Ramos v scolari
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Case closed.
There's always next year
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Possibly two great tacticians, but neither can converse in the language where they are plying their trade. I would hope that Ramos English is further developed than Scolari's.
I do envisage and smirk at the thought of Scolari trying to communicate tactics in pigeon English to Terry and Cole, where neither are blessed with too many Brain cells.
I do envisage and smirk at the thought of Scolari trying to communicate tactics in pigeon English to Terry and Cole, where neither are blessed with too many Brain cells.
AngerManagement
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I think Scolari would win a fist fight
tRiKS
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I'm not sure Scolari is a tactical genius. Rooney going off gave him progress in the last owrld cup and even then they couldn't tactically cope playing agsint 10 men and before that could get past an awful greek approacch in a terrible Euros for quaility. He has the best player in the world at his disposal and he won't win the Euroes' this year... in fact i predict they'll go out to Germany tonight. For portugal i thinks he#s been no more that ok.
Before portugal. he won the woprld cup with Brazil... but really he had a very inspired Ronaldo in top form and both Cafu and R Carlos in thier prime. a good job yes but not an amaaing one considering his tools.
His league Career in Brazil i can only guess at, the stats say good but i have no referecne on quailty of the league or his players in relation to the others at the time.
I happen to think Chelsea will win the title next year, but i happen to think if Baron Greenback had stayed they still would. They'll have the best squad next season. Don't exepct wonderful football unless they buy a load of wonderful footballers.
Ramos for me has already shown tactical differences and if he'd had Portgual in last Euro 2004 they would have beaten Greece in the final
Before portugal. he won the woprld cup with Brazil... but really he had a very inspired Ronaldo in top form and both Cafu and R Carlos in thier prime. a good job yes but not an amaaing one considering his tools.
His league Career in Brazil i can only guess at, the stats say good but i have no referecne on quailty of the league or his players in relation to the others at the time.
I happen to think Chelsea will win the title next year, but i happen to think if Baron Greenback had stayed they still would. They'll have the best squad next season. Don't exepct wonderful football unless they buy a load of wonderful footballers.
Ramos for me has already shown tactical differences and if he'd had Portgual in last Euro 2004 they would have beaten Greece in the final
danielneeds
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They are both really good managers, and just as importantly they are both really lucky managers. Things seem to go for them at the right times. ie as mentioned Rooney's injury, penalty shootouts (our UEFA cupone excepted), Palop scoring in the last minute to put Sevilla through in the UEFA cup ...etc etc
Hopefully Ramos' grasp of English should hold him in good stead, apparently Scolari's is pretty poor. Also i dobt Big Phil will get as good an assistant as Gus in..
Hopefully Ramos' grasp of English should hold him in good stead, apparently Scolari's is pretty poor. Also i dobt Big Phil will get as good an assistant as Gus in..
Lucky22
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Have to take Ramos on this one. Don't agree that our boss can't speak enough English - all the players have made it clear that his English is fine and they understand him, it's just that he doesn't like talking to the press and I think that's a clever move on his part.
Big Phil is a good manager but he's made his name by picking the best a whole country has to offer, and they're not bad countries at that. Juande has done it the hard way and turned an unfashionable club into a successful one. The tactics will be interesting, but I'm betting on Ramos to blow away our Stamford Bridge (Chelski) hoodoo.
Big Phil is a good manager but he's made his name by picking the best a whole country has to offer, and they're not bad countries at that. Juande has done it the hard way and turned an unfashionable club into a successful one. The tactics will be interesting, but I'm betting on Ramos to blow away our Stamford Bridge (Chelski) hoodoo.
greavesie
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i have always believed he speaks better English than is made out anyone that can converse with saf after a game must be able to he has got it right let Gus do the donkey work on tv and he likes to hide away in the shadows.Jimmy greaves had it right when he first joined us and said he is like a spaghetti western gunslinger snarling ,and lurking with intent in the darkness :grin::grin::grin::grin::grin:
His Brazilian record at club level was excellent. 6 titles in 3 yrs with Gremio from 1993-96 including the Copa Libertadores and a Brazilian Championship. Lost in Intercontinental Cup to Ajax on pens.
Then a brief time in Japan and back to Brazil with Palmeiras. In 3 yrs with them from 1997-2000, won Copa Libertadores again and Copa Brasil. Didn't have superstar-packed teams either. Interstingly, after winning the Copa, lost to ManU in the Intercontintental Cup. Outfoxed by Fergie...
The guy will know about the English game and its players from what he's seen on TV and he'll have done his homework before when he was wanted for the England job.
Like I said earlier, it'll take him time to settle back into club management - depends whether the media/Roman give him the time this'll take.
ultimateloner
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Scolari is one of the biggest manager ever..possibly one of the greatest around. He's miles ahead of Ramos in terms of achievement.
At a club like Chelsea you take one superstar to supersede others. Scolari's gone to the right club, so has ramos.
Whatever problems you might conjure - not having managed a club team for many years etc - all that is irrelevant when it comes down to someone who has so much charisma and who commands RESPECT. I have no doubt he would be a great success.
Having said all this I'm glad we got Ramos and i think he is perfect for us.
At a club like Chelsea you take one superstar to supersede others. Scolari's gone to the right club, so has ramos.
Whatever problems you might conjure - not having managed a club team for many years etc - all that is irrelevant when it comes down to someone who has so much charisma and who commands RESPECT. I have no doubt he would be a great success.
Having said all this I'm glad we got Ramos and i think he is perfect for us.
Rqmos in his suit looks a perfect gentleman while Scolari looks a bit of a ruffian. Indeed, I think he may outdo Ramos in that he is not above cheating as I'm sure he instructed Ronnie and the Portuguese thugs to do all their dirty tricks against England.
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I'm sure he speaks decent English by now, he's an intelligent man and he's using it every day. Gus is great with the media because he's charismatic and charming, I'm happy for Juande to let Gus do all the PR crap while he concentrates on what matters.
tRiKS
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I already said i knew his stats.. i'm saying i have no idea of the comparative standard of the Brazil league then compared to the PL now. I have no idea if at any of his clubs in brazil he had a good, average or poor bunch of players to work with compared to the rest of the teams in the league.
Your post hasn't enlightend me at all.
do you actually know how much of an achievment his league record is or are you just quoting stats? put it into context if you can please.
dynamoSpurs
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scolari who?? what's he done? won the world cup with the best set of players god could have provided??
if he wins anything with chelsea, it will be down to the players and not his "tactical" prowess.
juanday anyday.
if he wins anything with chelsea, it will be down to the players and not his "tactical" prowess.
juanday anyday.
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