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Poch needs to take a long hard look at himself.

Hazardousman

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We can sit here and blame the players but I think that would be too easy at this point, Poch seems to have granted himself lots of excuses because of last season but we seem to be massively regressing and fast.

There are a few reasons why I believe we are, the first is his absolute persistence with Wanyama in midfield, don't get me wrong, Wanyama is a tidy player, I like him, however we have basically taken away what was working last season for no apparent reason other than to force Wanyama in the side. Tactically it has made us more predictable, less offensive, it is congesting our central midfield and suffocating our attacking play, Poch needs to remove his favouritism and stop being stubborn, that was the very thing that got AVB sacked.

Wimmer and Verts are perfectly capable of playing at CB, we need to take more risks going forward, introduce Dier/Dembele in midfield and let Wanyama sit one out on the bench, I thought that was why we brought him in anyway? As cover? Not as a replacement for Dier?

We may be unbeaten in the league but it is utterly destroying us going forward, once we lose our first game (and trust me, it's coming, West Ham was a get out of jail free card) then this season is going to start looking a lot worse than it is currently.

Secondly, our performances in the CL have been not only utterly disgraceful but completely embarrassing, we spend years trying to get back into this competition and then this is how we perform? We somehow managed to perform worse than we did in the EL, how that is even possible I will never know, is he not motivating the players anymore?

That brings me to my next point, something has changed, you can see it, the players aren't running as hard as they were last season, they aren't pressing like they were, you can see the passion isn't there, I have to seriously ask the question now, what's going on? Has he lost a few of them? Are some of them getting a little bit too big for their own boots? Is Poch training them too hard? Are they losing faith in him as a manager slightly? Is his favouritism annoying certain players?

I mean, it's hard to really understand what's going on but I certainly do believe a lot of the issues we are having right now are because of Poch, we should not be regressing like we are in terms of the football we are playing, I know many will say we are unbeaten and cite us coming back to beat West Ham as proof of passion remaining and I do agree to some extent but I also think that West Ham game was a team in 17th place, shipping goals for fun most weeks who gave away two very sloppy goals, I don't think it's an indication of how great we were because frankly West Ham could have beaten us, they were very comfortable for the majority of the game and they are a team in turmoil, the fact is this, that Man City performance was leagues above anything we have seen since and we have had a worrying drop off since then.

I don't think our injuries are the problem either, I think tactically we are suffering, we are not going wide enough, not using our FB's enough, we are congesting the midfield trying to play the ball through, our attacking players are not moving around enough, not unpredictable enough because the system is too defensively rigid, we are a far cry from last season frankly and on top of all of that our pressing is basically gone, it just isn't happening anymore.

Poch isn't above criticism, I think something needs to change and fast because the way we are going it is only going to get worse, it can basically go one or two ways, we are going to improve and improve fast and this season will turn out to be one to remember or we are going to regress even further and if the latter happens well, I worry for us, I really do because the team morale isn't exactly high as things stand, we start adding a few losses and it could get really bad.

I hope Poch isn't feeling too comfortable, he needs to ask questions of his own decisions and the players and rectify the mistakes before it's too late, last season means nothing now, it's over, we have to start understanding that if we want to go forward as a club we have to start showing we have the mentality and the heart and the spirit to do so but more importantly, the intelligence to do so as well.
 

thfc1973

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I opened the thread up and didn't bother to read - such is my feeling about tonight - kind of like the way the team played, and probably the same feeling as Poch had which is why he put that shite team and formation out and shoveled that pile of shite down our throats!
 

Damian99

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I don't know if something is wrong behind the scenes or the players are all off form at the same time, but whatever it is nobody should take exception at fans now questioning Pochs management - if he's going to get praise and plaudits for his work last season and the performances, then he can also get criticism and be be questioned for shit like we have put up with tonight.
 

nedley

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What's Poch had to say for himself tonight?

Absolute disgrace along with the players.

Lost a lot of respect for him.
 

yankspurs

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This season has largely been a complete shower of shit. Slow, turgid, passionless football. Levy backed Poch with players he asked for spending close to £60m for the trio and only one has even been halfway decent, the cheapest one. People here are so quick to absolve Poch for absolutely no reason.

Also, constantly rotating the team in the crown jewel of club football competition and not once playing your strongest XI is, for me, a sackable offense.
 

Hazardousman

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What's Poch had to say for himself tonight?

Absolute disgrace along with the players.

Lost a lot of respect for him.

Not seen anything yet but an apology should be the first thing out of his mouth quite frankly.
 

mrlilywhite

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We can sit here and blame the players but I think that would be too easy at this point, Poch seems to have granted himself lots of excuses because of last season but we seem to be massively regressing and fast.

There are a few reasons why I believe we are, the first is his absolute persistence with Wanyama in midfield, don't get me wrong, Wanyama is a tidy player, I like him, however we have basically taken away what was working last season for no apparent reason other than to force Wanyama in the side. Tactically it has made us more predictable, less offensive, it is congesting our central midfield and suffocating our attacking play, Poch needs to remove his favouritism and stop being stubborn, that was the very thing that got AVB sacked.

Wimmer and Verts are perfectly capable of playing at CB, we need to take more risks going forward, introduce Dier/Dembele in midfield and let Wanyama sit one out on the bench, I thought that was why we brought him in anyway? As cover? Not as a replacement for Dier?

We may be unbeaten in the league but it is utterly destroying us going forward, once we lose our first game (and trust me, it's coming, West Ham was a get out of jail free card) then this season is going to start looking a lot worse than it is currently.

Secondly, our performances in the CL have been not only utterly disgraceful but completely embarrassing, we spend years trying to get back into this competition and then this is how we perform? We somehow managed to perform worse than we did in the EL, how that is even possible I will never know, is he not motivating the players anymore?

That brings me to my next point, something has changed, you can see it, the players aren't running as hard as they were last season, they aren't pressing like they were, you can see the passion isn't there, I have to seriously ask the question now, what's going on? Has he lost a few of them? Are some of them getting a little bit too big for their own boots? Is Poch training them too hard? Are they losing faith in him as a manager slightly? Is his favouritism annoying certain players?

I mean, it's hard to really understand what's going on but I certainly do believe a lot of the issues we are having right now are because of Poch, we should not be regressing like we are in terms of the football we are playing, I know many will say we are unbeaten and cite us coming back to beat West Ham as proof of passion remaining and I do agree to some extent but I also think that West Ham game was a team in 17th place, shipping goals for fun most weeks who gave away two very sloppy goals, I don't think it's an indication of how great we were because frankly West Ham could have beaten us, they were very comfortable for the majority of the game and they are a team in turmoil, the fact is this, that Man City performance was leagues above anything we have seen since and we have had a worrying drop off since then.

I don't think our injuries are the problem either, I think tactically we are suffering, we are not going wide enough, not using our FB's enough, we are congesting the midfield trying to play the ball through, our attacking players are not moving around enough, not unpredictable enough because the system is too defensively rigid, we are a far cry from last season frankly and on top of all of that our pressing is basically gone, it just isn't happening anymore.

Poch isn't above criticism, I think something needs to change and fast because the way we are going it is only going to get worse, it can basically go one or two ways, we are going to improve and improve fast and this season will turn out to be one to remember or we are going to regress even further and if the latter happens well, I worry for us, I really do because the team morale isn't exactly high as things stand, we start adding a few losses and it could get really bad.

I hope Poch isn't feeling too comfortable, he needs to ask questions of his own decisions and the players and rectify the mistakes before it's too late, last season means nothing now, it's over, we have to start understanding that if we want to go forward as a club we have to start showing we have the mentality and the heart and the spirit to do so but more importantly, the intelligence to do so as well.

I am glad you wrote that and not me. It's like you read my mind though, as every point you have made is totally on the money! I am surprised it has taken anyone so long to actually express valid issues about Poch on this forum tbh. I wonder how many more penalties we can get this season to save face. I thought tonight the game was crying out for a wide, fast player like N'Koudou to make an impact. Monaco had so much fun done the flanks it was laughable. Poch never once looked to address this. Pundits were quick to point to our back four, but where was the cover for them?

Poch should be dressing himself down for glaringly bad tactical errors that he has made not just once, but most of the season.
 

DIEHARD

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I think I've reiterated it enough but Poch sets the tone and it seemed that he had no passion or whatever for the CL, which I just find bewildering. I'm ashamed of the players because they showed nothing but how can we blame the players when even the manager doesn't care?

What I'm keen to understand is if he doesn't care about the CL to prioritise it then what is his ambition and aspiration for this team? To win the PL? But to win it you need better players and to buy better players you need more money and more money stems from CL.

Unless he is trying to prove a point by fucking up the CL he is showing Levy that he doesn't have the squad? I don't know.
 

aliyid

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Introduce Dier/Dembele in midfield and let Wanyama sit one out on the bench, I thought that was why we brought him in anyway? As cover? Not as a replacement for Dier?
This is the main part in my eyes. Our success last season was built on a base of Dier & Dembele bossing the centre of the field. While Dier can do a job at CB we lose a lot by not having him in CDM.

We're also seeing just how valuable Lamella is to our pressing style and harassing teams as without him we lose that frantic edge.
 

faze_coys

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Mauricio Pochettino believes that Tottenham must add more quality to their squad to compete in all competitions. #THFC

^^^

I'd be fucking wary of giving this guy any more cash. Had levy backing him this summer and he did fuck all with the cash
 

YiddoTom90

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Mauricio Pochettino believes that Tottenham must add more quality to their squad to compete in all competitions. #THFC

^^^

I'd be fucking wary of giving this guy any more cash. Had levy backing him this summer and he did fuck all with the cash
we knew that before the campaign even started, yet we have sissoko, thats on levy and poch
 

L-man

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Maybe we spend £47m on players other than Sissoko and Jansen and then maybe we will have more quality in the squad

MP: "Maybe we need to add quality in our squad. We have quality, yes, to compete in the PL but maybe to share both, we struggle." #thfc
 

Hercules

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To me it is a reality check for those of us who believed we didn't need much in the summer. Our back up full backs is not of the desired quality, and some believe they are. Wimmer has gone backwards glaringly. Eriksen is now piss poor. We did not address offensive midfield at all. Sissoko is an embarrassment. We needed 2 strikers, and not just Janssen. I am not getting on his back, and will allow him time, but just him was suicidal.

Our lack of options, relying on our youth has proven ill judged by Poch. He has to take full blame for absolutely everything.
 

Hazardousman

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I am glad you wrote that and not me. It's like you read my mind though, as every point you have made is totally on the money! I am surprised it has taken anyone so long to actually express valid issues about Poch on this forum tbh. I wonder how many more penalties we can get this season to save face. I thought tonight the game was crying out for a wide, fast player like N'Koudou to make an impact. Monaco had so much fun done the flanks it was laughable. Poch never once looked to address this. Pundits were quick to point to our back four, but where was the cover for them?

Poch should be dressing himself down for glaringly bad tactical errors that he has made not just once, but most of the season.

To be fair I have always had some concerns with Poch, when we signed him my biggest concerns were the fact he was known to not be very good at signing players, not be very good with subs and also have favourites he would not drop and be tactically rigid, his biggest point was the fact his pressing game was so good which led to nice attacking football, I figured the rest would be adapted as we went forward as a club, his first season here was above average in terms of expectations after Sherwood quite frankly, we looked good and like a team on the up, his second season obviously was tremendous, we punched well above our weight and the team spirit and press was evident, the flaws remained but the performances frankly hid most of them, then we had that Newcastle result and the run in which I thought was a blip, players feeling dejected because we missed out on the league and nothing to worry about, however...

This season the pressing game is completely gone,the one time we implemented it was against City and we looked fantastic that day, without the press all these flaws of Poch become far more apparent, the players don't seem to be playing as hard as they were last season, tactically we are all over the place, changing something that worked well for a system that ENHANCES the flaws, our purchases in the summer were laughable, Sissoko was just, I can't put into word how stupid that signing is, however my stance previous was that Poch is young and he will learn to adapt and improve these things, now however my concern after watching us this season is not only are these flaws more apparent but he actually seems to be doubling down on them rather than trying to improve, that sign of stubbornness is never a good sign and is actually making us regress, despite the fact we are unbeaten and on the surface seem like we are doing well.

I think we are currently in a false position and I think we are one league loss away from either getting a massive kick up the ass and seeing our form turn around and getting that swagger back and Poch changing things back to how they were because we aren't protecting this unbeaten thing anymore or one league loss away from going into a complete meltdown, I don't think there will be a middle ground in this situation.

I think the Chelsea game is going to make or break our season this weekend and more importantly, Poch's future.
 

Swalien

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I understand what you say about Wanyama, he is a good player I like him too, but his selection has kind of changed the dynamic of the team which was working. The amount of players we must have played in centre mid the last two seasons must be way in the double figures.

I think teams have found us easy to work out. If our width plan of attacking with the full backs isn't working Poch's attempts at a plan b has been worse than the original travesty. Im bored of our attacking game with these so called inverted wingers or players who can all swap positions behind the striker. Its not working. We have no pace in the final third or any creative sparks, just power and a non existent press which poor old Janssen has tried to attempt on his own sometimes this season.

We had the opportunity to get better in the summer, but we just settled for buying players who are not what the fans deserve.
 

Hazardousman

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Also, I don't buy the idea we aren't ready to compete at this level, Leicester just topped their damn CL group and hit the last 16, our flaws are completely tactical imo.
 

bigpalacios

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We are going to have ups and downs but this is an ongoing project. Il wait til the end of the season to pass judgement on him. Kane isnt fully fit and we are missing Alderwiereld and Lamela.

We arent playing well at all yet we are unbeaten in the league which is miraculous considering how weve being playing and if we get a result at Chelsea then the season looks a whole lot better.

Rome wasnt built in a day.
 

yankspurs

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Mauricio Pochettino believes that Tottenham must add more quality to their squad to compete in all competitions. #THFC

^^^

I'd be fucking wary of giving this guy any more cash. Had levy backing him this summer and he did fuck all with the cash
That excuse is a disgrace coming from him. He wanted Wanyama, Janssen and Sissoko. He got them. He spent close to £60m on them, FFS. Now he wants more? And thats his first comment? No apology or accepting the blame? Shame on him.
 
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