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Bus-Conductor

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A funny thing happened tonight. One of those rare occurrences. The chip shop up by Northumberland Park generally does pretty good chips, along with usual offering of (not so) pukka pies, fish cakes, battered sausage and savaloys.

But by some serendipitous act of chance, the chips they churned out into my polystyrene tub, had been fried to absolute perfection. They were full soft and fluffy inside but had a beautifully delicate yellow/gold outer crispness, that as any budding chef knows can usually only be obtained by double (at least) frying at precise temperatures. How the NP chippy managed this whilst churning out about 14 portions a second I have no idea, and I can count the times on one hand when a back street chippy has served me such perfect specimens.

A long with the very competent performances by a hand full of our youngsters, this was the highlight of my night.

The first half started very brightly with the kids all bushy tailed. Carroll particularly impressed, looking neat and tidy, with good movement, continually wanting the ball. I believe it was his superb through ball that Kane won the penalty from.

Fredericks looked nippy, and got to the by line a couple of times. Townsend looked like he usually does, mixed bag of promise, bustle but lacking just a smidgen of composure. Livermore was competent if unspectacular. Kane was possibly the least impressive, perhaps after being much hyped on here, I was expecting a little more. He wasn't bad, just to use a BC cliche, a bit ho hum.

The worries were provided by skipper and vice skipper. I assume Dawson was taken off at half time to avoid further embarrassment. Leaden footed when their fella skanked him and nearly scored, his feet were firmly set in concrete when their other fella (maybe the same fella who knows) walked round him on the byline. Shame that Huddlestone wasn't spared likewise (half time subbing). His movement was unimaginative and laboured, as was his passing, which repeatedly went astray, tamely giving possession away.

After the bright start, very little of this game tested either keeper. I applaud Redknapp for playing these kids wholeheartedly, but with the possible exception of Carroll, none showed overt signs of exceptional intelligence or movement, none of them looked bad either.

Ratings:

Cudicini 7 - Did what he had to do well. Default mark.

Corluka 6 - Still slow but still intelligent.

Dawson 5 - If he is the future, the future's fucked.

Bassong 7 - Good game, there was a moment when Livermore sold him short, but he did exactly the right thing, instead of diving in, jocked, used his pace and got a block in. You just know Dawson would have dived in and committed harry carry or just been outpaced.

Townsend 7.5 - Some promising runs. Slight lack of intelligence.

Fredericks 6.5 - OK.

Livermore 7 - Competent

Huddelstone 6 - Laboured. Tried the same ball over and over. Maybe to prove to himself he could do it. He didn't.

Carroll 8 - Neat, tidy, good movement and constantly wanted to be involved. PLayed a lovely slide rule pass for Kane.

Pavlyuchenko 5 - Forgot he was there second half until he blasted a shot about a mile over the box. Then forgot he was there again.

Kane 6.5 - I've seen worse penalties and he did get on the end of a couple of things, but didn't show me much more, against pretty shit opposition (he won't get an easier team to play against unless we get relegated two divisions).
 

Monkey Bastard Hands

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Cudicini - 6

Bassong - 6.5
Dawson - 6
Corluka - 7
Townsend - 7

Fredericks - 6.5
Livermore - 6.5
Carrol - 7
Huddlestone - 6

Kane 6.5
Pav - 1

Kaboul 6.5

Worst game i've ever seen Pav play. Absolute gash. Everyone else did fine, though I was disappointed with Hudd and Dawson.

Any chance of a MOM poll, BC?
 

mpickard2087

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Pretty much agree BC, think you are slightly generous to Townsend and Fredricks (would knock them down half a mark), and definately too generous to Bassong (would knock him down a full mark). Oh and lets not mention Pav... :lol:

Bassong just doesnt read the game so gets caught in the wrong position. He really doesnt ever anticipate any potential danger. He's lucky that he has pace which can get him out of trouble.
 

steve

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Agree re Carroll - he looks 12 but he's intelligent, always on the move looking for the ball, plays a nice pass and then moves again into space - even pointing where he wanted it. If he can grow a bit physically and sharpen his movement up (instead of constantly moving, a bit more slow, slow, quick) he'll be a player. But he seemed a lot more intelligent than the rest and one to look out for.

Andros won't make it at Spurs IMO. I watched him last year for Millwall against the Swans and he lacks intelligence, doesn't like doing the dirty stuff (i.e. tracking back) and runs down blind alleys too often with no end result. He'll play at a decent level, maybe even the Prem but not for us I think. He promises a lot but delivers not enough - the fans will like him as he's a tricky winger who can be exciting but I don't think there's enough substance there.

The other 2 I wouldn't pass judgement on just yet but the odds are against them.

Livermore is curious. He's neat and tidy on the ball, his passing is decent if unspectacular, he has good physicality and a seemingly good attitude, and is happy to receive the ball. I just wonder if he has any oustanding attribute that will see him make it at Spurs? A little bit jack of all trades master of none in a way. I hope this doesn't sound too negative and I'm certainly not writing him off for us but I think he has a limited time to grab his chance with Spurs and I hope he makes it. 20 years ago he would've done, now I'm not sure he'll get the time.

Pav woeful mostly. Too inconsistent and if we can add to Ade (see what I did there?) then he be the one I'd shove out the door if it were possible.

Huddlestone also poor, if I was mitigating him he looks lacking in fitness even more than normal but I'd also flog him and keep the dynamo that is Palacios. Won't happen though.

The rest just a bit whatever - not a game that will live long in the memory...
 

mpickard2087

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Agree re Carroll - he looks 12 but he's intelligent, always on the move looking for the ball, plays a nice pass and then moves again into space - even pointing where he wanted it. If he can grow a bit physically and sharpen his movement up (instead of constantly moving, a bit more slow, slow, quick) he'll be a player. But he seemed a lot more intelligent than the rest and one to look out for.

Andros won't make it at Spurs IMO. I watched him last year for Millwall against the Swans and he lacks intelligence, doesn't like doing the dirty stuff (i.e. tracking back) and runs down blind alleys too often with no end result. He'll play at a decent level, maybe even the Prem but not for us I think. He promises a lot but delivers not enough - the fans will like him as he's a tricky winger who can be exciting but I don't think there's enough substance there.

The other 2 I wouldn't pass judgement on just yet but the odds are against them.

Livermore is curious. He's neat and tidy on the ball, his passing is decent if unspectacular, he has good physicality and a seemingly good attitude, and is happy to receive the ball. I just wonder if he has any oustanding attribute that will see him make it at Spurs? A little bit jack of all trades master of none in a way. I hope this doesn't sound too negative and I'm certainly not writing him off for us but I think he has a limited time to grab his chance with Spurs and I hope he makes it. 20 years ago he would've done, now I'm not sure he'll get the time.

Pav woeful mostly. Too inconsistent and if we can add to Ade (see what I did there?) then he be the one I'd shove out the door if it were possible.

Huddlestone also poor, if I was mitigating him he looks lacking in fitness even more than normal but I'd also flog him and keep the dynamo that is Palacios. Won't happen though.

The rest just a bit whatever - not a game that will live long in the memory...

From what I have seen of him I think the role he is being asked to play is holding him back slightly, I think he is more of a box-to-box player and against Utd and again tonight has been asked to play the holding role.

His passing is unspectacular, but there is nothing wrong with that. I do feel that he does tend to take an extra touch and hold onto the ball a bit too long before making the pass. Maybe its a confidence thing and playing his way into the team he is taking it steady and not risking it, and with more games and a word in the ear from the coaches he will recycle possession slightly quicker. Apart from that I think he has done well after being thrown in at the deep end a bit.
 

stemark44

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You would think that the experienced guys would be there to calm things down and set a standard for the kids.
Obviously not in Dawson's,Huddlestone's or Pav's locker.

I did feel that Corluka encouraged the kids a lot though and showed his experience on a number of occasions.

I was impressed by young Tom Carroll most of all but I don't like rating youngster's as its early days and any of those kids could turn into fine footballers.
 

jonathanhotspur

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From what I have seen of him I think the role he is being asked to play is holding him back slightly, I think he is more of a box-to-box player and against Utd and again tonight has been asked to play the holding role.

His passing is unspectacular, but there is nothing wrong with that. I do feel that he does tend to take an extra touch and hold onto the ball a bit too long before making the pass. Maybe its a confidence thing and playing his way into the team he is taking it steady and not risking it, and with more games and a word in the ear from the coaches he will recycle possession slightly quicker. Apart from that I think he has done well after being thrown in at the deep end a bit.

I didn't see tonight's game but I can't see anything in this guy at the moment. I agree with the gist of what you're saying here. I don't think he's comfortable on the ball at all.
 

stemark44

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Cudicini - 6

Bassong - 6.5
Dawson - 6
Corluka - 7
Townsend - 7

Fredericks - 6.5
Livermore - 6.5
Carrol - 7
Huddlestone - 6

Kane 6.5
Pav - 1

Kaboul 6.5

Worst game i've ever seen Pav play. Absolute gash. Everyone else did fine, though I was disappointed with Hudd and Dawson.

Any chance of a MOM poll, BC?

I have seen Pav play loads of games like that.
In fact I would disagree and say that I have seen him play worse than that.
This guy can play football like he has never seen a ball before in his fucking life.:bang:

Get rid of him asap...............if there is anyone on this planet that is stupid enough to give us £10m...........take the money and run up the street doing somersaults in celebration!
 

sbrustad

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Andros won't make it at Spurs IMO. I watched him last year for Millwall against the Swans and he lacks intelligence, doesn't like doing the dirty stuff (i.e. tracking back) and runs down blind alleys too often with no end result. He'll play at a decent level, maybe even the Prem but not for us I think. He promises a lot but delivers not enough - the fans will like him as he's a tricky winger who can be exciting but I don't think there's enough substance there.

While I agree that Townsend wasn't the best player on the pitch I thought he worked well tracking back when needed tonight, and he also looked quite exciting going the other way. There was little in the way of end product, but the same can be said for anyone on the pitch today.
 

Bobbins

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Yeah but if you play Pav he will score you goals.

Right?

Isn't that what people keep saying...?
 

lillywhites61

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Was very impressed with Carroll tonight, he looks like he could go far but will need to be physically stronger to make it, mentally he seems already there and confident too always wanting the ball.. Livermore played like he thought he has made it already tonight, still got lots to prove for me.. i dont see townsend making it long term, Hudd still looked very rusty indeed, i think he is a very good player but shows he is still not match sharp and Pav enough said about him the better, i dont get him sometimes he is lethal and the nights like toninght he looks like he would struggle in the chamonship!!
 

Courtneyjd

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I thought Tom Carroll looked very impressive in the first half, similar type player to Chelsea's McEachran, promising future hopefully.

Harry Kane didn't impress me at all, I know it was only his first game, but he didn't show anything that makes me think he could be the future, hopefully he will learn from the experience and improve as a player.

Livermore was neat and tidy again.

Townsend had a good first half, faded in the second.

Fredericks looked quick and lively if lacking ideas.

Was surprised not to see Parrett or Bostock in and around the squad, maybe they aren't developing as well as some of the other youngsters?!
 

haslemereyid

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Carroll i thought was our best player - he really reminds me of Ramires at chelski - similar size shape and running style - also looks to have plenty of pace and stamina which could help him to develop into a great box to box midfielder

Kane suffered what all the Spurs forwards suffer from - isolation and lack of supply - we simply do not get enough support players close enough to our forward/s

Townsend was ok but clearly would be better further up the pitch and Fredericks seemed not surprisingly to lack a bit of confidence

Livermore needs to develop a reason for being - neat and tidy isnt enough
 

mattdefoe

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people keep going on and on about carroll being young, size wise and look wise etc, but allefay from barcelona is the exact same, as is ramires and there playing weekly.
 

SpurSince57

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people keep going on and on about carroll being young, size wise and look wise etc, but allefay from barcelona is the exact same, as is ramires and there playing weekly.

Just as a point of information, Carroll was born in 1992 and Afellay in 1986. Hardly the 'exact same'!
 

talkshowhost86

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I think there are some very high ratings in here for what was a pretty average performance. Having said that, with a mixture of young players and a couple of people in unfamiliar positions it is understandable, particularly when you consider that there wasn't a huge amount to play for.

Cuddles - 7 - Dealt with everything calmly. Surely the best 3rd keeper in the world
Corluka - 6 - Pretty calm and oddly started to look much more dangerous as an attacking force towards the end.
Dawson - 5 - Looked really rattled for some reason and didn't win his usual share of headers. Completely done for their shot off of the bar.
Bassong - 5 - A shadow of the player who scored against Liverpool 2 years ago.
Townsend - 7 - Great first 20 minutes or so and dangerous towards the end. Not a defender yet though...hopefully that will come.
Fredericks - 5 - Looked terrified and didn't really show what he can do.
Hudd - 4 - Really poor. Probably a lower score than justified but these are the games he should really be dominating and he didn't at all. Hopefully just unfit.
Carroll - 7 - Looked for the ball, seemed eager and clearly has an eye for a pass. Probably the stand out performer.
Kane - 5 - Started well but the penalty knocked his confidence and he barely touched it after that.
Pav - 1 - Potentially hyperbolic score but I'm fed up of Pav. He looked disinterested and his shooting was laughable. He is an active detriment to our team when he plays like that.

I should point out that I'm not writing off any of the kids at all and you simply can't judge them based on a game like that. But I think those scores better reflect the actual quality on show.
 

dav3j

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Only saw the last half an hour so can't make any fully educated assessments. From what I did see though, Townsend was the real standout player, gave the Hearts defence a really tough time right till the final whistle, some nice skills and good ball control.
 

Spurs_Bear

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The first half started very brightly with the kids all bushy tailed. Carroll particularly impressed, looking neat and tidy, with good movement, continually wanting the ball. I believe it was his superb through ball that Kane won the penalty from.

Fredericks looked nippy, and got to the by line a couple of times. Townsend looked like he usually does, mixed bag of promise, bustle but lacking just a smidgen of composure. Livermore was competent if unspectacular. Kane was possibly the least impressive, perhaps after being much hyped on here, I was expecting a little more. He wasn't bad, just to use a BC cliche, a bit ho hum.

Completely agree re Carroll, he reminded me a bit of Wilshere in that he is very tidy, moves things about, looks like he is capable of maintaining possession well. Liked it.

Don't agree re Fredericks, but he is very young, he has plenty of time.

Kane was ok, but I think he was hampered by playing with the useless **** up front, I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

Andros won't make it at Spurs IMO. I watched him last year for Millwall against the Swans and he lacks intelligence, doesn't like doing the dirty stuff (i.e. tracking back) and runs down blind alleys too often with no end result. He'll play at a decent level, maybe even the Prem but not for us I think. He promises a lot but delivers not enough - the fans will like him as he's a tricky winger who can be exciting but I don't think there's enough substance there.

The other 2 I wouldn't pass judgement on just yet but the odds are against them.

Pav woeful mostly. Too inconsistent and if we can add to Ade (see what I did there?) then he be the one I'd shove out the door if it were possible.

Huddlestone also poor, if I was mitigating him he looks lacking in fitness even more than normal but I'd also flog him and keep the dynamo that is Palacios. Won't happen though.

The rest just a bit whatever - not a game that will live long in the memory...

Agree with your Carroll assessment too Steve, but also with your Townsend one. I was saying to the guy next to me that tricky winger sums him up pretty well, the next couple of years will be massive for him, he's the kind of lad that loaning out really suits as he needs games, and if he cant get that with us, get him out like Caulker. Ideally he would go to a Championship club this year and then prem next year, just in my opinion of course.

Huddlestone looks unfit to me, and not overweight unfit, not match fit, which is probably to be expected because of his injury.
 
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