Please explain: from where does this faith in Mauricio Pochettino arise?

[Everlasting Seconds]

No offense but that- for some of us- this is crap.

-I always liked Jol.
-I didn't want Ramos because I liked Jol.
-I liked Harry because Ramos was a fucking disaster.
-I didn't want AVB because I liked Harry.
-I didn't want Sherwood but after AVB I didn't really care who we got to be interim manager.
-I didn't want Poch and would NOT have replaced even Sherwood- a guy I wasn't crazy about- with him. My feelings at the time of his hiring were "we might as well have stuck with Timmy. This guy will do no better, and will likely do worse."
-I was right.

To say we all demand success and would want so-and-so out at the slightest mishap is bullshit. Many of us support the good managers (Jol, Redknapp) and loathe the bad ones (Ramos, AVB) whilst remaining indifferent to the unproven lot (Sherwood, Poch). So it's not as simple as "whomever we get we turn on." That's a gross overstatement that attempts to blame the victim for Levy's absolutely fucking mental ineptitude.

I agree on the intent, even though we differ on some of the managers.

Jol was OK, I didn't want him out
I didn't want Ramos at the club
I didn't want Redknapp fired at all
I wanted AVB to be given far more time and at least 1 more preseason
I didn't want Sherwood, and would take anyone over him
I preferred FdB and thought he could have done great
I thought Pochettino's work at Saints wasn't all that, I thought his flaws were staring us in the face, and hoped he wouldn't be hired.
I believe that Pohcettino shouldn't be to protected nor his tenure prolonged beyond reason simply because we have a long list of head coaches and several short tenures. A bad appointment, if Poch is that, must come to and end regardless of how often we've changed head coach in the past.

 

[double0]

I think perceptivity is needed. It was always going to be a challenge this season with a new manager evaluating the squad then realising half of the players available ain't of the required quality to function within the system that Pochettinho demands. Part of that failure (it seems we're stuttering to the finish line) could be directed towards Pochettinho for not being flexible enough to devise a system that suits the mass, however prase and admiration can also be directed for being true to his philosophy...I personally favour the latter.

I think this season has been very beneficial for the fans the director of football the head coach that we need squad adjustments, the Bale money was not wisely spent we can clearly see that now, that being what it is we've had to tap into our development players and been pleasantly surprised with the quality coming through. The need to throw these players into the line of fire baring in mind their lack of experience at this level imo has been remarkable.. Although we still here people complaining about Mason and Bentaleb totally short sightedness, little if not nothing said about our more experienced players such as Vertonghen Dembele Ade(personal problem aside) Paulinho etc that have failed to man up and guide the team. It has been left to Kane Bentaleb Mason and Rose let us remember the vail abuse he recieved.

Defeat at home to Villa has heighten our underlining initial thoughts that the squad isn't balanced we all knew this therefore the season started so what we have achieved thus far under Pochettinho has been progress the question now is Levy our scouting network DoF in backing the Manager with the correct players... ManU having stumbled went out and blew 200m, we're not in that bracket obviously but we need to get the balance right between buys and development.

 

[defoe18]

When will people realise sacking the Manager every other season doesn't work, we need a long period of stability to allow the squad to grow again. The amount of turnover (both coaches and players) in the last few years has been ridiculous.

 

[shelfboy68]

I think perceptivity is needed. It was always going to be a challenge this season with a new manager evaluating the squad then realising half of the players available ain't of the required quality to function within the system that Pochettinho demands. Part of that failure (it seems we're stuttering to the finish line) could be directed towards Pochettinho for not being flexible enough to devise a system that suits the mass, however prase and admiration can also be directed for being true to his philosophy...I personally favour the latter.

I think this season has been very beneficial for the fans the director of football the head coach that we need squad adjustments, the Bale money was not wisely spent we can clearly see that now, that being what it is we've had to tap into our development players and been pleasantly surprised with the quality coming through. The need to throw these players into the line of fire baring in mind their lack of experience at this level imo has been remarkable.. Although we still here people complaining about Mason and Bentaleb totally short sightedness, little if not nothing said about our more experienced players such as Vertonghen Dembele Ade(personal problem aside) Paulinho etc that have failed to man up and guide the team. It has been left to Kane Bentaleb Mason and Rose let us remember the vail abuse he recieved.

Defeat at home to Villa has heighten our underlining initial thoughts that the squad isn't balanced we all knew this therefore the season started so what we have achieved thus far under Pochettinho has been progress the question now is Levy our scouting network DoF in backing the Manager with the correct players... ManU having stumbled went out and blew 200m, we're not in that bracket obviously but we need to get the balance right between buys and development.

Balanced squad or not you should beat villa,newcastle,palace and West brom at home we didnt beat any of them, that is simply not good enough.

 

[tooey]

The overwhelming opinion was that this season was a bedding period and we finished wherever we finished. "Continuity!" they screamed. A cup final and 7th place later "Out!" they scream. Jesus fucking Christ, some people. Whilst I am slightly concerned over some team selections and his insistence on playing out of form players in the same system week in week out, lets give him a chance.

 

[double0]

Balanced squad or not you should beat villa,newcastle,palace and West brom at home we didnt beat any of them, that is simply not good enough.

We should indeed beat those teams but non of these teams played European football got to a final of a domestic cup are above us in the league.. I hear what you're saying we lost it hurts that's football.

 

[shelfboy68]

We should indeed beat those teams but non of these teams played European football got to a final of a domestic cup are above us in the league.. I hear what you're saying we lost it hurts that's football.

Yes i know we are all grateful for reaching a cup final of which we lost to the best team we met while nearly throwing away the semi, and yes 7th is also great but to have that happen more than once is far more than "just football" mate.
Its a sign of chronic weak mentality and atrocious team defending again which is not good enough.

 

[double0]

Yes i know we are all grateful for reaching a cup final of which we lost to the best team we met while nearly throwing away the semi, and yes 7th is also great but to have that happen more than once is far more than "just football" mate.
Its a sign of chronic weak mentality and atrocious team defending again which is not good enough.

I agree and I blame the senior players at the back especially Vertonghen Walker though they never played against Villa others such as Paulinho Dembele Ade Capoue Soldado Kaboul had been given chance and just haven't put the work in....Pochettinho has been in a way forced to rely on inexperienced players so these results will happen. Prior to that defeat against Villa I believe we went 10 games unbeaten at WHL.

 

[shelfboy68]

I agree and I blame the senior players at the back especially Vertonghen Walker though they never played against Villa others such as Paulinho Dembele Ade Capoue Soldado Kaboul had been given chance and just haven't put the work in....Pochettinho has been in a way forced to rely on inexperienced players so these results will happen. Prior to that defeat against Villa I believe we went 10 games unbeaten at WHL.

Thats true although again i still cant accept losing so easily and with alarming regularity to these average sides.

 

[dondo]

The overwhelming opinion was that this season was a bedding period and we finished wherever we finished. "Continuity!" they screamed. A cup final and 7th place later "Out!" they scream. Jesus fucking Christ, some people. Whilst I am slightly concerned over some team selections and his insistence on playing out of form players in the same system week in week out, lets give him a chance.

Nobody is calling for him to be sacked as far as I know but the signs are not looking good .
He needs to be backed in the transfer market and barring any disasters need at least the season to be judged with more suited players but this is spurs and a bad start next season and he will be out IMO

 

[Kilkenny Cat]

Lets be honest...other than getting the players training harder with double sessions and trying to get them running a bit more on the pitch...what exactly has Poch done at Spurs?

We also have a huge section of the squad that the manager doesn't trust and who are frozen out of the first team.

Er, surely not trusting Adebayor, Kaboul et al is a point in Pochettino's favour? ALL managers who join a new club soon form an opinion about which players they can rely on and which they can't.

 

[TottenhamMattSpur]

When will people realise sacking the Manager every other season doesn't work, we need a long period of stability to allow the squad to grow again. The amount of turnover (both coaches and players) in the last few years has been ridiculous.

I have two words for you.
Villa. And Lambert.

Sticking with a coach that's shit makes you shit. So shit that even Sherwood is a revelation.
Much like Lambert Poch was a highly regarded (by some) young manager last season.
I can see worrying similarities with their inability to do anything at all about it.

 

[parklane1]

No offense but that- for some of us- this is crap.

-I always liked Jol.
-I didn't want Ramos because I liked Jol.
-I liked Harry because Ramos was a fucking disaster.
-I didn't want AVB because I liked Harry.
-I didn't want Sherwood but after AVB I didn't really care who we got to be interim manager.
-I didn't want Poch and would NOT have replaced even Sherwood- a guy I wasn't crazy about- with him. My feelings at the time of his hiring were "we might as well have stuck with Timmy. This guy will do no better, and will likely do worse."
-I was right.

To say we all demand success and would want so-and-so out at the slightest mishap is bullshit. Many of us support the good managers (Jol, Redknapp) and loathe the bad ones (Ramos, AVB) whilst remaining indifferent to the unproven lot (Sherwood, Poch). So it's not as simple as "whomever we get we turn on." That's a gross overstatement that attempts to blame the victim for Levy's absolutely fucking mental level of ineptitude.


No offense taken, however seeing as you started this thread 3 months into the season we all know that you had already made your mind up about Poch. Anyone who can see/ say ( after 3 months) what type of manager we have has already made their mind up, typical knee-jerk fan. But please do not take offense.

 

[alfie103]

Balanced squad or not you should beat villa,newcastle,palace and West brom at home we didnt beat any of them, that is simply not good enough.

We lost to these level of teams even under redknapp when we had players like bale and modric.

 

[dontcallme]

When will people realise sacking the Manager every other season doesn't work, we need a long period of stability to allow the squad to grow again. The amount of turnover (both coaches and players) in the last few years has been ridiculous.

I think people do realise this. The question is who is the right manager.

Some like the big characters like Jol and Redknapp while others like the managers who focus on a technical playing style like Poch or AVB.

Some people think managers like Poch aren't successful or the right fit for the club and they debate their view.

Kind of what a forum is for.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

When will people realise sacking the Manager every other season doesn't work, we need a long period of stability to allow the squad to grow again. The amount of turnover (both coaches and players) in the last few years has been ridiculous.

There is a level of balance to this issue though. If a manager is a bad one, and was a bad appointment, he doesn't have any divine right to be kept in his position simply because we've already had a high turnover. If you throw out a few strawberries, do you start eating when you come to a really bad one just because you threw out a few decent one already? We all would love a long long term head coach, but it must be the right one. Not only the one who just happens to be in charge at any given time.

 

[SlunkSoma]

Poch is taking the squad to task this season, and weeding out the players who aren't putting a shift in - something we've needed for many years. Senior players thought they could kick up a fuss and get their way, theyve been found out. Poch needs next season and the one after to be fully judged. He is only in phase 1.

 

[Indacupfortottenham]

I'm content with the job he has done with the squad he inherited.
Most of the big money signings haven't lived up to expectations as we all know and I thought he may have got one or two more going, namely Lamela but to his credit he has seemingly picked his teams on merit and some of the squad and younger players have shown huge improvement under Poch.
Rose, Kane, Chadli , Bentaleb, Dier, Mason and Eriksen have come on leaps and bounds this season I think , some of those players are looking a bit burnt out of late which is to be expected with the number of games we have played. And some may say we should of utilised the squad more , but there are lots of positives from Poch's time in charge so far for me.

Weather he has instilled a team spirit within this group or not there clearly is one, that Harry Kane epitamises, and that is priceless.

He has instilled a style of football and some of our work pressing and fighting without the ball, while breaking with pace and power with it has been a joy to watch this season.

I'm looking forward to see what him and Mitchell can do rebuilding the squad and developing young talent, I'm excited to see how Pritchard, Yedlin and Carroll get on next season. Lots to look forward to!
This season was always going to be a transitional one and we are pretty much where I thought we would be.

 

[Mr.D]

You lot should've tried watching when Terry Neil was in charge.
And yes, I'm a dinosaur.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Well, if it isn't everyone's favorite seizure-inducing screen name. How are you buddy?

A few things:

1) I'm not "gloating" (I did, however, prematurely ejaculate last night- but that's more a problem for the missus than for this board). Rather, I'm responding to some of the incredibly hateful, vitriolic, spiteful vicious garbage that I got in response to what was actually- in hindsight- a fairly level-headed OP.

2) Read it again if you dare. Though of course you won't, if you did you'd see that mine was an open-ended question- I asked SCers why they had so much faith in Pochettino; i.e., literally, what did they base this on? Where did it come from? I honestly- (again: honestly) wanted to understand the source. I've always been open about my lack of footballing knowledge; perhaps there was something I didn't know...I wanted to be enlightened, because I was mystified by how fervent the support was for this guy, the seemingly unquestioned, blind belief in a man who- to my mind- hadn't really done anything to merit it.

3) I wanted to see if there was anything beyond "we've fired a bunch of managers, we can't fire another." I hate(d) this logic. I mean, what the fuck does that even mean?!? So if Levy appointed a totally wrong candidate again then we would be compelled to stick with him no matter what?!? That's insane. Fucking up for the tenth time in a row is still fucking up- it's not like "staying the course" is going to undo the mistake and somehow make it better. Time doesn't correct fundamental errors.

Look- I don't hate Poch. I WANT him to do well. I have nothing against the guy. But at the same time I'm not going to believe in him just because we've sacked gaffers before- I mean that's ridiculous.

I posted this because I received a wellspring of hate (and tbh not much support), despite the fact that what I posted wasn't in any way disrespectful or distasteful. I asked questions, questions which- given our season thus far- deserved asking.

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