Premier League 2020/21

[YB123]

Personally though Balbuena left his foot in, but I think it's a yellow not a red

And thats predominantly because its been slowed down so much

 

[wrd]

I think what the refs/var have seen is that when Balbuena kicks it his leg extends then he makes contact with Chillwell and his leg is bent again and then he straightens his leg again which could be considered excessive force. I don't think that level of analysis is clear and obvious though and I think we shouldn't be framing through calls to find a decision.

 

[YB123]

The absolute irony is that West Ham fans are saying that has cost them the game! 82nd min red card and one shot on target before that....

 

[feet01]

How was that Brighton goal offside? The ball went up in the air and not forward so the guy can’t be offside?!?

 

[Marty]

How was that Brighton goal offside? The ball went up in the air and not forward so the guy can’t be offside?!?

Doesn't matter if the ball went forward or not, the goalscorer was offside when the ball was headed so it's offside.

 

[Oh Teddy Teddy]

It’s 2 yards out. How has he missed. It’s like they’re doing it on purpose now it’s become such a running joke

 

[luRRka]

Doesn't matter if the ball went forward or not, the goalscorer was offside when the ball was headed so it's offside.

The confusion is from playing the ball backwards when you are 2 on 1 v the keeper ie you can't be offside if you are behind the ball. It's not often the ball is played backwards and a player offside comes back to collect it. Even though he didn't gain an advantage, he was offside when the ball was played

 

[feet01]

The confusion is from playing the ball backwards when you are 2 on 1 v the keeper ie you can't be offside if you are behind the ball. It's not often the ball is played backwards and a player offside comes back to collect it. Even though he didn't gain an advantage, he was offside when the ball was played

So if the Brighton player headed it back would he still be offside??

 

[luRRka]

So if the Brighton player headed it back would he still be offside??

Yeah, in fact he did head it back. The player who scored is in front of the ball when it's played so it's offside.

You are thinking of a 2 v 1 with the keeper when player A passes to player B and its not offside as the ball goes backwards. That's because player b is behind the ball when it's played

 

[Duffman]

If Potter does become our new manager, he can bring Bissouma with him

 

[Graham Minshall]

Michael Oliver involved again! How many times is that idiot involved in bad decisions?

 

[worcestersauce]

Is Maupay really crap or is it just whenever I watch him?

 

[Marty]

Is Maupay really crap or is it just whenever I watch him?

He'll look a world beater for three games a season and fail to hit the barn door for the rest of it.

 

[Marty]

So if the Brighton player headed it back would he still be offside??

Yes. The goalscorer was in front of the ball and in an offside position, so the direction the ball travelled doesn't matter.

 

[YB123]

Is Maupay really crap or is it just whenever I watch him?

really crap

 

[C0YS]

Personally though Balbuena left his foot in, but I think it's a yellow not a red

I mean it's definitely a foul, because it's careless. I know the logic seems a bit weird, but the way this has to be understood is could the contact be avoided, yes it could, he could have judged that there was a chance that he'd catch the player on the follow-through. An argument could be made that it was reckless. But it's hard to say he used excessive force because it's a natural movement, the argument that it was a sending off is that any contact that high, with studs, is excessive force by nature, but it's a stretch. There is no way this will be overturned though.

 

[C0YS]

Is Maupay really crap or is it just whenever I watch him?

ehh he does some things well but doesn't really score enough, he's not really an out and out striker, the problem with Brighton isn't just down to him, but a collective issue. Since Glenn Murray's legs went, they just haven't had anywhere close to enough goals in the team.

 

[DenverSpur]

I wouldn't be sure of that. It's clear that the PL refs have been targeting studs up challanged for some time now, and even though it shouldn't be given it is actually consistent with how these decisions are made, unfortunately. I think there does need to be a review of these decisions.

But it’s not studs up is it? He’s kicked a ball that’s off the ground so his foot is going to go up and then it has to come down . Chilwell is in the way of this downward movement and because of Balbuena’s forward momentum his back foot is nearly off the ground so there is no way he can avoid catching Chilwell. That 2 “professional” referees can’t see and understand that is a damning indictment of the standard of refereeing in the PL.

 

[C0YS]

But it’s not studs up is it? He’s kicked a ball that’s off the ground so his foot is going to go up and then it has to come down . Chilwell is in the way of this downward movement and because of Balbuena’s forward momentum his back foot is nearly off the ground so there is no way he can avoid catching Chilwell. That 2 “professional” referees can’t see and understand that is a damning indictment of the standard of refereeing in the PL.

No it's silly isn't it. But his studs did plant into Chillwell's leg and an appeals board would argue that that could be construed as violent conduct, and that's the thing. Obviously what you say is true, but that doesn't stop that it's likely that the decision will be upheld.

With referee's my issue is they've probably been told that if someone plants their studs high up someone's legs, that's a red card. It's something that has been clamped on ever since the series of high profile injuries in the late 2000s early 2010s and I don't think they're really thinking about context, and that's why I don't think it will be overturned. One of the things VAR has done is highlighted how referee's see the game, not just in the UK, comes illogical position from a playing point of view.

That's the thing, I don't think this is the mistake of a few individuals, but rather reflects what current referees see as fouls.

 

[rossdapep]

The absolute irony is that West Ham fans are saying that has cost them the game! 82nd min red card and one shot on target before that....

Moyes too.

He has to be the most pointless whinger when it comes to bad decisions.

His team could be 10-0 down and he'll bemoan a bad decision.