incredibly late" it was late.

Of course it matters how late a foul is

 

[mil1lion]

It's definitely a red, catches the player just below the knee and misses the ball completely.

How often do players get caught above the knee missing a bouncing ball? The ball bounces up hence why his foot is up. Its not as cut and dry as its being made out. Its actually a difficult one. He tries to get a foot to a bouncing ball and just misses and catches the player. Even if it's a red it should only be 1 game suspension. I think people are being harsh on him too. It's not a nasty challenge, just a misjudged attempt to get a foot tot he ball. The timing is just unfortunate and if we didn't have so many out or he didn't already miss some games he wouldn't be criticised as much.

 

[neogenisis]

 

[theShiznit]

Yates should have been booked too for waving an imaginary card… but refs have stopped doing this for reasons best known to themselves.

They haven't though, that's the problem.

One ref will still book for it and another won't bother.
Saw someone booked for it last week.

 

[SA_Spurs]

Slow motion makes everything look so much worse than real time. The ball is bouncing up but Yates just gets a touch which nudges it forward and then Bissouma catches him with a glancing blow. I think it's borderline but the Ref was giving everything against us. The tackle that caught Porro (which Carragher thought was funny) was also late and studs up. I'm not saying that was a red, but give it the slowmo treatment and you might have got a Gary Neville Ooooh. Yates should have been booked multiple times before the incident in any case.

As to his form, anyone would find it more difficult not having Van de Ven and Maddison around. Bissouma will be back.

what about the elbow on davies? If Cuti did that it would have on super slow replay & he would have been shown a straight red. I think our players are tired of the double standards of officiating - we get penalised extra harshly for the same fouls & then opposition get off scott free.

Go back & watch both the Chelsea & Wolves games - the ref allows those teams to kick us all over the park & then our players start getting frustrated & try to give it back. Folks keep saying they should know better (I agree btw) but why are folks not talking about no other team getting officiated in this way. Its a stitch up post the liverpool game where the PGMOL screwed up but somehow we are getting the disbenefit of their dodgy officiating like it was us to made them make that dodgy decision. Also, does seem these plebs (PGMOL) are listening to commentary whilst officiating in HQ - classic example was chelsea game where it was only after commentators saw the replay, spotted Cuti's tackle & started saying that's bad, he's gotta go, he will end Enzo's career,etc., that they reviewed & sent him off.

As Ange says, the are re-officiating the game & they are being influenced by bias commentators which is why there are so many contentious decisions. As far as I am concerned, the PGMOL should not hear any commentary & should study the screen ONLY for obvious mistakes the ref makes. The whole refereeing setup in the UK is woefully amateur - no other county has as many farcical decisions or nonsensical 40 replays before a decision is made. Doesn't help that Mike Dean then smugly protects every referee by saying they made all the right decisions. It's just an old boys club protecting each other cos they think tech will replace them completely. Again, these officials are corrupt & I'm sure the players now know which ones will stitch them up.

Btw, Yates would literally have had to have broken someone's leg yesterday before he got a card & even then, he probably would've had a stern talking to. Whereas Sarr & Udogie got cards for nothing offences