Ramos, your thoughts so far

[PT]

I know this thread is not about Ramos directly but my one fear is that is in European managers' veins that they jump ship after one or two seasons, tops. I reckon we have one more season with this guy, unless he absolutely storms the place next year.

 

[hellava_tough]

I think we'd all agree that it'll be next season when we really get to see what Ramos is all about.

But for now, the signs are encouraging:

-A cup

-Spanked Arsenal

-We've started to compete with the top 4 in individual matches (this was unheard of over the last 10 years or more)

I think the nature of the seaon's run-in has taken some of the shine off Ramos' last 2 months.

Perhaps this is was to be expected when players have nothing to play for, perhaps Ramos should be motivating the players better? Who knows.

However, I do think there are a fair few players in the squad that aren't happy with Ramos' tough reigme, and long for easier (fatter) days. And I also think that these same players know that they're going to be sold in the summer, so have stopped caring.

Anyway, all in all, :up: to Ramos.

 

[chinaman]

He's done fine and I'm of the opinion that he'll do much better with a few new signings and a proper pre-season.

 

[Montasura]

-We've started to compete with the top 4 in individual matches (this was unheard of over the last 10 years or more)

Yeah, but our performance against the lower teams in the league is piss poor especially for a team that finished 5th in the last two seasons. Just look at the stats for Saturdays match against Bolton for posession and shots. We still lack the killer instict that is needed to finish these kinds of matches off.

Still, I think Ramos is the right man for Spurs at the moment.

 

[marion52]

CC win papered over some cracks I think, and I'm also worried about Ramos seemingly not able to motivate the players for the end of season games!
5th is a minimun for next season, otherwise it means we have gone backwards.

 

[milkman]

i fucking love Ramos.

 

[DC_Boy]

I'm a big Ramos fan - I said about a month into his reign that he's gonna be our best manager since at least Burkinshaw - some people thought I was being hasty- for me it's called prediction - so far I still think the same way

he's delivered a trophy already - just one more and he'll almost certainly be the best since good ole Keith

 

[SpurSince57]

I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do with a squad of his choosing a full pre-season to train the players in his ways. He is a top class manager, unafraid to make the big tactical changes early in the game rather than wait to the 70th minute, and what is just as important he is renowned for building teams that play a fast and exciting to watch style of football. We are very lucky to have him.

Well, yes, but I was under the impression that he'd been brought in to sort out a squad that was underperforming under Jol.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

For me the mark of a top manager, in any field not just in football, is if he can work with the staff he inherits and raise their performance. I am not convinced that we have seen that improvement yet under Ramos. Yes he won the cup, but that owed a lot to bringing in two new players and a Lazarus like appearance from Leds.

One of my concerns with the appointment of Ramos was always that he would have very fixed ideas about the players he wanted and that this would mean we would be back to square one in terms of squad building. That seems to be the case. The upside of this has been that Ramos has forced the Board into the recognition that to match his ambition they have to change the transfer policy.

The tragedy for me is that if the Board had approached the last summer window as they are approaching this one we could well be in a CL place by now.

It depends on where you are measuring from. Are we talking about the staff who finished 5th last season...or the staff who only managed to win one game in 12 and were looking like relegation material.

If it's the latter, then surely it cannot be denied that he has raised the performance of the team that started the season.

What was Ramos' brief when he took over? My guess is that it would of been to avoid relegation first and then qualify for Europe second. He did that...job done.

The end of season slump is a direct result of Ramos doing his job in the most efficient manner possible.

 

[buttons]

I think its difficult to judge at the min as things have been a bit flat recently.....since February 24th to be precise! Im looking forward to him having a full pre season and being able to stamp his mark on the team.......have a really good feeling about him tho, he is a winner!

 

[Jody]

tbh, i think rambo is on cruise control at the moment. probably doesn't care too much for how the current performances reflect on him. he's just bidding his time, taking everything in, plotting.......

 

[Yid-ol]

i think he has done enough to show there is hope for next season once he refines the squad abit to more of his liking, though there are afew bits i still am not convinced at, like the unable to motivate certain players!! and afew of his tactical choices still seem strange and wrong to me but then i am not a manager :lol: just really hope he can improve us in the leauge and still push us further in one or two more of the cups next season

 

[Loque]

definitely pro Ramos. He seems to take no crap, drills winning mentality into the team and instills an innate attacking football sense. That and he seems to have balls. Jol was a good manager, but in my eyes Ramos seems to be able to do Jose Mourinho-esque substitutions and make things work. Almost like he's playing CM sometimes. Throws on all the attackers to get the goal needed, either to win or equalise - hallmarks of Audere est facere!

If he gets his team playing the way he wants them to play we'll have a juicy season to look forward to! Plus the squad will be super fit 'cos Ramos and Alvarez will make them work like dogs in preseason!

 

[SpurSince57]

definitely pro Ramos. He seems to take no crap, drills winning mentality into the team and instills an innate attacking football sense. That and he seems to have balls. Jol was a good manager, but in my eyes Ramos seems to be able to do Jose Mourinho-esque substitutions and make things work. Almost like he's playing CM sometimes. Throws on all the attackers to get the goal needed, either to win or equalise - hallmarks of Audere est facere!

If he gets his team playing the way he wants them to play we'll have a juicy season to look forward to! Plus the squad will be super fit 'cos Ramos and Alvarez will make them work like dogs in preseason!

Or not, on occasion.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

For me the mark of a top manager, in any field not just in football, is if he can work with the staff he inherits and raise their performance. I am not convinced that we have seen that improvement yet under Ramos. Yes he won the cup, but that owed a lot to bringing in two new players and a Lazarus like appearance from Leds.

One of my concerns with the appointment of Ramos was always that he would have very fixed ideas about the players he wanted and that this would mean we would be back to square one in terms of squad building. That seems to be the case. The upside of this has been that Ramos has forced the Board into the recognition that to match his ambition they have to change the transfer policy.

The tragedy for me is that if the Board had approached the last summer window as they are approaching this one we could well be in a CL place by now.

But do you not think that this was one of the major problems with Jol. It wasn't that the board didn't spend money (40 mil last summer) it was that he wasn't actually brilliant at spotting the strengths and weaknesses in the squad. Ramos seemed to do it in 5 minutes. And had the cahoonies to make it understood. After watching Jol make big mistakes with players he'd forced out and in maybe some confidence had clearly ebbed away in his judgement.

I don't think Modric or Hutton are departures from the policy at all. Woodgate was pretty much.

 

[SpurSince57]

But we don't know just how much clout Jol had. We don't know how much clout Comolli had, either—which is why I refuse to jump on the 'Comolli is a clueless clown' bandwagon. For all you know, for all I know, for all any of us knows, they may have identified areas in which we needed experience, only to have their ideas vetoed by Levy. We spent £40m on players who have made a negligible impact.

Jol expressed doubts and was sacked. Dead right, Ramos identified the weak points. So did most of SC.

 

[eddiebailey]

After watching Jol make big mistakes with players he'd forced out and in maybe some confidence had clearly ebbed away in his judgement.

Out of interest which players do you think Jol made a big mistake by forcing out?

Certainly as far as the current squad goes, it is quite noticeable that the players who were in favour under Jol have remained in favour under Ramos, and those who were out of favour have continued to be out of favour.