Poor location, Small stadium, what's the future?

[Azrael]

Barry Hearn is gionna be mighty pissed off when he see the OP's map

 

[bugsdad]

I would like to see WHL rebuilt as a viable 21st century modern stadium capable of multi-communal and sporting usage yet I was pro Stratford, based on my assumption that access would be easier for up to 60000 bodies per match.

If WHL could build a Park and Ride somewhere nearby (or Park and Walk) it would take the strain off having to arrive around two hours early to claim a car park space in some spurious business car park, charging ever increasing fees, the nearer the time gets to the game.

As it is, I travel down from Lincoln, aiming to get to the PowerLeague venue two hours before hand to ensure access to a relatively secure car parking area for a relatively sensible car park charge.

This is my main issue with adding the burden of another 25000 people wanting access to and from the stadium as it is, with the current transport infrastructure.

The main issue isnt transport but funding.
If the economic situation wasnt so bad we would have got the funding for the project.Now banks wont lend on property deals as they were doing 2 years ago.
The situation wont ease and there is no likely hood of going ahead with the development until it does. The reason why we were so keen to go into the OS was because we had a partner lined up who were prepared to take half of the finacial burden.
No such partner exists at the present site so unless we find an alternative site where we can get a partner in tghen we are going to stay at WHL with a 36000max capacity and limited revenue stream.
Grim isnt it.

 

[PT]

The main issue isnt transport but funding.
If the economic situation wasnt so bad we would have got the funding for the project.Now banks wont lend on property deals as they were doing 2 years ago.
The situation wont ease and there is no likely hood of going ahead with the development until it does. The reason why we were so keen to go into the OS was because we had a partner lined up who were prepared to take half of the finacial burden.
No such partner exists at the present site so unless we find an alternative site where we can get a partner in tghen we are going to stay at WHL with a 36000max capacity and limited revenue stream.
Grim isnt it.

It is. However I would like to stress it is MY main issue. My reason for wanting to move out of WHL, should the stadium have to be increased in capacity.

 

[StanSpur]

Actually what is naive is people thinking having a tube station within five minutes of the ground makes any difference to the time it takes to get home.

Think about trying to get on the tube after a game at Wembley - instead of walking for 20 minutes to get the tube like at the Lane (which actually breaks up the flow as people walk at different paces, go in shops, pubs etc) all you end up doing is queuing for 20 minutes to get on the tube in the first place.

Appreciably increasing the capacity at WHL would increase the queuing, but at Stratford there'll also be the consideration of sharing the tube with the largest urban shopping centre in Europe. Would be fun on Boxing Day home games.

I'm pretty sure i know a fair amount about the Tube and capacity issues etc - considering i've worked for LU for the past 6 years - so i know i'm not being naive about that. The difference with Stratford and Arsenal and Chelsea and Wembley and West Ham is that they all have more than one Tube station servicing them on top of a number of rail and bus links. WHL has 2 rail stations who cannot opperate large trains, bus routes that have to divert around the ground and 1 Tube station that is a 20 minute walk away. I'm not saying having a station 5 minutes away will be the answer, i actually agree that time of walk allows crowds to thin. However the volume going through 1 little station on 1 line will cause the station to close every couple of minutes for crowding regardless of how spaced out they are. I'm saying more transport links is vital to the new stadium - be it Tube, train or bus capacity.

With both Wembley and Stratford they do/will get busy but the smart supporter will find the alternative route. Wembley for example suffers as everyone pours down wembley way to wembley park station but wembley central station is much less crowded and only an extra 5 minutes walk. As for Stratford, the park is supplied by 4 stations so just take your pick and walk a little further.

 

[YidLee King]

Really disappointed they chose to award west ham the site, what a waste, aweful dicision. I truly believe that if we had got it we would have become the biggest club in London, easily. That whole area is set up for something big.

 

[drnbean]

Double ticket prices at WHL...end of!

 

[Adam456]

This is what I put in the 'will it matter if we finish fourth' thread. I followed it up with another post that mentions that we have only the 19th, yes 19th, biggest stadium in the UK:


I would put weight on it. The point is about consistently challenging and being able to attract top players - not one cracking season with some average players and waiting 5 years to get anywhere near it again

I dislike the fact that these kids are making more in a week than a lot of people make in a year and I've said on here several times that football should have a wage cap. But, the question is about Spurs progressing and you have to face reality.

We're going to get a rule about wages as a proportion of revenue which is a good step,,,,,but......even assuming that UEFA doesn't cave in and postpone or cancel that it will still leave several premiership and around a dozen big European clubs that we can't compete with on a regular basis because they pay their top players 100% more than we do. This applies both to signing new players and keeping our existing ones. You can appeal to some players' better natures but the majority will follow the money and prospects. How long can you expect your top players to turn down £120k per week and the opportunity to play with the Rooneys, Ronaldos and Messis ?

The Goons generate double the gate receipts that we do and the gap will only get bigger as they pay off the last of their stadium debt (the bstds owe about £135m but make £50m a year profit). Man U also have double the gate receipts and I'm sure they'll will find a way to re-classify their debt as personal - which is basically what it is.
Liverpool (45k) are almost certain to build a new stadium and Chelsea (42k) and Citeh (48k) are looking at expansion to boost their revenue to satisfy the rules.

And looking downwards, so to speak, the Barcodes have a capacity of 52k and seem to be on a steady upward curve and Sunderland 48k. Villa have 42.5k and are publicly stating an intention to expand to 50k+. So even though we usually sell out and are lucky to be in London (and can therefore charge more for tickets) we can expect our advantage to be eroded over time. Everton are also expected to build a brand new stadium though that might be some time as, justified loyalty to Moyes aside, they seem to be run like a corner shop.

A much bigger capacity is a must - shiny or dull - if we are to progress

 

[Crash]

My tuppence worth is that we have to move, sentiment aside. I'd think it strange if we want to be in the CL with a bigger stadium ( which financially is a must) and we have fans from say Barca, Madrid etc having to trek through London because there aren't transport links.

In terms of transport links lets be honest why on earth should Tottenham pay for them> Why should the club be in huge debts just to stay in a run down part of London which is difficult to get to.

Just my opinion which ultimately won't count for anything as it'll be Levy who decides.

 

[Hoddle_Ledge]

Always makes me laugh when I'm walking round central London when the Goons or Chelsea at are home. Before and after the game seeing all the families in their scarves and replica shirts and megastore bags coming to London for a day out, trying to work out how to use the tube, getting lost in Leicester Square and flashing their tickets they bought on viagogo because the club couldn't sell them.

At least that won't be Spurs fans I'll be laughing at...for a few more years yet anyway.

 

[HotTotty]

My tuppence worth is that we have to move, sentiment aside. I'd think it strange if we want to be in the CL with a bigger stadium ( which financially is a must) and we have fans from say Barca, Madrid etc having to trek through London because there aren't transport links.

In terms of transport links lets be honest why on earth should Tottenham pay for them> Why should the club be in huge debts just to stay in a run down part of London which is difficult to get to.

Just my opinion which ultimately won't count for anything as it'll be Levy who decides.

I'm pretty sure you and Danny boy are singing from the same hymn sheet to be fair.
It's this issue that may see ENIC on their way, unless of course Joe Lewis ultimately has enough cash available and the inclination to stump up the ridiculous investment required to secure NDP, still might not be attractive to them now they've considered benefits of moving away and sharing costs with AEG.
Such a shame that our most successful period in recent years has been blighted by the negative implications surrounding the stadium issue.

 

[GDG]

Good to see you posting, HotTotty, haven't seen you name on here for a while - though I'm hardly ever on here myself these days, so it wouldn't surprise me if we are ships that pass in the night.

 

[HotTotty]

Good to see you posting, HotTotty, haven't seen you name on here for a while - though I'm hardly ever on here myself these days, so it wouldn't surprise me if we are ships that pass in the night.

Hey GDG, I, like you am a much more recreational user these days, I remember the days of whiling the hours away with Zapsta, Tano, Park Lane Snoop, Ero and the like.
Now, alas, work and parental stress have curtailed such self indulgent joys.
How are you keeping? still in Hong Kong?

 

[brasil_spur]

If any potential fans are put off supporting us because they have to walk 20 minutes from the tube station, then they are hardly likely to come and pay money to watch us play Wigan at home on a cold December evening anyway.

I think the key is our season ticket waiting list. If we have a large number of fans willing to pay up front and want to go to as many games as possible, transport is merely a secondary issue.

This is the point though. With another 30,000 fans trying to make it into Tottenham on match days the transport problem will be massively increased.

It just about copes as it is, but with this many extra people coming in and with no upgrades it could easily grind to a halt.

A lot of supporters (and probably a large percentage of those on the season ticket waiting list) don't live in Tottenham or even central London. On evening kick offs, with increased congestion on match days it may mean that supporters simply can't get home due to missing the last train/tube.

Quite simply there's no way IMO the NDP can work without some increased public transport infrastructure. It's not about people being concerned with a 20 min walk.

 

[DEFchenkOE]

I've just noticed that are 10th in the average attendance table this season, didn't realise we were so far down! West Ham are 11th so they'll more than likely overtake us in a few years.

Our total attendance is 465,654, meanwhile Man U in 1st have a total of 1,050,107 (http://soccernet.espn.go.com/stats/attendance/_/league/eng.1/english-premier-league?cc=5739). That is a massive gap, we just can't keep going on with this capacity and still expect to compete at the top levels.

I just hope that Levy can come up with something soon, I had a nightmare a few nights ago and Bale signed for Arsenal due to the lack of progress at Spurs, I literally woke up feeling sick with images of him running around in the gooners shirt floating around my head Eekmg:

 

[brasil_spur]

I've just noticed that are 10th in the average attendance table this season, didn't realise we were so far down! West Ham are 11th so they'll more than likely overtake us in a few years.

With a new stadium they will yes. But we are 10th purely because that's the capacity of our stadium. With the ST waiting list being what it is, if we had a 50,000+ seater stadium we'd be 3rd on that list.

But importantly this list does go to show how much we desperately need a new stadium.

 

[Welshiespursboyo]

Every time I read threads mentioning the OS, a small alarm goes off in my head, and all I can think of is punching Karran Brady's smug face in.

Grrrr

 

[ThorntonSpur]

didnt arsenil move further out from woolwich to islington?

 

[HotTotty]

Unfortunately not, Woolwich would be an apt home for the Scum, it's a shit hole and nicely out of the way with crap transport, unfortunately Islington is nice, central with relatively good transport :evil:

 

[jj87]

All this nonsense about being in a 'nice' area.

Football used to be a working-class game. Just fuck off and leave us alone if you insist on having a Pret sandwich outside the ground.

 

[HotTotty]

All this nonsense about being in a 'nice' area.

Football used to be a working-class game. Just fuck off and leave us alone if you insist on having a Pret sandwich outside the ground.

LOL true, I live in Hackney (hardly a great area) and am happy to make the short journey OUT of London to the home of B-boy Grime that is Tottenham.

But Woolwich, that is a slum of the highest order, I wish Arsenal were still there. Then we could have had the run of the whole of North London to make our home. Tottenham are THE North London club.