Poch: In or Out? - You CAN change your vote

[jondy1]

I posted in February that the man was clueless after sitting 10 yds away from him in the Chelsea defeat and he stood there with his arms folded and didn’t do a thing to alter the tactics or encourage the team, but I will always get behind the team Whoever is the manager and I would like to see him go today

 

[Mr Pink]

I want him to stay but if he hasn't learned that diamond isn't working, and it shouldn't of taken anywhere near this long, by now and does the same on Saturday time is up.

Such stubbornness either equates to sell sabatgoge, arrogance or an inability to see the wood from the trees in our current mess.

At the end of the day our trajectory is downwards, and that's not changing and will continue to get worse if things remain unchanged.

Levy can't ignore that for much longer.

Last chance saloon has arrived imo.

 

[Ron Burgundy]

Out. It's the end of an era. Managers have a shelf life and he's reached his.

- Too many players wanting to leave
- Too many players out of form
- Too many players uncomfortable with a system it's plainly obvious doesn't work
- No seeming positive effect (arguably negative) of this supposed 'hyper fitness' we try and instill - all our players look knackered
- A defensive shambles - both organisationally and in terms of personnel, they all look like a mixed of being out of form, past their best or lacking quality

He's been the best Spurs manager since God knows who, and obviously we all love him, but I believe the problems in the squad are now so far reaching that I don't believe he can fix them. I think it needs someone new to come in. Gutting, but I just think this generation, under this manager is done.

And for whoever comes in - good luck. There's the basis of a bloody good squad but you could make a case (I'm not saying I would but you could...) for needing a totally new back four and DM.

 

[kannanmothalali]

Poch out. Levy out. Oil money in.

 

[nailsy]

Having slept on it I'd give him a couple more games because this might just be the wake up call he needs to start listening to the players and change the tactics. I've got no faith that he will because he's so stubborn, but I think he deserves the chance. The annoying part of all this is that if he'd just go back to how we used to play you'd see an instant improvement. Where has the press gone for a start? What was worrying last night was that he didn't seem to have a clue how to stop Bayern scoring. He barely reacted. The players don't seem to want to fight for him either which is a big worry. Trix has said a few times recently that the players are fed-up with him and his tactics and it looked like it last night. If he has lost the dressing room it doesn't really matter if any of us want him to stay as it's inevitable that he'll leave.

Ok so say we get someone in - firstly who? secondly what are they going to do with a bunch of fuckers who know they will en dup leaving in a few months time i.e. Rose, CE, Verts, Toby, Aurier

It is optimism that some want to stay with Poch, im one of them but could it not also be having faith in him to turn it around and the loyalty? Then again i contradict myself again because the fucker has annoyed me with his press conferences in the past particularly when it came to Manure and RM

Why do all those players want to leave? Would they still want to leave if Poch left? Jan says he loves it here, we've had lots of ITK saying Toby won't be offered a new contract while Poch is at the club, Rose and Aurier were deemed surplus to requirements in the summer so I'm not sure they were the one's pushing for the move - there were certainly rumours that Rose wanted to stay. Eriksen will still want to leave if he can get a move to Madrid/Barca/Juventus, etc. If he doesn't get that big move and we brought in someone like Allegri, or Jose would he want to stay? Who knows. You could probably get at least two of the players listed to sign a contract extension which would remove the uncertainty against them for the rest of the season. You could even still sell them in the summer if you wanted to.

I voted stay. The fantastic league positions he has lead us to over the past 4 years mean he deserves a season to get it right again. I think some historical perspective about where we normally finish in the league needs some consideration here. This run of top 4 positions including a second and two thirds earns the man some slack in my mind. Why would anyone else do better with a squad where 4 or 5 are in the contractual position they are and 2 of your 3 new signings aren’t yet fit?

They players aren't fighting for Poch. They probably would fight for a new manager. Lots of players who are in the last year of their contract or know they are leaving still play well and give their all. A new manager might also coach the team better and get us playing with a style that the players like and respond to.

 

[spursfan77]

Two out of three players Pochettino believed could improve the squad. Unless Sessegnon is suspended, in which case Foyth would still be a massive upgrade on Aurier.

Aurier has been bad, but I wouldn’t pin our hopes on a centre back playing right back solving all our problems.

It would be nice to have a player who plays fullback that doesn’t need to be babysat through 90 minutes every week.

Or if we can’t do that then play 352 to solve the problem. Something that seems to have been completely forgotten because the manager persists with the same awful formation week after week.

 

[sidford]

The worst part about last night was after 30 minutes we looked done for. The players were shattered, we played a high intensity game for 30 minutes and they were dead on their feet after it.
That used to be our game plan but shows how far away from that we are.
He is the best manager in my time as a spurs fan (37 years) but his time is up imo as the performances since last Xmas have not been good enough and now fitness levels are a real concern.
It's not all his fault, Levy has a lot to answer for but unfortunately getting rid of a manager is a lot easier than a chairman.

 

[spursfan77]

It's funny, we had a whole season last year of hearing the World Cup tired out the squas as an excuse for our shit performances. It's got even worse since then, what's the excuse this time? It seems it's never Poch's fault to some on here.

The nearly man who has never been quite good enough.

The only reason levy might not sack him is because he’ll be terrified of him going to Man U and being a success and then us looking like a laughing stock.

Can’t let top 4 get away from us though.

 

[spursfan77]

I want him to stay but if he hasn't learned that diamond isn't working, and it shouldn't of taken anywhere near this long, by now and does the same on Saturday time is up.

Such stubbornness either equates to sell sabatgoge, arrogance or an inability to see the wood from the trees in our current mess.

At the end of the day our trajectory is downwards, and that's not changing and will continue to get worse if things remain unchanged.

Levy can't ignore that for much longer.

Last chance saloon has arrived imo.

He’s not going to though mate, he hasn’t learnt in over a year so isn’t going to suddenly now.

I suspect he’ll get sacked after we get battered away at Liverpool.

 

[hughy]

Having slept on it I'd give him a couple more games because this might just be the wake up call he needs to start listening to the players and change the tactics. I've got no faith that he will because he's so stubborn, but I think he deserves the chance. The annoying part of all this is that if he'd just go back to how we used to play you'd see an instant improvement. Where has the press gone for a start? What was worrying last night was that he didn't seem to have a clue how to stop Bayern scoring. He barely reacted. The players don't seem to want to fight for him either which is a big worry. Trix has said a few times recently that the players are fed-up with him and his tactics and it looked like it last night. If he has lost the dressing room it doesn't really matter if any of us want him to stay as it's inevitable that he'll leave.



Why do all those players want to leave? Would they still want to leave if Poch left? Jan says he loves it here, we've had lots of ITK saying Toby won't be offered a new contract while Poch is at the club, Rose and Aurier were deemed surplus to requirements in the summer so I'm not sure they were the one's pushing for the move - there were certainly rumours that Rose wanted to stay. Eriksen will still want to leave if he can get a move to Madrid/Barca/Juventus, etc. If he doesn't get that big move and we brought in someone like Allegri, or Jose would he want to stay? Who knows. You could probably get at least two of the players listed to sign a contract extension which would remove the uncertainty against them for the rest of the season. You could even still sell them in the summer if you wanted to.



They players aren't fighting for Poch. They probably would fight for a new manager. Lots of players who are in the last year of their contract or know they are leaving still play well and give their all. A new manager might also coach the team better and get us playing with a style that the players like and respond to.

I thought that for the Newcastle game. I thought that for the Leicester game. I thought that for numerous games last season.

I've also slept on it, and I can't see a way back for him now. Part of me feels like there's already a "stand off" between him and Levy. Poch wants a nice package if he gets sacked, and Levy wants him to walk so he doesn't have to pay out.

It's fucking messy and I don't like it. Either way, I don't think he'll be here past the international break.

 

[Crash]

He'll probably just walk of his own accord. He's been threatening to do not for awhile now

 

[Tucker]

Honestly hope he’s gone by the end of the day. We can’t go on like this.

 

[Primativ]

To the people that want Poch to stay, why do you still want to give him more time to turn it around when he has already had ONE YEAR to turn it around and still hasn’t done it?

What exactly are you hoping and waiting for?

Did you not see tonight a squad that has stopped playing for the manager? After 30 minutes our players were dead on their feet. Our tactics were an abomination. In the second half we were an embarrassment and this has been the long line of poor performances.

Just what have you been watching for the last year?

Did you not see how flukey our CL run was? It was the same thing then. Look at how many goals we conceded to Ajax away and city away? Miraculously we managed to draw those games to get through but it was more of the same shambolic defending. We’ve been a piss poor side for quite some time. When was the last time you watched us play and thought we looked a convincing side?

The rot has been set in for ages now. Time to wake up.

 

[mike_l]

He'll probably just walk of his own accord. He's been threatening to do not for awhile now

Just need to win away at Brighton and he can walk away saying he's reached the pinnacle, achieved all he can and just can't take the overwhelming glory any longer so he's off back to Argentina to bask in the first away win since January for the rest of time.

 

[Yiddo100]

Poch out. Levy out. Oil money in.

Would want oil money on a season long loan, spend £2b win a couple of trophies, then back to how we normally operate

 

[Bulletspur]

A lot of things to sort out at the club but the coach is not the main one. Once again our lack of an on field skipper is hurting us. We need someone to grab hold of them when under pressure and lift them. To me your keeper and centre forward are not the player to do it. The player doesn't even have to be a super star but possess heart.

Right on the button!

This is a consequence of failing to invest and freshen the squad over the last two years. We got lucky last season but this luck has run its course

I disagree. The players in our current squad are good enough to beat any team. Our poor performances is a consequence of Poch's tactics and game management naivety.

 

[nailsy]

I thought that for the Newcastle game. I thought that for the Leicester game. I thought that for numerous games last season.

I've also slept on it, and I can't see a way back for him now. Part of me feels like there's already a "stand off" between him and Levy. Poch wants a nice package if he gets sacked, and Levy wants him to walk so he doesn't have to pay out.

It's fucking messy and I don't like it. Either way, I don't think he'll be here past the international break.

I agree, he's too stubborn to change it on his own. He needs someone - Levy, Jesus, Kane, Lloris - to tell him that the tactics aren't working and that he needs to change them. Even then I doubt he'd listen to them.

I still think Levy might hold off and see if United or Real sack their manager and come calling for Poch, but it's starting to look like we're going to be the one's who need to pull the trigger first.

 

[The Opinionated Lurker]

Poch around 2017 was practically a god to me. I genuinely couldn’t see much wrong and thought trophies were genuinely around the corner. Two years later the squad seems finished and there’s barely been a personnel change. We’ve spent 2019 getting embarrassed. I think Poch is living on borrowed time now. However, so are most of the squad. Come next summer I’d imagine we’ll be seeming a relatively new look Tottenham, whether ENIC build a good side is anyone’s guess

 

[robin09]

Stay. After 5 years of almost continual improvement, the coaching staff deserve a little bit of slack.

Especially as most of the problems within the squad are down to a couple of years without investing, as well as uncertainty due to not making tough decisions on Eriksen, Toby and Jan to sell or convincing them to sign new deals. None of which is within Poch's area of responsibility.

The sense of entitlement from some Spurs fans this season is embarrassing.

 

[spursfan77]

I would add Ndombele and the Subs in the Son and Kane camp

He had a very good 35 minutes but after that he was finished. His fitness is a real concern. No professional football player shouldn't be able to complete 45 minutes of a game if they're fully fit, especially one that cost 60 million quid.

I like him though, he's a very good player.