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  • Lloris

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Walker

    Votes: 5 1.1%
  • Dawson

    Votes: 1 0.2%
  • Chiriches

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rose

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Lamela

    Votes: 5 1.1%
  • Erikson

    Votes: 7 1.5%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 2 0.4%
  • Sigurdsson

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Solado

    Votes: 9 2.0%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 428 93.0%

  • Total voters
    460

Black

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May 21, 2007
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Lloris - 6 - Could have been better
Walker - 7- Solid
Dawson - 7.5 - Though he was very good today with the little protection he was offered
Vlad - 5 - Got caught on his blind side too often
Rose - 5 - Felt like he lost the ball so many time, offered siggs nothing
Lemela - 6 - Looked good, needs more games
Eriksen - 6 - Thought he could have done a lot more
Dembele - 5 - Way too many touches, always losing the ball
Siggs - 6 - Could have done more and he did have rose behind him
Ade - 9 - Avb is such a fool
Soldado - 8 - Only if he had taken his chances

Bentalab - 7 - looks like taarabt with out the extra flair, he needs to play more
Chadli -7- looked like a different player on the right

Defoe was Defoe
 

B0NZ0

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Not to dampen spirits but keep in mind that Ade is an unstoppable player on his day, but that is the problem he often goes missing more than not. I hope TS can get the best out of him for the rest of the season but many managers have tried and failed. Possibly the AVB situation, plus his age have made him refocus on playing.

Also, lots of strange praise / defence for Lamela, whilst I'm a fan and see great potential, people seem blind to his performances. Today he was poor, in the first half he made one meaningful contribution and that was the toe poke to Ade for the first goal. Watching the game back nearly every time he got the ball he lost possession, I don't know what the answer is but we cant carry a player like that every game. I think he will come good but some people on here are more than a little bias about his performance.
 

davidmatzdorf

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Lloris 6 - too much punching, not enough catching, but he still smothers attacks that would be chances if we had a different goalkeeper

Walker 6.5 - reliable in defence except once, but missed Lennon to play off when attacking

Dawson 6 - OK, but didn't excel

Chiriches 5.5 - only one positional error of any magnitude, but it was exposed by our lack of a defensive midfielder and helped to put us behind; lacked his usual attacking input

Rose 6.5 - far better in the second half, after being mugged a few times by Chambers before half time

Lamela 5 - I'm still not seeing anything except pretty dribbles leading to losing the ball; tackled enthusiastically, but amateurishly; he's a very talented player, but we aren't seeing the fruits of his talents and we won't until he develops some upper body strength

Dembele 6 - I thought he coped OK with a very demanding role in the absence of a defensive midfielder

Eriksen 7 - knitted everything together quietly, did good defensive work too

Sigurdsson 5.5 - a bit anonymous, without doing anything especially grievous

Adebayor 9 - everything you want from Adebayor: goals, hold-up play, defending from the front, closing down, controlling the ball on the flank, energy, occupying defenders, the complete package; if he played like this in 2/3 of his matches, he'd be one of the world's premier strikers

Soldado 6.5 - great work for the assist, but really should have scored at least once; I've been excusing his lack of goals by citing lack of service, but no such excuse will wash today - he just couldn't shoot on target


Bentaleb 7 - a composed, controlled, un-flustered and capable debut from a 19 year old with zero first team experience, being chucked in quite early in a high-pressure game away from home; 'promising' would be faint praise; really a very impressive performance

Chadli 7 - did very well

Defoe NET
 

Bus-Conductor

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Hhmmm….

Is it just a little bit of history repeating itself ? So we follow the foreign guy with new fangled ideas with the English guy who says what we want to hear.

The starting line up was straight out of the Harry Redknapp Silver Linings playbook. Just stick the best 11 players you have into a 442. Fuck a holding midfielder away from home, or matching up their three man midfield, I'm picking sides and I want Eriksen in a cm2, Lamela as a right winger. It was reminiscent of Modric in the CM2 with VDV right wing that we saw a few times under Redknapp. It was a really naive piece of team selection and we were fucking lucky that Southampton didn't have the wherewithal to capitalise. We've been moaning about AVB's team selections, so there is no way we can condone the stupidity of this. Last week I moaned that he pitched a CM2 against Liverpool's 3. That would have been 10-3 to Liverpool today, they'd have murdered that set up, as would many decent sides.

As was often the case with Redknapp though, there was a silver lining, and that silver lining was Adebayor. We all know what Adebayor is capable of. Today we got the real McCoy. We don't win that game and create most of the chances we did without him. Not just the goals and the chances he created for others, but he also saw more more ball than three of our midfield 4.

Without him that would have been a very different game.

The first half was dire. We couldn't string three passes together and Southampton were equally disappointing.
Not only could we not pass but it seems like we are no longer pressing the ball at all anymore. They managed to move the ball from their corner of the pitch to score without any of our players getting within two yards of any of theirs.

The second half we were much better, kept the ball better for the first 20-25 minutes of it. As for the goals, the first one was a great piece of work by Soldado and a great finish by Adebayor, the second was fucking fortuitous as Rose had three players to aim a cut back to, but instead chose to whack it at their defender who scored for us. The third goal was one of those scrappy affairs that you can't help but notice was conspicuous by it's absence from many previous games this year. A ball bobbles around, drops to Adebayor who slots it through a defenders legs (how many times did stuff get blocked in previous games). The counter argument is that it was the inclusion of the previously persona non grata Adebayor that was the vital factor.

The second half was a pretty open affair, with us undoubtedly making more chances, Southampton carved out two or three one v ones, as did we and Soldado missed another couple of humdingers on top.

Eriksen did produce the odd nice touch, including a sweet little ball for Rose that led to the goal, but was largely lost amongst the maelstrom that was the middle third for much of this game.

The defence continues to worry me massively, all of them.

A major positive factor was that we clearly seemed to get more bodies in the box to support attacks. Something we haven't been doing well previously.

I'm not nocking Lamela, I'm glad he was picked ahead of Lennon, he has ability and works hard and I'm sure in time will prove to be a good acquisition, but 30 million ? 30 fucking million ? Shish man, gotta say, I can't remember 30m ever looking this skinny.

The last sub was bonkers. AVB bonkers. Surely Capoue on to shore up the game ?

I'm not being wilfully churlish here I promise. I have no problem in theory with Sherwood getting the job. Before the first two games I'd hoped his time with the youth set up, playing hight tempo 433 type football would be his MO I admit, and I don't really care what the formation is as long as we work hard, pass the ball and play good football. I also like that he seems to be more willing to trust good development players. Hope this is a feature.

I know some will see more positives than me in the Redknappesque nature of that game today, the fact that them having so much ball and us breaking meant we were attacking four defenders sometimes instead of 10. I wish I could say I loved it too, but I didn't. I didn't hate every aspect, but I didn't love every aspect either.

It's early days, lets see what happens in the coming games, we have injuries to come back into the reckoning and will be interesting to see what happens.

First two games have been really hard to weigh up, to see the rhyme or reason in some of the selections, the balance, the tactics not all bad, not all good.

Individual

Lloris - Had a bit of a mare to be honest. I thought he was a bit flat footed for the first goal, shouldn't have come out for the second and punched a few badly.

Walker - Defensively pretty sound today. Offensively didn't offer a lot. Be nice if he could throw it to a team mate occasionally.

Dawson - Dawson

Chiriches - Another who was less than impressive really. Poor in the air, got done twice on through balls (although Rose played one onside I think) and too easily lost by Lallana for the first.

Rose - Got very lucky with the cross which wasn't heading for any of our players. Defensively some less than great moments, and struggles with the offside line. First full game back I guess. Doesn't fill me with loads of confidence at either end I have to say.

Lamela - Tried hard to involve himself. Maybe tried too much at times, I don't know ? Needs to just compose himself at times and his touch and choices will improve. Have to say though, 30m looks very steep.

Eriksen - OK. Don't want to be seeing him too often in a cm2.

Dembele - Second game running he's been caught too much fannying around on the ball. Hard pressers do not suit him. In fact, the odd blinder aside, I'm not overly fond of him in a CM2 either.

Sigurdsson - Very typical Sigurdsson. Has some ability but generally takes a very flotsam jetsam approach to applying it.

Soldado - I was disappointed with his finishing and his work off the ball at times. With that midfield you really want your strikers helping out more than he did at times. The positives are his movement was good, his set up for Adebayor excellent, and he does see a little more of the ball than Defoe.

Adebayor - I hope he's back and his head stays right for the rest of the season. You can almost afford to get some of your tactics skewed if you have a match winner like him on song. You forget how invaluable he was in his "good" season and we actually had 4 world class players in the same team at the same time once.

Bentaleb - Great to see the kid given some time and for him to step up to the mark required on this occasion.

Chadli - Thought he did quiet well while he was on.
 
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Mouse!

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Lloris - 5
Walker - 8
Dawson - 5
Chiriches - 5
Rose - 6
Dembele - 6
Eriksen - 7
Sigurdsson - 5
Lamela - 6
Adebayor - 9
Soldado - 7

Bentaleb - 8
Chadli - 8
Defoe - NET
 

Jules

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Aug 23, 2005
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Lloris - 6 - Too punchy, the ball is not a hot potato
Walker - 7.5 - Good solid game
Dawson - 7.5 - Good game
Vlad - 5 - Poor, got caught out several times
Rose - 6 - A game of two halves
Lemela - 6 - Tried but didn't achieve
Eriksen - 7 - Looked good
Dembele - 5 - He's injured
Siggs - 6.5 - Worked hard defensively but little influence going forward
Ade - 9 - Great game, let's hope the smile stays
Soldado - 7.5 - Should have scored

Subs
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Bentalab - 7 - Solid
Chadli -7- Played well
Defoe - 6 - Average
 

Samson

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May 14, 2007
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Hhmmm….

Is it just a little bit of history repeating itself ? So we follow the foreign guy with new fangled ideas with the English guy who says what we want to hear.

The starting line up was straight out of the Harry Redknapp Silver Linings playbook. Just stick the best 11 players you have into a 442. Fuck a holding midfielder away from home, or matching up their three man midfield, I'm picking sides and I want Eriksen in a cm2, Lamela as a right winger. It was reminiscent of Modric in the CM2 with VDV right wing that we saw a few times under Redknapp. It was a really naive piece of team selection and we were fucking lucky that Southampton didn't have the wherewithal to capitalise. We've been moaning about AVB's team selections, so there is no way we can condone the stupidity of this. Last week I moaned that he pitched a CM2 against Liverpool's 3. That would have been 10-3 to Liverpool today, they'd have murdered that set up, as would many decent sides.

As was often the case with Redknapp though, there was a silver lining, and that silver lining was Adebayor. We all know what Adebayor is capable of. Today we got the real McCoy. We don't win that game and create most of the chances we did without him. Not just the goals and the chances he created for others, but he also saw more more ball than three of our midfield 4.

Without him that would have been a very different game.

The first half was dire. We couldn't string three passes together and Southampton were equally disappointing.
Not only could we not pass but it seems like we are no longer pressing the ball at all anymore. They managed to move the ball from their corner of the pitch to score without any of our players getting within two yards of any of theirs.

The second half we were much better, kept the ball better for the first 20-25 minutes of it. As for the goals, the first one was a great piece of work by Soldado and a great finish by Adebayor, the second was fucking fortuitous as Rose had three players to aim a cut back to, but instead chose to whack it at their defender who scored for us. The third goal was one of those scrappy affairs that you can't help but notice was conspicuous by it's absence from many previous games this year. A ball bobbles around, drops to Adebayor who slots it through a defenders legs (how many times did stuff get blocked in previous games). The counter argument is that it was the inclusion of the previously persona non grata Adebayor that was the vital factor.

The second half was a pretty open affair, with us undoubtedly making more chances, Southampton carved out two or three one v ones, as did we and Soldado missed another couple of humdingers on top.

Eriksen did produce the odd nice touch, including a sweet little ball for Rose that led to the goal, but was largely lost amongst the maelstrom that was the middle third for much of this game.

The defence continues to worry me massively, all of them.

A major positive factor was that we clearly seemed to get more bodies in the box to support attacks. Something we haven't been doing well previously.

I'm not nocking Lamela, I'm glad he was picked ahead of Lennon, he has ability and works hard and I'm sure in time will prove to be a good acquisition, but 30 million ? 30 fucking million ? Shish man, gotta say, I can't remember 30m ever looking this skinny.

The last sub was bonkers. AVB bonkers. Surely Capoue on to shore up the game ?

I'm not being wilfully churlish here I promise. I have no problem in theory with Sherwood getting the job. Before the first two games I'd hoped his time with the youth set up, playing hight tempo 433 type football would be his MO I admit, and I don't really care what the formation is as long as we work hard, play good football. I also like that he seems to be more willing to trust good development players. Hope this is a feature.

It's early days, lets see what happens in the coming games, we have injuries to come back into the reckoning and will be interesting to see what happens.

First two games have been really hard to weigh up, to see the rhyme or reason in some of the selections, the balance, the tactics not all bad, not all good.

Individual

Lloris - Had a bit of a mare to be honest. I thought he was a bit flat footed for the first goal, shouldn't have come out for the second and punched a few badly.

Walker - Defensively pretty sound today. Offensively didn't offer a lot. Be nice if he could throw it to a team mate occasionally.

Dawson - Dawson

Chiriches - Another who was less than impressive really. Poor in the air, got done twice on through balls (although Rose played one onside I think) and too easily lost by Lallana for the first.

Rose - Got very lucky with the cross which wasn't heading for any of our players. Defensively some less than great moments, and struggles with the offside line. First full game back I guess. Doesn't fill me with loads of confidence at either end I have to say.

Lamela - Tried hard to involve himself. Maybe tried too much at times, I don't know ? Needs to just compose himself at times and his touch and choices will improve. Have to say though, 30m looks very steep.

Eriksen - OK. Don't want to be seeing him too often in a cm2.

Dembele - Second game running he's been caught too much fannying around on the ball. Hard pressers do not suit him. In fact, the odd blinder aside, I'm not overly fond of him in a CM2 either.

Sigurdsson - Very typical Sigurdsson. Has some ability but generally takes a very flotsam jetsam approach to applying it.

Soldado - I was disappointed with his finishing and his work off the ball at times. With that midfield you really want your strikers helping out more than he did at times. The positives are his movement was good, his set up for Adebayor excellent, and he does see a little more of the ball than Defoe.

Adebayor - I hope he's back and his head stays right for the rest of the season. You can almost afford to get some of your tactics skewed if you have a match winner like him on song. You forget how invaluable he was in his "good" season and we actually had 4 world class players in the same team at the same time once.

Bentaleb - Great to see the kid given some time and for him to step up to the mark required on this occasion.

Chadli - Thought he did quiet well while he was on.



Sherwood seems to be pandering to a the desires that were frustrated by AVB. 2 strikers, picking all the expensive players, picking young players, Adebayor back in. I wouldn't read too much into it as a tactical plan, but that may be wishful thinking given he has Ferdinand as his assistant.
 

mpickard2087

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Just caught up with the match, I don't know where to start...

An incredible line up from Sherwood and co. It seems that we may be taking the all out attack approach and just backing ourselves to score more goals than the opposition. This might make for entertaining games, and some big wins, but it may also lead to heart-attack inducing games and some crazy losses. I guess you have to give Sherwood some credit, he is going to make the most of his time in charge it seems, make some bold decisions and be judged on them. Whether they pay off, we shall see I guess...

I thought we struggled to get into it for the first 25 mins. Lallana predictably found a lot of time and space all game as the midfield couldn't pick him up and indeed got the opening goal and this was where the main danger came from all game. Credit though the team didn't let their heads drop and we got back into it. It seems as if the main difference is the number of people we commit to the box and are willing to get on the end of chances and we threatened quite regularly from crosses and also runs in behind the defence from Soldado and Adebayor, who looked a good pairing.

Speaking of personnel... I thought Walker did well. The rest of the back four all had their moments though, and Lloris again makes a bad error of judgement. The midfield duo didn't work for me. Eriksen I will give credit he tried hard to play the role and got his foot in and tracked back, Dembele though never seemed to settle and I though looked poor until injury forced him off. Lamela and Sigurdsson put in a shift but were both pretty blunt in attack. Soldado should have scored, but his runs and link play was ok and Adebayor grew as the game went on and we saw promising signs of a partnership.

A morale boosting win and something to build on, though still work to be done.

Lloris - Out smartly on one occasion but I don't know what he was doing for the 2nd goal. This is now getting a tad concerning. Houston, we may have a problem.

Walker - Largely uneventful game. In a good run of form.

Dawson - For the most part ok, tricky game for the back four when not getting much protection in front of them by the midfield. Lallana did run off him for the 2nd goal though.

Chiriches - Same as Dawson. Towards the end they ran in behind him a couple of times though which puts a blemish on his performance.

Rose - Had a 10-15 min spell in the first half where things didn't go well for him, but recovered and made the 2nd goal for us.

Lamela - What to make of him... Put in a good shift and when he plays instinctively and quickly he looks neat and tidy. With time on the ball he invariably loses possession though. You're just waiting for him to really light things up!

Dembele - Never really got going. Hassled throughout and seemed to struggle to get the ball away.

Eriksen - Tried hard and was relatively disciplined in all that he did. Kudos for sticking to the task.

Sigurdsson - A pretty typical Sigurdsson performance. Tries hard, works pretty hard, with the ball not much of note though.

Soldado - Made his runs, held the ball up well, lovely cross for the opening goal. Should have bagged a couple for himself though.

Adebayor - I actually thought the West Ham game was a better performance. He wasn't as involved today and didn't quite work as hard as the other night... The goals were two good finishes though and you could see the confidence grow and by the end of the game he was involved in most of what we were doing. Much more of this and AVB is going to look very silly indeed.

Subs:

Bentaleb - What a big call to bring him on, and he didn't disappoint. Confident, used the ball well and released it quickly, and hard to shrug off it at times when you thought he might lose it. Almost like a less frustrating version of Dembele.

Chadli - Did two or three good things. A good cameo off the bench.

Defoe - No time, though he did little of note.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Oct 19, 2004
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Sherwood seems to be pandering to a the desires that were frustrated by AVB. 2 strikers, picking all the expensive players, picking young players, Adebayor back in. I wouldn't read too much into it as a tactical plan, but that may be wishful thinking given he has Ferdinand as his assistant.


This is the worry, it's not a manager with a clear philosophy (and yes Bear I'm allowed to use that word, Sherwood did) just one playing to the gallery(s).

There was zero logic to some of that team today. Lamela and Sig aren't wingers, Eriksen and Dembele sure as shit don't belong in a cm2 against one of the leagues best passing and pressing teams.

I'd have been perfectly happy to play Eriksen and dembele either side of Capoue and have Adebayor in the middle of Lamela, Sig or Chadli in a 433. I don't think Southampto were ever going to be a bus parker so no need to go so kamikaze and have a such a chocolate teapot midfield. We could have scored more but so could they, and they've been out of form more than us lately.
 
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Breezer

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Aug 27, 2004
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A lot of people criticising Chichires's positional play. I agree it could have been better. But it's not easy when we don't play with a DM and Southampton put players in the hole between our midfield and defence. Chichires had no option but to be drawn out of position to close down the play which made it easy for Southampton to pass around him.
 

bigpalacios

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Jun 7, 2009
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We might as well play an all out attacking team because we have been smashed 3 times this season playing conservatively.

I think we should play Defoe in net and really take it to the opposition.

The spirit of ossie and harry is amongst us people.

Come on you san antonio spurs!!!
 

Legend10

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Jul 8, 2006
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I'm still trying to work out the AVB methodology!

So far I've got to defend in a suicidal high line when there's zero pressure on the ball and with no pace to recover, play slow slow slow from side to side, shoot when you get within 30 yards, get no players in the box, no crosses into the box and rely on 30 yard screamers and penalties for goals!

And people complain about how we went about the game today!

And if we don't win that game today without Adebayor (which is strange to say because we er did have him) then we finish mid table last season without Bale ( which we didn't because we did have him).
 
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