Ramos vs AVB

[Spurs_Q8]

#thfc‬ news ..... Jermain Defoe is set to move to newly promoted Reading FC as one of 2 big name signings after their takeover !!!

hopefully not one striker in 16-8 ''wouldn't count Berba even he was on bench vs Middlesbrough as he refused to play''

 

[coldasice199]

Ally gold is pure gold.otherwise, we are now In the business of replacing good quality with better quality.its not a mass overhaul, and AVB is a very credible manager.most importantly, players now view us in a different light.and Oscar looks quality, not seen much of remy.

 

[Dharmabum]

We won a trophy under Ramos and we did it in style, if AVB can match that and get us 4th to 6th in the league I'll be happy with that.

So few actually seem to be able to see the positives of Ramos. That year the L-cup gather more excitement and publicity than the FA cup, and Spurs trashed Arsenal in the semis.
Levy also kind of admitted (at least according to bona fied ITK) that apart from Ramos' lack of English the DoF system at Spurs was a bit chaotic and confusing as Levy hadn't figured out yet how to make it work smoothly. In the end it was a players' revolt that ousted Ramos.
And it was not Ramos fault that Spurs lost both Keane & Berba just before the new season started with no proper replacements in place.

 

[striebs]

I didnt think it was Harsh to sack Jol, we were dying on a feet that season, and were mostly poor the season before that apart from the brillance of berbaslag who along with keane single handly almost fluked us into 5th.

As the Redknapp, well there were many times at the end of this season that most of the board wanted him out

Sorry Kaz but that is just revisionism .

Jol wasn't sacked for performances . He was sacked because Levy and his hand chosen board of sycophants had unrealistic expectations and were seduced by Comolli and later Ramos .

As for dying on our feet the board had completely undermined BMJ . To claim otherwise is just to rewrite history .

 

[micmay]

Jesus

 

[striebs]

So few actually seem to be able to see the positives of Ramos. That year the L-cup gather more excitement and publicity than the FA cup, and Spurs trashed Arsenal in the semis.
Levy also kind of admitted (at least according to bona fied ITK) that apart from Ramos' lack of English the DoF system at Spurs was a bit chaotic and confusing as Levy hadn't figured out yet how to make it work smoothly. In the end it was a players' revolt that ousted Ramos.
And it was not Ramos fault that Spurs lost both Keane & Berba just before the new season started with no proper replacements in place.

Dharmabum ,

Great though they were I think they were about the only two instances of excitement . Ramos did brilliantly well to win the League Cup . No doubt about that and I really admire his ability for bringing that about .

The real problem for me was the atmosphere at The Lane when Ramos was in charge . It could not have been worse if they had brought back George Graham .

The fun element was completely missing with Ramos and football spectating is meant to be fun . I think Levy must take some of the blame for that too for letting Comolli have carte blanche and the disgraceful treatment of the previous managerial incumbent .

Positive is not a word I would associate with Ramos tenure .

 

[The Apprentice]

Did you know the US government were behind the 9/11 attacks?

 

[onthetwo]

Arsenal werent a feeder club when Juande was here....its probably irrelevant but i like typing it.

 

[Mighty Spurs]

I will back AVB, as our manager, however, I have a gut feeling that he might be gone, come Christmas.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Sorry Kaz but that is just revisionism .

Jol wasn't sacked for performances . He was sacked because Levy and his hand chosen board of sycophants had unrealistic expectations and were seduced by Comolli and later Ramos .

As for dying on our feet the board had completely undermined BMJ . To claim otherwise is just to rewrite history .

interesting and fair point, but i recall quite a average to poor spurs team under Martin jol's final full season, and the final half season

 

[Montasura]

I have to say there is a very similar feel this summer to the one where Ramos was appointed, I was thinking this today. Great optimisim and new signings.... it couldn't happen again could it? Really? Nooooooooooooo! If we have a stonking preseason we are well an truely fucked!

Didn't Gio score in almost every pre-season match when he arrived? And Bent, I remember him grabbing near 10 goals in pre-seasopn ffs!!

 

[StartingPrice]

Didn't Gio score in almost every pre-season match when he arrived? And Bent, I remember him grabbing near 10 goals in pre-seasopn ffs!!

So what happened to Bentley...mythos debunked

 

[mil1lion]

The difference is that Ramos was laregely unsuccessful and moved from club to club before Sevilla. People seem to forget that Sevilla was the only club he had success with. AVB is much younger on the other hand and we're still to see the best of him.

We also have a better squad now with more players who will suit the continental style. Most importantly we're signing the right quality of player. Gylfi and Verts are both great signings. Ade, Lloris and Moutinho seem to be close too.

I can't see VDV or Bale leaving either. So we only need to replace Modric if/when he goes. Not as difficult as replacing a strike partnership that carried the team.

I also think our youngsters are at a different level to those under Ramos. The youth system is starting to come together nicely. I fancy a few to shine under AVB as early as this season.

 

[StartingPrice]

The difference is that Ramos was laregely unsuccessful and moved from club to club before Sevilla. People seem to forget that Sevilla was the only club he had success with. AVB is much younger on the other hand and we're still to see the best of him.

We also have a better squad now with more players who will suit the continental style. Most importantly we're signing the right quality of player. Gylfi and Verts are both great signings. Ade, Lloris and Moutinho seem to be close too.

I can't see VDV or Bale leaving either. So we only need to replace Modric if/when he goes. Not as difficult as replacing a strike partnership that carried the team.

I also think our youngsters are at a different level to those under Ramos. The youth system is starting to come together nicely. I fancy a few to shine under AVB as early as this season.

I agree.
The comparison between Ramos and AVB is not a good one. In essence, we were trying to appoint the coach for the system before getting the players, to a large extent, and building the infrastructure (liek the training facilities), and also trying to get the best we could with experience, when we hired Santini and then Ramos. With AVB we have the players, youth and infrastructure in place, to a great extent, before getting the coach,and we are trying to acquire the best coach of the future now, before they become too high profile and too expensive.

We all know these signings can very rapidly turn to sheeeee-ite before y'know it, and as all and sundry are aware, the Modric-Pony has been something of a hero to me (hence my feeling of personal, bitter betrayel ), but I am actually very, very excited at the idea of bringing Moutinho in. Think he will mitigate against any loss, something I hitherto thought impossible. I always stuck up for Redknapp's overseas rep, but prior to the arrival of AVB I just wouldn't have thought it possible for us to sign Moutinho at this stage in his career (surely, like Modric, the type of player we need to get in late teens/early twenties). And not only should he mitigate against the loss of Modric, I think we could even be far better balanced.

 

[Mullers]

So few actually seem to be able to see the positives of Ramos. That year the L-cup gather more excitement and publicity than the FA cup, and Spurs trashed Arsenal in the semis.
Levy also kind of admitted (at least according to bona fied ITK) that apart from Ramos' lack of English the DoF system at Spurs was a bit chaotic and confusing as Levy hadn't figured out yet how to make it work smoothly. In the end it was a players' revolt that ousted Ramos.
And it was not Ramos fault that Spurs lost both Keane & Berba just before the new season started with no proper replacements in place.

Yep and people forget this, that was a tremendous fuck up, by Levy and co and certainly not mentioned by Harry when he was doing is 2 points from 8 games mantra.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

Yep and people forget this, that was a tremendous fuck up, by Levy and co and certainly not mentioned by Harry when he was doing is 2 points from 8 games mantra.

Although that's true, we won 3 games after the Carling Cup final with Berbatov and Keane until the end of the season. We also spent that time getting beaten at home 4-1 by the likes of Newcastle. Keane and Berbatov were a factor in what happened, but they were such a small portion of the fuck ups that Ramos made.

 

[Mullers]

Although that's true, we won 3 games after the Carling Cup final with Berbatov and Keane until the end of the season. We also spent that time getting beaten at home 4-1 by the likes of Newcastle. Keane and Berbatov were a factor in what happened, but they were such a small portion of the fuck ups that Ramos made.

Yes, it's true he made a lot of fuck ups and I predicted that he wouldn't last at the time but I am just pointing out there were some positives.

 

[StartingPrice]

Yes, it's true he made a lot of fuck ups and I predicted that he wouldn't last at the time but I am just pointing out there were some positives.

Yeah, one of the positives was that we maintained our one trophy per decade appraoch to sustained success

 

[Mullers]

Yeah, one of the positives was that we maintained our one trophy per decade appraoch to sustained success

It's a tough job but someone's got to do it.

 

[StartingPrice]

It's a tough job but someone's got to do it.

YEah...but look...the Goons have started copying us