Please explain: from where does this faith in Mauricio Pochettino arise?

[Sp3akerboxxx]

Lets be honest...other than getting the players training harder with double sessions and trying to get them running a bit more on the pitch...what exactly has Poch done at Spurs?

We also have a huge section of the squad that the manager doesn't trust and who are frozen out of the first team.

Its a shambles at Spurs at this point in time.

Was that to be unexpected after the shambles that was last season?

The squad needs to be redefined, and that takes time.

Before the season started I hoped for 6th, but looking at the squad and the atmosphere it was not difficult for me to envisage finishing 10th.

 

[xtrac]

Hmmm we were in a great position, yet tailed off with some poor performances and results, unforgivable they say!!
Heard that before somewhere, only difference is you aint calling for Poch's head!!!
"Give him another season they say"
" he needs time to float his phylosophy over the squad!! Yeah okay!! Its a project!! He will get it right if DL backs him!?? Pmsl yeah you sure!
But dont worry he turns average players into worldy's, doing wonders with Pauly and the other bench warmers!!!
Yeah but there shit anyway you say, okay you must know your onions
Next season we will be the mutts nuts, this Poch fella works miracles, well he did before he came to Spurs!!!

Roll on next season, cause this is shit!!

 

[lukespurs7]

Its hard to say if Potch is going to be good enough or not, but for me I think it would be just daft even contemplating getting rid of him we need some consistency.

Its a hard one though, while I'm not for one minute suggesting we need to look at getting rid of him some of his team selections and decisions throughout the whole season have been a bit concerning.

That having said you can always look it things both ways:

Potch is shit:
-Rigid tactics
-Poor team and captain selections
-Singling out players unfairly
-Lack of plan B
-Bad defensive record

But then you can equally give the argument that he's done a good job and I find it far easier to list reasons in this column:
-The squad is not well balanced and his has needed a season to sort it out
-The attitudes of a lot of the players aren't good enough and we need to get rid
-He's improved lots of young players e.g. Kane, Rose,Bentaleb, Mason, Dier etc
-We played very well vs Chelsea and Arsenal
-Our strikers are dog shite (Soldado & Ade) form and technique and a 21yr old kid has rescued us
-We got to a cup final
-We have played some lovely football at times
-It is only his first season

So for me I think we need to look at the situation realistically, make sure he gets players in he wants who will suit this formation and style he wants to play and then start to judge him after another season or mabye 2!!!

Yes some decisions have been a bit concerning but really its a difficult job and we are probably about where this squad deserves to be.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Welcome to bi-polar Spurs.

The team put in pathetic performances week in week out yet when you criticise the manager or players you get slammed because despite the manager/players consistent inability to deliver, they're all apparently Gods and things will miraculously improve next season.

 

[spursfan77]

I don't get why we play the same tactics and formation every week when it's only worked well a handful of times this season.

I don't want him sacked but then again I didn't really want him in the beginning. I don't actually know who I want but if Madrid sack ancelotti in the summer we'd be mad not to ask him if he fancies it.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I don't get why we play the same tactics and formation every week when it's only worked well a handful of times this season.

I don't want him sacked but then again I didn't really want him in the beginning. I don't actually know who I want but if Madrid sack ancelotti in the summer we'd be mad not to ask him if he fancies it.

And especially when the system is figured out by at least LvG & Sherwood + +

 

[Mustard]

I don't get why we play the same tactics and formation every week when it's only worked well a handful of times this season.

I don't want him sacked but then again I didn't really want him in the beginning. I don't actually know who I want but if Madrid sack ancelotti in the summer we'd be mad not to ask him if he fancies it.

I also didn't want him last season. I mean, who the fuck is he? But after a decade or so of Teflon Dans meddling I just want someone who is given a chance. Someone who can stamp his authority on the team. I don't think this guy is the answer in all honesty. But what's the alternative? No more revolving door chairmanship bullshit. Levy should stand or fall on his latest posting of manager.

Be nice if he could speak English. if he could make that effort I would be more comfortable in giving him the time. But the fact he doesn't seem to have to the inclination or intelligence definitely worries me.

I don't want him gone. I want him to succeed. If he goes then Levy should go too.

Fat chance.

 

[steve]

If the same thing happens this time next season he'll get the boot in the summer. Let's hope the team shows some improvement.

 

[spursfan77]

I also didn't want him last season. I mean, who the fuck is he? But after a decade or so of Teflon Dans meddling I just want someone who is given a chance. Someone who can stamp his authority on the team. I don't think this guy is the answer in all honesty. But what's the alternative? No more revolving door chairmanship bullshit. Levy should stand or fall on his latest posting of manager.

Be nice if he could speak English. if he could make that effort I would be more comfortable in giving him the time. But the fact he doesn't seem to have to the inclination or intelligence definitely worries me.

I don't want him gone. I want him to succeed. If he goes then Levy should go too.

Fat chance.

Pretty much my thoughts

 

[eViL]

Do you still feel this way?

Absolutely.

If we were getting relegated I'd be worried. We aren't.

Performances haven't been great but I've seen enough this season to be excited for the next.

 

[Monkey boy]

Playing Devils Advocate here but lets say Ancelotti gets the bullet in May and declares himself open to offers, would you?

 

[richard_gleeson]

We've basically got too many fannys in the team to play his system.

 

[TwanYid]

Careful boys, the "i told you so" brigade are gearing up to prematurely ejaculate all over the place.

Well, if it isn't everyone's favorite seizure-inducing screen name. How are you buddy?

A few things:

1) I'm not "gloating" (I did, however, prematurely ejaculate last night- but that's more a problem for the missus than for this board). Rather, I'm responding to some of the incredibly hateful, vitriolic, spiteful vicious garbage that I got in response to what was actually- in hindsight- a fairly level-headed OP.

2) Read it again if you dare. Though of course you won't, if you did you'd see that mine was an open-ended question- I asked SCers why they had so much faith in Pochettino; i.e., literally, what did they base this on? Where did it come from? I honestly- (again: honestly) wanted to understand the source. I've always been open about my lack of footballing knowledge; perhaps there was something I didn't know...I wanted to be enlightened, because I was mystified by how fervent the support was for this guy, the seemingly unquestioned, blind belief in a man who- to my mind- hadn't really done anything to merit it.

3) I wanted to see if there was anything beyond "we've fired a bunch of managers, we can't fire another." I hate(d) this logic. I mean, what the fuck does that even mean?!? So if Levy appointed a totally wrong candidate again then we would be compelled to stick with him no matter what?!? That's insane. Fucking up for the tenth time in a row is still fucking up- it's not like "staying the course" is going to undo the mistake and somehow make it better. Time doesn't correct fundamental errors.

Look- I don't hate Poch. I WANT him to do well. I have nothing against the guy. But at the same time I'm not going to believe in him just because we've sacked gaffers before- I mean that's ridiculous.

I posted this because I received a wellspring of hate (and tbh not much support), despite the fact that what I posted wasn't in any way disrespectful or distasteful. I asked questions, questions which- given our season thus far- deserved asking.

 

[whitesocks]

Playing Devils Advocate here but lets say Ancelotti gets the bullet in May and declares himself open to offers, would you?

Would we allow him to plaster his availability and desire to come spurs all over the back pages for a while, before he finally decided to go to Man city you mean?

 

[JonnySpurs]

I can only assume that some fans want a different manager every season, whether he's done a good job or not. It's embarrassing and frankly shameful.

Nobody is above criticism but some of our fans can only see as far back as the last result. Since losing the cup final we've won 3, drawn 1 and lost 2. One of those losses was to Utd who are currently smashing the champions and beat Liverpool too.

It's clear that we've not got a huge amount to play for anymore but if we can't see that Poch has done a good job with the tools he's been given then we really need a reality check.

It's been said before but I'll say it again, let's see how good of a job the man can do with his own tools. I'm betting it could end up being a bit of a masterpiece.

 

[panoma]

Imagine if Southampton grabbed a top four spot by beating City in the last game after beeing stripped last summer. That would be so embarrasing, especially for Poch.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I can only assume that some fans want a different manager every season, whether he's done a good job or not. It's embarrassing and frankly shameful.

Nobody is above criticism but some of our fans can only see as far back as the last result. Since losing the cup final we've won 3, drawn 1 and lost 2. One of those losses was to Utd who are currently smashing the champions and beat Liverpool too.

It's clear that we've not got a huge amount to play for anymore but if we can't see that Poch has done a good job with the tools he's been given then we really need a reality check.

It's been said before but I'll say it again, let's see how good of a job the man can do with his own tools. I'm betting it could end up being a bit of a masterpiece.

I can only assume that "someone" is incapable of the task of hiring a manager.

 

[parklane1]

This was posted on another site during the AVB dismissal which I then posted on here. It seems some fans gearing up once again to bitch about a manager.

(Not sure if the mods will let this live as a separate thread, but its not aimed at AVB, next manager, Levy, etc.

I look at the threads and reactions today, relief, disaster, uncertainty, people speaking of merry go rounds, who's fault, should AVB have stayed, should Harry have stayed, should BMJ have stayed, another system comes and goes, who's fault, why is Spurs, why is football like this where Pardew and Rodgers are senior managers in the PL?

My comment is we (include myself), need to take a long hard look in the mirror, chairmen did not go crazy overnight, their customers have, WE are the ones demanding instant success, must have CL, etc, etc. Lots of the posters who now question Levy were the loudest when results didn't go right (win/lose/style of play) under BMJ/Harry/AVB, not to mention those who just admit "I don't like the manager for personal reasons"

I despise Pool, scummy club, scummy fans with a victim mentality, yet the one quality their fans solely seem to have is a willingness to back the manager. I laugh at the suggestions that we missed out on Rodgers, did you recall his season last year? this entire board and most Spurs fans would have been calling for his head.

So in 6 months, when the next guy gets two bad results in a row, or wins 2-0 but without any flair and you jeer, boo, jump on GG and knee jerk, remember you create the world we live in)

 

[JerryGarcia]

Hmmm we were in a great position, yet tailed off with some poor performances and results, unforgivable they say!!
Heard that before somewhere, only difference is you aint calling for Poch's head!!!
"Give him another season they say"
" he needs time to float his phylosophy over the squad!! Yeah okay!! Its a project!! He will get it right if DL backs him!?? Pmsl yeah you sure!
But dont worry he turns average players into worldy's, doing wonders with Pauly and the other bench warmers!!!
Yeah but there shit anyway you say, okay you must know your onions
Next season we will be the mutts nuts, this Poch fella works miracles, well he did before he came to Spurs!!!

Roll on next season, cause this is shit!!

Ahh, the first one of the year to go bat shit crazy. If we measure the time between that post and the next person to go nuts, could we start to calculate Poch's estimated lifespan as Spurs boss?

 

[TwanYid]

This was posted on another site during the AVB dismissal which I then posted on here. It seems some fans gearing up once again to bitch about a manager.

(Not sure if the mods will let this live as a separate thread, but its not aimed at AVB, next manager, Levy, etc.

I look at the threads and reactions today, relief, disaster, uncertainty, people speaking of merry go rounds, who's fault, should AVB have stayed, should Harry have stayed, should BMJ have stayed, another system comes and goes, who's fault, why is Spurs, why is football like this where Pardew and Rodgers are senior managers in the PL?

My comment is we (include myself), need to take a long hard look in the mirror, chairmen did not go crazy overnight, their customers have, WE are the ones demanding instant success, must have CL, etc, etc. Lots of the posters who now question Levy were the loudest when results didn't go right (win/lose/style of play) under BMJ/Harry/AVB, not to mention those who just admit "I don't like the manager for personal reasons"

I despise Pool, scummy club, scummy fans with a victim mentality, yet the one quality their fans solely seem to have is a willingness to back the manager. I laugh at the suggestions that we missed out on Rodgers, did you recall his season last year? this entire board and most Spurs fans would have been calling for his head.

So in 6 months, when the next guy gets two bad results in a row, or wins 2-0 but without any flair and you jeer, boo, jump on GG and knee jerk, remember you create the world we live in)

No offense but that- for some of us- this is crap.

-I always liked Jol.
-I didn't want Ramos because I liked Jol.
-I liked Harry because Ramos was a fucking disaster.
-I didn't want AVB because I liked Harry.
-I didn't want Sherwood but after AVB I didn't really care who we got to be interim manager.
-I didn't want Poch and would NOT have replaced even Sherwood- a guy I wasn't crazy about- with him. My feelings at the time of his hiring were "we might as well have stuck with Timmy. This guy will do no better, and will likely do worse."
-I was right.

To say we all demand success and would want so-and-so out at the slightest mishap is bullshit. Many of us support the good managers (Jol, Redknapp) and loathe the bad ones (Ramos, AVB) whilst remaining indifferent to the unproven lot (Sherwood, Poch). So it's not as simple as "whomever we get we turn on." That's a gross overstatement that attempts to blame the victim for Levy's absolutely fucking mental level of ineptitude.