POLL: Spurs' New Manager Should Harry Leave

[Lo Amo Speroni]

We'll have to see. I'm sure he'll want top wages, the point is that I'm sure they wouldn't be prohibitive, no more than one of our top-earning players max, and I suspect considerably less than that.

As for the length of contract, one year rolling is pretty standard in Europe. I'm sure he's keen to re-polish his reputation, but he'll also be cognizant that he isn't getting any younger, and of the concerns we might have in that regards, so I suspect he'd back himself to show what he's worth if given the chance. Ours is a plum job, in a league he wants to prove himself in and has stated he'd be keen to manage in. If Capello's the choice (and that's a big 'if', I accept), then I honestly don't think cost or length of contract will be an issue.

As someone whose views I listen to (not always so don't get big headed ) what are your views on Benitez?

 

[rabbikeane]

Martinez is a risk for sure. But I can't help to feel excited by his 343 and style, the idea that he could make Spurs with our talent level into a unique team in the world of football. He is the type of manager you don't know if will be sacked within 6 months sitting at the lower end of the table, or fighting for the league title against all odds.

Andre Villas-Boas is another one, perhaps my first choice. He failed at Chelsea yes, is inexperienced, lack the ability to adjust his coaching and football if he doesn't have the players available to fit his system. He has his philosophy and sticks to it, at Porto he proved just how well his way of football can be with the right type of players and if in total control of the team.
At Chelsea he was undermined, wrong player types forced upon him, a strong player group working against him - aging, slow player group.
I'm told the reason he turned down Liverpool was because he demanded a contract that couldn't be terminated within the next years, he's looking for a club he can work long term with and mould into his picture.
We fit him perfectly as a club, many of our players fit his style (Bale, Modric, Walker, BAE, Sandro, Giovani, Lennon, heck even Defoe). A far more suitable starting point to build his side, than he had at Chelsea.

I'm not a local Tottenham boy, I fell in love with the ethos of the club.
That's why I've supported Tottenham Hotspur for 22 years.

Moyes will keep us safe, dull, 5-6th. Good, solid and bored.

Football is in a change these days, new times. Not only training methods.
But also when it comes to tactical side of the game. Coaches talk about formations being a thing of the past.
Teams play without strikers, or only 2 defenders.
I want someone in charge of Spurs that will take us to the forefront of the football evolution.

 

[talkshowhost86]

How do you quantify 'exciting football' though?

Put it this way, we wouldn't be turning into Stoke overnight if Moyes was appointed - not with the likes of Bale, VdV, Modric etc at our disposal and nor would we see the wide open bullshit we witness time and again from Harry away from home, which to the neutral may appear exciting, to me, it's purely exasperating!

I do agree with you though in the main so i'm not knocking you and whilst I may opt for a slightly more forward thinking and progressive manager in Martinez, I certainly can see the logic and methodology in looking at Moyes, nor would I be disappointed with his (potential) arrival.

No you're right it's a bit of a lazy criticism, but he hasn't exactly had to deal with a wealth of attacking talent previously and I just worry that his style wouldn't necessarily suit our strengths. I do agree though that we'd probably be a lot less tactically naive under Moyes than we sometimes are under Harry.

For what it's worth, after being burnt with Santini and Ramos and after the success of Harry, I don't see Levy looking anywhere other than Moyes should we need to appoint someone.

 

[theShiznit]

Huge difference. We were bottom of the league when Harry made that 'step up'. We are now a team in the ascendancy (albeit it doesn't feel like that after the way Chelsea ended the season).

would you prefer to let Harry have 8 games at the start of next season then...
although TBH since Martinez chnnged Wigan to 3-4-3/3-5-2 i'm not sure...
yes it worked for Wigan but interesting to see if that is now his goto formation (if it is we may as well get Hoddle back)

 

[m*****73]

Now that it sounds more and more likely that Harry will be off I suppose I best enter this debate.

Personally none of the options excite me.

Moyes has never really played exciting football, and for all people's talk about how well he's done with Everton I'm not sure he's really over-achieved that massively.

AVB showed real weakness as a leader whilst at Chelsea and I think that would immediately undermine him were he to come here.

Martinez appears to talk a good game, but stepping up from Wigan to Spurs is a massive step and I'm not sure if it's too big a step. Having said that I'd have gone for Rodgers so that's possibly a bit hypcritical.

Klopp won't leave Dortmund, and even if he did I'd be concerned that we'd have another Ramos on our hands. Someone who does very well in a particular system but when having to build it up on his own isn't so successful.

Other than that where do we look? Capello? Lots of money for a short term option. Klinsmann? Not really a club manager. Benitez? Arguably the most sensible option but also a little bit crazy and prone to some terrible signings.

So all in all, I'm not exactly enthused by the prospect of Harry leaving. Not because I want to have his babies like Blockbuster does, but because the options to replace him don't really look all that hot.

Maybe I'll apply.

Hard to disagree with most of that, TSH. But what about O'Neill?

In my opinion:
1. his teams play a better quality of football than Moyes;
2. he understands the English game better than AVB and/or Klopp;
3. he's more experienced/better track record than Martinez;
4. he won't demand the same level of spending as Capello;
5. he's (probably) cheaper than Klinsmann and/or Benitez

I think we could persuade him to leave Sunderland - only issue is that I don't think he'd want to work under a DoF (if that's what Levy is plannning to do).

 

[talkshowhost86]

would you prefer to let Harry have 8 games at the start of next season then...
although TBH since Martinez chnnged Wigan to 3-4-3/3-5-2 i'm not sure...
yes it worked for Wigan but interesting to see if that is now his goto formation (if it is we may as well get Hoddle back)

The concern with Martinez is that it seems to take him until there are only 10 games left to sort out what formation works. It's happened the last couple of seasons and although our better quality players would bail him out, I wouldn't like Spurs to be his experiment.

Hard to disagree with most of that, TSH. But what about O'Neill?

In my opinion:
1. his teams play a better quality of football than Moyes;
2. he understands the English game better than AVB and/or Klopp;
3. he's more experienced/better track record than Martinez;
4. he won't demand the same level of spending as Capello;
5. he's (probably) cheaper than Klinsmann and/or Benitez

I think we could persuade him to leave Sunderland - only issue is that I don't think he'd want to work under a DoF (if that's what Levy is plannning to do).

Sunderland is his boyhood club isn't it? Plus he's only been there 6 months. Don't think he's an option to be honest.

Oh and we aren't getting a DOF.

 

[felmani26]

Hard to disagree with most of that, TSH. But what about O'Neill?

In my opinion:
1. his teams play a better quality of football than Moyes;
2. he understands the English game better than AVB and/or Klopp;
3. he's more experienced/better track record than Martinez;
4. he won't demand the same level of spending as Capello;
5. he's (probably) cheaper than Klinsmann and/or Benitez

I think we could persuade him to leave Sunderland - only issue is that I don't think he'd want to work under a DoF (if that's what Levy is plannning to do).

Are you serious?!

 

[felmani26]

No you're right it's a bit of a lazy criticism, but he hasn't exactly had to deal with a wealth of attacking talent previously and I just worry that his style wouldn't necessarily suit our strengths. I do agree though that we'd probably be a lot less tactically naive under Moyes than we sometimes are under Harry.

For what it's worth, after being burnt with Santini and Ramos and after the success of Harry, I don't see Levy looking anywhere other than Moyes should we need to appoint someone.

He's most definitely the safe option and can understand the logic in looking at him - whether he is the right option though remains to be seen.

 

[sloth]

As someone whose views I listen to (not always so don't get big headed ) what are your views on Benitez?

Mate my head couldn't be any bigger. Self-inflated in the main mind you - never let it be said that sloth hid his light under a bushel!!

On the Benitez thing. I think his character is what puts you off. His record at Valencia and the early years at Liverpool is very good, but he apparently insisted that he be given command of all transfers and it went down-hill from there. I don't think his record on judgement of players is very good, and some of his signings for Liverpool were poor. I'm not sure what to read into his time at Inter, but I definitely wasn't surprised he failed. Another issue is I think he's a bit mad, and I don't know if he's always been like that or it's come on in later life, there's a touch of the paranoid Schizophrenic about him (too harsh probably, but towards that spectrum). Last thing, I read on here the other day that he famously fell out with Levy, I don't know if it's true, but if it is I'd think that would rule him out.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I know that basically I wouldn't want him.

 

[rabbikeane]

Hard to disagree with most of that, TSH. But what about O'Neill?

In my opinion:
1. his teams play a better quality of football than Moyes; Do they?
2. he understands the English game better than AVB and/or Klopp; Yes
3. he's more experienced/better track record than Martinez; Yes
4. he won't demand the same level of spending as Capello; Hrm!? He spent a lot at Villa, chairman had to put in £100m of his own money, and the wage bill went to the sky (£10m higher than Spurs in total). He then got furious and left the club when the chairman changed approach and said they had to cut back on the wages and spending.
5. he's (probably) cheaper than Klinsmann and/or Benitez His wages probably are slightly, but I can see a very high compensation fee to Sunderland

I think we could persuade him to leave Sunderland - only issue is that I don't think he'd want to work under a DoF (if that's what Levy is plannning to do).

Martin O'Neill is very much against director of football, he doesn't allow any interference,
would likely be very upset by Levy's behaviour in the transfer market as well.
Also has his own back room staff, will push everyone else out - most likely a reset of our youth/Nextgen set up.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

Mate my head couldn't be any bigger. Self-inflated in the main mind you - never let it be said that sloth hid his light under a bushel!!

On the Benitez thing. I think his character is what puts you off. His record at Valencia and the early years at Liverpool is very good, but he apparently insisted that he be given command of all transfers and it went down-hill from there. I don't think his record on judgement of players is very good, and some of his signings for Liverpool were poor. I'm not sure what to read into his time at Inter, but I definitely wasn't surprised he failed. Another issue is I think he's a bit mad, and I don't know if he's always been like that or it's come on in later life, there's a touch of the paranoid Schizophrenic about him (too harsh probably, but towards that spectrum). Last thing, I read on here the other day that he famously fell out with Levy, I don't know if it's true, but if it is I'd think that would rule him out.

Anyway, at the end of the day, I know that basically I wouldn't want him.

I think he went to Inter at the wrong time, maybe he should have had a break. I wouldn't want him having total control over transfers and I don't think he would. Not sure about the mad bit or the fall out with Levy.

I wouldn't mind him, I also wouldn't mind Cappello or Moyes. Matinez frightens me a bit as does AVB. Glad it's Levy who has to decide.

 

[Misfit]

Klopp, Conte and Benitez way back when pre-Valencia were at smaller clubs, had achieved nothing much of note, and even experienced relegation for 2 of them. Obviously identifying the right guy isn't easy but if the club do their homework there are probably 3 or 4 managers nobody has even mentioned or thought of who could do a very good job, rivalling or perhaps bettering H.

The backgrounds of the candidates don't worry me. The lack of gumption by the board and us fans - in particular - in backing a new guy, coupled with the extreme player power of today, puts us right up shit creek though.

Which leads everyone to focus on what really are re-treads or good, solid, if unspectacular, veterans.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Klopp, Conte and Benitez way back when pre-Valencia were at smaller clubs, had achieved nothing much of note, and even experienced relegation for 2 of them. Obviously identifying the right guy isn't easy but if the club do their homework there are probably 3 or 4 managers nobody has even mentioned or thought of who could do a very good job, rivalling or perhaps bettering H.

The backgrounds of the candidates don't worry me. The lack of gumption by the board and us fans - in particular - in backing a new guy, coupled with the extreme player power of today, puts us right up shit creek though.

Which leads everyone to focus on what really are re-treads or good, solid, if unspectacular, veterans.

I think this is a fair point and there is an argument that we should take the plunge and go take a risk on someone up and coming. I think Rodgers would have been the best option, but outside of that I suppose Martinez makes the most sense.

I would say however that it would need to be someone with some experience of English football. Making the step up in experience is one thing. Doing it in another country is potentially a much bigger risk.

As I said though, I think considering how Levy got burnt with Santini and Ramos (relatively risky options) he will play it safe if he can.

I actually think on merit alone, AVB would be the best option but his spell at Chelsea was so disastrous and his position there so massively undermined by the players that I'm not sure he can ride that out.

 

[scorpion64]

Klinnsman would do for me if HR is going. He will probably bring in Sheringham as a coach, also wouldnt mind Moyes as a back up which he may bring a couple of players with him such as baines, Fellaini.....

 

[Misfit]

I think this is a fair point and there is an argument that we should take the plunge and go take a risk on someone up and coming. I think Rodgers would have been the best option, but outside of that I suppose Martinez makes the most sense.

I would say however that it would need to be someone with some experience of English football. Making the step up in experience is one thing. Doing it in another country is potentially a much bigger risk.

As I said though, I think considering how Levy got burnt with Santini and Ramos (relatively risky options) he will play it safe if he can.

I actually think on merit alone, AVB would be the best option but his spell at Chelsea was so disastrous and his position there so massively undermined by the players that I'm not sure he can ride that out.

Can't argue with the bolded at all. In fact, I'd say the new guy should have a background in Egnlish football. It is a different breed, in outlook and culture as much as technical differences. Santini and Wendy were smacked repeatedly in the face with giant pies. They never looked comfortable, at any point.

In the right circs, BMJ initially under FWank for example, it can work. Now there's a guy. Sure he won a cup but at a tiny club in one of the middle-tier leagues. He proved to be pretty damn decent. He was intially part of a double act though so hardly the same thing now, especially as the DoF seems a things of the past at Spurs for the immediate future. Identifying the right man and the right background to succeed in the prem is vital then.

God forbid any manager from the lower leagues is even mentioned - that just never happens in English football anymore, unless promoted with a club or brought in to try and stave of relegation by playing hideous route 1 hoof-ball. Might as well suggest that a laydee is given the manager's job to a prem fan.

So, we're looking at cursed forrun types currently in management who have played in the prem in their previous careers, those currently twiddling their thumbs and waiting by the phone or someone already employed by a prem club.

Still a decent selection to choose from in there, imo.

 

[talkshowhost86]

Can't argue with the bolded at all. In fact, I'd say the new guy should have a background in Egnlish football. It is a different breed, in outlook and culture as much as technical differences. Santini and Wendy were smacked repeatedly in the face with giant pies. They never looked comfortable, at any point.

In the right circs, BMJ initially under FWank for example, it can work. Now there's a guy. Sure he won a cup but at a tiny club in one of the middle-tier leagues. He proved to be pretty damn decent. He was intially part of a double act though so hardly the same thing now, especially as the DoF seems a things of the past at Spurs for the immediate future. Identifying the right man and the right background to succeed in the prem is vital then.

God forbid any manager from the lower leagues is even mentioned - that just never happens in English football anymore, unless promoted with a club or brought in to try and stave of relegation by playing hideous route 1 hoof-ball. Might as well suggest that a laydee is given the manager's job to a prem fan.

So, we're looking at cursed forrun types currently in management who have played in the prem in their previous careers, those currently twiddling their thumbs and waiting by the phone or someone already employed by a prem club.

Still a decent selection to choose from in there, imo.

I don't think any lower league managers are really given enough time to impress, and as you say they aren't considered to have impressed properly until they take a team into the Premiership.

Who from the lower leagues would you look at at the moment? Eddie Howe? Paulo Di Canio? Chris Powell? It's all a bit bleak down there on the managerial front to be honest. Even with the promoted teams you're dealing with Adkins, Allardyce and Heston Blumenthal who I don't think anyone would consider world beaters.

It is a shame but I think appointing from within is more likely than appointing from the championship.

 

[Misfit]

Heston Blumenthal -

Who knows though. 24 months ago, Rodgers, Lambert - even dear old Chrissy Hughton - were nowehere. Hughton got elbowed aside rather harshly I thought. But then his replacement, Alan "I'd done the square root of FA" Pardew has himself proved very adept at something other than fingering his players' wives.

I dunno, one would hope finding the right guy or thinking outside the box is why these people are paid such vast, unbecoming gobs of money. Obviosuly not. Instead they sit and get rich by making decisions most You're On Sky Sports or talkshite callers would make.

I was all for Carlo last summer and then Rodgers this summer. I had hoped H would stay this season and see what's what. If he managed to extract every last drop of potential from this squad then he'd be given a whopping contract. If not, hopefuly old Carlo would have parted company with PSG by then.

Now though, we need the high-ups in the club to earn their corn and when it comes to appointing a nice shiny new manager outside of the obvious, the thought leaves me a little cold. They might avoid the mistake of a Santini or Wendy and plunge headfirst into an equally disastrous "safe" choice. I desperately hope the advisors they have are worth the substantial fees they'll no doubt charge.

 

[felmani26]

I would still say AVB is a very credible candidate here and has the added appeal of being out of work therefore no compensation - he was certainly the name on everybody's lips, well, Dan Ashcroft, this time last year and for good reason too!

I do recognise he maybe considered a 'risky' appointment though but then as many of you have discussed, any appointment we make now will have the spectre of Harry casting a shadow over proceedings straight from the off and no candidate will be a sure fire bona-fide winner here.

Personally speaking, I would like a young, progressive and forward thinking manager at the helm with a strong and identifiable ethos that will transcend from the youth setup to the first team. A glitzy career to date isn't what is going to sway me, but more their ideologies and a want to form a strong sense of unity and togetherness within our team which hopefully will result in a hard working mentality without compromising our attacking intent.

Who that person is, you decide!

 

[talkshowhost86]

I would still say AVB is a very credible candidate here and has the added appeal of being out of work therefore no compensation - he was certainly the name on everybody's lips, well, Dan Ashcroft, this time last year and for good reason too!

I do recognise he maybe considered a 'risky' appointment though but then as many of you have discussed, any appointment we make now will have the spectre of Harry casting a shadow over proceedings straight from the off and no candidate will be a sure fire bona-fide winner here.

Personally speaking, I would like a young, progressive and forward thinking manager at the helm with a strong and identifiable ethos that will transcend from the youth setup to the first team. A glitzy career to date isn't what is going to sway me, but more their ideologies and a want to form a strong sense of unity and togetherness within our team which hopefully will result in a hard working mentality without compromising our attacking intent.

Who that person is, you decide!

Brendan Rodgers

I would love that type of manager though and if that's what we want then the two options are probably Martinez or AVB. Both have issues though and I'd be hard pushed to select between them.

 

[felmani26]

Brendan Rodgers

I would love that type of manager though and if that's what we want then the two options are probably Martinez or AVB. Both have issues though and I'd be hard pushed to select between them.

Unfortunately you are damn right with Rodgers, more's the pity!

I also agree that Martinez and AVB do fit that remit as well and with Martinez's media appeal over AVB, i'd probably plump for him to be my choice.