Poch Performance Review

[Blackcanary]

The majority of the players you mentioned are a boil that need lancing. Someone had to do it, might as well be a Poch. Poch has asperations to play a dymanic, high tempo game. These players are clearly not interested in changing their ways to be a part of it so fuck em. I'm glad he hasn't given in to them.

But the players he IS choosing to play aren't exactly delivering that either...?

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

Different players are motivated by different things. We know Ade is motivated by being seen as the main man (no pun intended) so if anything the fact that Poch has clearly tried to make these players a valued part of his squad proves that this is more down to the players being unwilling rather than Poch ostracising them?

He clearly offered them every opportunity to succeed and as a last resort has removed them from the squad. What's wrong with with that?

I suspect (these are simply my own onions) that Adebayor is also motivated by being met by no demands off pitch. No training pressure, caps on if he wants it, that sort of "no rules apply"-approach.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Just like those before him, Pochettino hasn't fixed the issue of the team's terrible off the ball movement.

I disagree. I think our off the ball movement has been a lot better than under AVB or Sherwood.

 

[Gbspurs]

But the players he IS choosing to play aren't exactly delivering that either...?

Got to put a team out though. Maybe he has the support of the chairman to play players he is happy are trying rather than giving in and player players just because we aren't performing. It may seem stubborn but those players have no future in our squad so why keep them around and impact on the players that are trying hard to adapt?

 

[THFCSPURS19]

Adebayor, Kaboul, Paulinho, Dembele, Chiriches, Lennon, Holtby, Stambouli and Capoue.

I think a third was a very fair assessment and certainly not bullshit.

Vorm reportedly could be added to that list, whilst Townsend is also reporedly very disillusioned and frustrated with being in out of teams/squads irrespective of performances. I think Townsend has actually voiced this himself too for us all to hear.

I may talk shit but I certainly don't make stuff up.

Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue, Stambouli- Yes. Dembele- Maybe Yes

Paulinho has played and started in the last month, so has not been ostracised.
Chiriches started the last game FFS
Lennon's not part of the squad anymore
Holtby was sent on loan at the start of the season, so do you consider all sold/loaned players to be ostracised?

So 4-5 players- not a third of our squad.

 

[JonnySpurs]

Here's the thing, I've been a staunch supporter of Poch, mainly because I liked what I saw of what he was doing at Saints and still believe he can do that here and improve upon it. They played the best football in the league, had a solid back 4 but just lacked the depth and quality in their squad to finish higher in the league.

With all that said and now that the season is almost over, I do have some niggling doubts about him and I am wondering if he's got what it takes. Honestly, I feel like a bit of a dick for thinking that way and I keep telling myself that we have to be patient.

Spurs fans are used to change. We've had so much of it over the years and maybe we've just become totally at ease seeing our manager change if he doesn't hit absolutely every objective that he's been set. That's not right. I also feel that our fanbase is almost bi-polar in it's reactions to wins and losses. Come on here after a win and it's all sunshine and birds singing. Come on here after a loss, any loss, and it's like the world is ending and change must happen now!

I don't believe for a second that Levy is unhappy with Poch and I think we need to come to terms with him staying put for at least another season. I'm happy about that as long as I see progression.

Now, the other thing I'm feeling guilty about is that I'm feeling my head slowly turning towards Jurgen Klopp's situation. He's said he wants to come and manage in England and as of right now, I don't think there is any obvious suitor for him.

Chelsea - Mourinho
Utd - LVG
City - possibly, but apparently waiting for Guardiola, Benitez or Ancelotti
Arsenal - Wenger
Liverpool - possibly, but owner/chairman isn't trigger happy and BR has done well enough to keep his job.

There are no other clubs beyond us that I think Klopp would consider. I also think there are parrallels between Dortmund a few years back and where Spurs are now. He'd be a perfect fit for us and could arguably elevate us up to a top 4 team, just like he did with Dortmund.

I'm thinking that if things are going well for Poch by xmas then we need to be sounding out Jurgen and seeing if we can entice him over. Thoughts?

 

[adamsky]

I am by no means convinced about Poch but do think any manager would struggle to do much better with the current squad. We have a mediocre group of players, very few of whom would make it in any of the top 4/5 teams. Some of the players are obviously talented but are not consistent enough. Eriksen is the he prime example, he is the exact type of player that Mourinho wouldn't stand. He cannot be relied on to play 7/10 most games, we get some outstanding performances followed by weeks of crap.

Whoever is ultimately responsible for transfers over the last 3/4 seasons is the real culprit for our current state. We would have a higher success rate in transfers if we just pulled names out of a hat! To think that someone actually selected some of these players beggars belief.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I'm thinking that if things are going well for Poch by xmas then we need to be sounding out Jurgen and seeing if we can entice him over. Thoughts?

If you are on a first name basis with him, you should lead the entourage.

 

[SteveH]

I am by no means convinced about Poch but do think any manager would struggle to do much better with the current squad. We have a mediocre group of players, very few of whom would make it in any of the top 4/5 teams. Some of the players are obviously talented but are not consistent enough. Eriksen is the he prime example, he is the exact type of player that Mourinho wouldn't stand. He cannot be relied on to play 7/10 most games, we get some outstanding performances followed by weeks of crap.

Whoever is ultimately responsible for transfers over the last 3/4 seasons is the real culprit for our current state. We would have a higher success rate in transfers if we just pulled names out of a hat! To think that someone actually selected some of these players beggars belief.

I agree but I very much doubt any of us would have done anything different 'at the time', with hindsight, of course.

I can't think of any club in our financial bracket in the European leagues who has done well in the transfer market.

We have to find another way. We are in direct competition with Liverpool in the EPL (who have more clout than us) for the players the other four dont want in the EPL.

It is a lottery!

 

[Main Man]

Different players are motivated by different things. We know Ade is motivated by being seen as the main man (no pun intended) so if anything the fact that Poch has clearly tried to make these players a valued part of his squad proves that this is more down to the players being unwilling rather than Poch ostracising them?

He clearly offered them every opportunity to succeed and as a last resort has removed them from the squad. What's wrong with with that?

I don't think the captaincy of our club should be used as a form of motivation or reason to behave.

It should be an absolute honour, but this was a sign of total disrespect and lack of understanding of our club, team, players and fanbase imo.

 

[Main Man]

Adebayor, Kaboul, Capoue, Stambouli- Yes. Dembele- Maybe Yes

Paulinho has played and started in the last month, so has not been ostracised.
Chiriches started the last game FFS
Lennon's not part of the squad anymore
Holtby was sent on loan at the start of the season, so do you consider all sold/loaned players to be ostracised?

So 4-5 players- not a third of our squad.

You are kidding right?

No you are right, Lennon, Holtby, Chiriches and Paulinho clearly have the full backing of Poch and I am completely wrong.

He has 'marginalised' a third of our squad. Does that terminology sit better with you?

I would argue 3/8ths of our squad actually.

 

[Main Man]

I agree but I very much doubt any of us would have done anything different 'at the time', with hindsight, of course.

I can't think of any club in our financial bracket in the European leagues who has done well in the transfer market.

We have to find another way. We are in direct competition with Liverpool in the EPL (who have more clout than us) for the players the other four dont want in the EPL.

It is a lottery!

Aren't we the 12th richest Club in the world or summat?

Southampton spent pretty well and they had a much harder Summer than we did when we lost one player.

 

[JonnySpurs]

If you are on a first name basis with him, you should lead the entourage.

He doesn't know we're on a first name basis but I'm ok with that

 

[Gbspurs]

I don't think the captaincy of our club should be used as a form of motivation or reason to behave.

It should be an absolute honour, but this was a sign of total disrespect and lack of understanding of our club, team, players and fanbase imo.

Now you are being ridiculous. A fully motivated Kaboul has all the necessary ingredients to be a top captain for us. The fact that it didn't work out how Poch hoped isn't a reason to blame him for trying.

Poch would have wanted Ade and Kaboul on his side, trying their hardest and playing to the best of their ability. The fact that he put responsibility on them proves he wanted it to work. When it didn't he had no choice but to remove the players from the squad.

At some point you have to stop treating the players like blameless children and accept that not every issue with the club is the managers fault. How many managerial sackings will it take?

 

[eddiebailey]

I know a lot of fans don't put much stock in tactics, their eyes glaze over and they switch off when it comes to discussion about it, sticking to the belief that its the players on the pitch that get it done, but I feel its a facet of management that has quite a deal of importance. It's also something that you either understand and 'see', or you don't. If Poch is weak at it now, then I don't see him improving in this aspect.

I think a big part of tactics is setting up in such a way that it enables the players to get the job done. There are times when Poch seems to be tying their shoelaces together.

 

[adamsky]

I agree but I very much doubt any of us would have done anything different 'at the time', with hindsight, of course.

I can't think of any club in our financial bracket in the European leagues who has done well in the transfer market.

We have to find another way. We are in direct competition with Liverpool in the EPL (who have more clout than us) for the players the other four dont want in the EPL.

It is a lottery!

Seriously?
There are plenty of clubs who have spent better than us, we have literally wasted at least £50 million. If you look at Dortmund and Atletico Madrid, who both operate on smaller budgets than us, not to mention Southampton, you can see what can be done.

Our success rate on transfers is awful, possibly 2 or 3 decent players in the last 3 seasons. That is simply not good enough, my point was that we would have fared better if it was a lottery, rather than hand picking the shower of shite we got.

 

[Supersi32]

I think a big part of tactics is setting up in such a way that it enables the players to get the job done. There are times when Poch seems to be tying their shoelaces together.

I think Poch has finally seen that the majority of our players simply cannot play the system that he wants, should he have been flexible enough to adjust, yes, possibly, so thats a minor criticism there. Poch used to constantly shout instruction from the sideline, telling them when to press, when to squeeze the ball, when to hold etc.. its obvious the players we have are incapable of carrying out his instruction to the extent where we don`t even bother to press at all anymore.

 

[SteveH]

Seriously?
There are plenty of clubs who have spent better than us, we have literally wasted at least £50 million. If you look at Dortmund and Atletico Madrid, who both operate on smaller budgets than us, not to mention Southampton, you can see what can be done.

Our success rate on transfers is awful, possibly 2 or 3 decent players in the last 3 seasons. That is simply not good enough, my point was that we would have fared better if it was a lottery, rather than hand picking the shower of shite we got.

Lower budget but A Madrid are up to thier neck in debt. Southampton got lucky but are now slipping. Dortmund are just a mess this season, lost too many good plays just like us. Swansea have done very well on their budget but is all very fragile. Spurs are sixth and about par but we need a little bit of luck in future with transfers. We can't complain. I think we will keep all our younger players, if there are no mega bids for them, but the rest are gone.

 

[Bulletspur]

This give Poch "the players he wants" is pie in the sky and a load of bollocks! If the current squad was not to Poch liking but you could see some semblance of man management, tactical nuance, demonstrating that he could make sensible substitutions and changing formation to negate the opponents then there might be a point, but he doesnt. Believe it or not our players are not as bad as a lot of you make out. Do you honestly believe getting "players he wants" will suddenly erase the many of his short falls I just listed? I do not think so some how. His problems are more than players he wants.

 

[Locotoro]

2015/2016 Objectives:

Objective 2: Continue to look at youth and integrate the likes of Ali and Pritchard.

Objective 3: Close gap to top 4 (currently 10 points or more).

Which of those objectives is more important to you?

Given our lack of leadership and responsibility more youth may be great from a development perspective but it is also likely to make us more inconsistent.

Is youth more important than closing the gap