Ratings v Fulham

[walworthyid]

You really haven't the first shade of a clue as to why Modric is such a brilliant footballer, this post shows so much misunderstanding I'm at a loss where to start.

Yep! It really is quite something?

 

[ShelfSide18]

I think the first mistake people make about Modric is they think he is/should be a matchwinner, he's not, that's the VDVs/Kranjcars of the world, what Modric is, and is so good at is matchmaking, where he dictates our tempo, our flow, our ability to be fluid and interchangeable. He passes and moves, the whole game, the heartbeat of the side and he does it with intelligence. He rarely plays a pass down a blind alley, almost like a chess player he sees what is going to happen before most others do. It's the constant tick, tick, tick of our play when he's there that allows the matchwinners to be so effective. You need both types of players to be successful and now we have Modric and VDV in the same side, we have something potentially very special indeed.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think the first mistake people make about Modric is they think he is/should be a matchwinner, he's not, that's the VDVs/Kranjcars of the world, what Modric is, and is so good at is matchmaking, where he dictates our tempo, our flow, our ability to be fluid and interchangeable. He passes and moves, the whole game, the heartbeat of the side and he does it with intelligence. He rarely plays a pass down a blind alley, almost like a chess player he sees what is going to happen before most others do. It's the constant tick, tick, tick of our play when he's there that allows the matchwinners to be so effective. You need both types of players to be successful and now we have Modric and VDV in the same side, we have something potentially very special indeed.

Yeah agreed, I saw that post and just decided there is no point in responding to that sort of lack of understanding.

 

[stemark44]

Modric has been poor for a number of games now but still we have guys wanking over his performance's.He played ok in the second half yesterday after being useless in the first.
The man himself has stated that he is not playing well after a few injuries but still you rave about his every move.
I understand lads - you love him and you think the sun shine's out of his arse -thats' ok,just come out of the closet and scream 'I love you Luka no matter what you do!'

 

[ShelfSide18]

Modric has been poor for a number of games now but still we have guys wanking over his performance's.He played ok in the second half yesterday after being useless in the first.
The man himself has stated that he is not playing well after a few injuries but still you rave about his every move.
I understand lads - you love him and you think the sun shine's out of his arse -thats' ok,just come out of the closet and scream 'I love you Luka no matter what you do!'

All I have done is try to explain why Modric is a brilliant player, I didn't make a comment on his recent form apart from my ratings post which said it wasn't his best game.

I was talking about him in general as a player, not about his current form - which isn't his most impressive best.

 

[Mr Pink]

Modric has been poor for a number of games now but still we have guys wanking over his performance's.He played ok in the second half yesterday after being useless in the first.
The man himself has stated that he is not playing well after a few injuries but still you rave about his every move.
I understand lads - you love him and you think the sun shine's out of his arse -thats' ok,just come out of the closet and scream 'I love you Luka no matter what you do!'

How in any way, shape or form does that mean he's suddenly not a fantastic footballer? - which he is.

Mind boggling.

 

[stemark44]

How in any way, shape or form does that mean he's suddenly not a fantastic footballer? - which he is.

Mind boggling.

Where does' it say that I don't think Modric is a good player?
I do think he is a quality player,not world class and not someone who could play for any team in the world,but a very good player nonetheless.

All I am saying is that he is currently playing below his usual standard and he has stated that himself.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

I think the first mistake people make about Modric is they think he is/should be a matchwinner, he's not, that's the VDVs/Kranjcars of the world, what Modric is, and is so good at is matchmaking, where he dictates our tempo, our flow, our ability to be fluid and interchangeable. He passes and moves, the whole game, the heartbeat of the side and he does it with intelligence. He rarely plays a pass down a blind alley, almost like a chess player he sees what is going to happen before most others do. It's the constant tick, tick, tick of our play when he's there that allows the matchwinners to be so effective. You need both types of players to be successful and now we have Modric and VDV in the same side, we have something potentially very special indeed.

I think you have summed up his game nicely and this is what he does when he's at the races. He is off the pace right now, he's said so himself. When he goes off the boil or is coming back from an injury, it takes him a long time to find his mojo. My biggest issue with him is that he often starts to run out of steam around the hour mark.

 

[StartingPrice]

SO what can we deduce from the above discussion:
:think:
Modric is crap;
We conceded a goal, which almost never happens in football, is a disaster, and is everyone's fault (ritualy hari-kiri should ensue), but especially Hutton and Gallas, or just Hutton or just Gallas (string te pair of 'em up, anyways);
BC is the most important member of our team (no doubt we cpnceded that devastating goal 'cos B was absent - string 'im up, an all):shrug::duh:

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think the first mistake people make about Modric is they think he is/should be a matchwinner, he's not, that's the VDVs/Kranjcars of the world, what Modric is, and is so good at is matchmaking, where he dictates our tempo, our flow, our ability to be fluid and interchangeable. He passes and moves, the whole game, the heartbeat of the side and he does it with intelligence. He rarely plays a pass down a blind alley, almost like a chess player he sees what is going to happen before most others do. It's the constant tick, tick, tick of our play when he's there that allows the matchwinners to be so effective. You need both types of players to be successful and now we have Modric and VDV in the same side, we have something potentially very special indeed.

It really does seem bizarre that there are people who need to be told this. But well said anyway.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I think the first mistake people make about Modric is they think he is/should be a matchwinner, he's not, that's the VDVs/Kranjcars of the world, what Modric is, and is so good at is matchmaking, where he dictates our tempo, our flow, our ability to be fluid and interchangeable. He passes and moves, the whole game, the heartbeat of the side and he does it with intelligence. He rarely plays a pass down a blind alley, almost like a chess player he sees what is going to happen before most others do. It's the constant tick, tick, tick of our play when he's there that allows the matchwinners to be so effective. You need both types of players to be successful and now we have Modric and VDV in the same side, we have something potentially very special indeed.

Unfortunately, people see a guy who's best qualities are his touch and imagination, and they think that he has to be a number 10 type to be any good. Half these people would probably bitch just as much about Xavi (ok, he is the best, but he didn't get this good until his late 20's anyway) if we had him, or, dare I say, Ardiles if he were playing now.

Modric, while capable of putting forth that final killer ball, and of beating a man, is primarily there to knit the play together and orchestrate the moves so that others may get the glory. It's no coincidence that against Fulham and against Villa we improved when he did, because he is the player in our team who generally gets the ball from our area to the final third via good passing moves.

 

[WhiteHart4Ever]

Just saw the highlights, but glad to see tHudd and BAE getting some well-deserved rep (based on performances so far this season), and finally a contest not just between VDV and Bale for MoM - though have to say the touch made by VDV for the chip that PAV turned into a goal was sublime..

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Unfortunately, people see a guy who's best qualities are his touch and imagination, and they think that he has to be a number 10 type to be any good. Half these people would probably bitch just as much about Xavi (ok, he is the best, but he didn't get this good until his late 20's anyway) if we had him, or, dare I say, Ardiles if he were playing now.

Modric, while capable of putting forth that final killer ball, and of beating a man, is primarily there to knit the play together and orchestrate the moves so that others may get the glory. It's no coincidence that against Fulham and against Villa we improved when he did, because he is the player in our team who generally gets the ball from our area to the final third via good passing moves.

Why do the media constantly refer to him as an attacking midfielder? It gets on my tits.

 

[brett.spurs]

As do many on here, I think it's purely because of his build.

 

[tRiKS]

Hows king getting 6's... you don't get points taken off for getting injured. Was vital for us while our shape was expsoed in first half. Second half our shape was better and Gallas had pulled his head out of his arse. King was a 7.5

BAE was MOTM though.

 

[Mr Pink]

Hows king getting 6's... you don't get points taken off for getting injured. Was vital for us while our shape was expsoed in first half. Second half our shape was better and Gallas had pulled his head out of his arse. King was a 7.5

BAE was MOTM though.

Totally agree. Also King's tackle in the first half was immense.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

For the record, I don't think it was our shape that was exposed. I know I keep repeating this - but our midfield is always less dynamic, less able to press and dominate when Huddlestone is there in the wrong combo. Sandro was great for 20 minutes and Huddlestone benefited from his energy, but a combination of the pace & intensity of the EPL, his first game, booking, started to slow Sandro up and Huddlestone shrunk back into his shell a bit and the pair of them just became passive as we have seen in several games lately where Huddlestone is in CM (Arse/ManC away first half/ManC H second half etc) Fulham then got on top for the next 25 from what I saw and have been told.

Modric comes into CM second half and what we have is Huddlestone reverting to his deeper less adventurous role, Modric moving and grooving, giving and going and we have some dynamism back in CM.

The shape is fine, and it worked well second half against Villa and first 20 and second half pretty well against fulham, it's getting the balance right within that shape.

The two more disciplined CM's in the 4231, must be dynamic and able to play a high tempo pressing, passing & moving game.

At the moment of the four, Huddlestone and Sandro are probably the least best equipped to do this for 90 minutes as we saw Saturday.

 

[stemark44]

It really does seem bizarre that there are people who need to be told this. But well said anyway.

I don't need to be told anything about how any of our players are supposed to play or what qualities they have for certain positions.

I have said in the past that Corluka,Palacios,Lennon have been out of sorts and needed to be dropped.They were.
I have pointed out that Modric has been playing poorly for the past couple of weeks and guess what? The player himself states that he is just back from a few niggling injuries and is not playing well.

It appears that our manager and one of our better players agrees with my opinion.Thats good enough for me.

 

[Marty]

I don't need to be told anything about how any of our players are supposed to play or what qualities they have for certain positions.

I have said in the past that Corluka,Palacios,Lennon have been out of sorts and needed to be dropped.They were.
I have pointed out that Modric has been playing poorly for the past couple of weeks and guess what? The player himself states that he is just back from a few niggling injuries and is not playing well.

It appears that our manager and one of our better players agrees with my opinion.Thats good enough for me.

What you're saying is fine, and you have every right to back that up. Modric is yet to hit top form because of injuries, as he has admitted himself.

The thing is that when people like Boris go off on a rant saying how crap, overrated and out-of-his-depth Modric is, despite the amount of fantastic games he has played for us in the past and that he is still playing well now although we know he can be even better, people clearly need reminding what his role in the team actually is.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I don't need to be told anything about how any of our players are supposed to play or what qualities they have for certain positions.

I have said in the past that Corluka,Palacios,Lennon have been out of sorts and needed to be dropped.They were.
I have pointed out that Modric has been playing poorly for the past couple of weeks and guess what? The player himself states that he is just back from a few niggling injuries and is not playing well.

It appears that our manager and one of our better players agrees with my opinion.Thats good enough for me.

No one is having a go at you mate.