Ratings vs Chelsea in Capital Cup final

[Spursidol]

Sorry but how was Lamela poor? Townsend was far worse.

Well even the Chelsea fans were happy to see him on. Simply not effective.

Not Townsend's best game either, but worried Chelsea a few times.

 

[PLTuck]

Just back from Wembley. Hard to be analytical without seeing the match on TV, but I thought Rose was fantastic first half. Bentaleb was excellent. Eriksen and Kane both worked their nuts off.
Also when Lamela came on, he was closing the ball down like a man possessed.
We played to the very end, with Kane trying to gee up the fans in about the 92nd minute.

Costa is a ****, constantly trying to wind fans up. It also looked to me like the free kick for their first goal wasn't a free kick. Looked like Ivanovic tried to cut back onto his left foot and slipped, so need to see a replay of that.

Glenn Hoddle waved at me. It was definitely me, not the hundreds sitting around me. No, definitely me. Definitely.

Fans were magnificent. Apart from the bloke the row in front of us who kept turning round shouting "sing up you fucking ****s!" (when much of the block were pretty much singing for 80% of the game), and then promptly left on 70 mins.

At the end, Kane was the first to suck up his disappointment and walked round slowly acknowledging all the spurs fans. Verts and Lloris walked around, but were deep in chat and didnt really applaud the fans much.EDIT: I should add that all the players walked round, with Mason and Eriksen in particular doing lots of fan applauding.

I also want to say a massive THANK YOU to @mightyspur, who helped to make it a fantastic day for for me and my youngling.

 

[StartingPrice]

Why are people so upset, like this result wasn't obvious from the moment the teams were announced?

Mourinho sat Zouma on Eriksen and isolated Kane... Nullify those two and you beat us nine times out of ten.

We just don't have the quality throughout the team like Chelsea do.

Nothing to be ashamed of, just a reminder of where we are at once again.

Everything seemed to fall just right when we beat them at ours.

LoL - always makes me laugh when I see claims like this: like, you knew by the team sheets that there would be a slight variation on Eriksen's free-kick causing it to hit the bar rather than go just under it? Or the inclusion/exclsuion of certain players gave you pre-cognition that the Chavs would get two deflected goals?

Look, I know what you are saying. They were the favourites. They have a manager who knows how to win and an expensively assembled squad with the nous to play the tactics they set out to play, and both teams selections may have given a presentiment that there was a stronger chance of those tactics being successfully deployed. But, c'mon, you didn't look at the team-sheets and think any free-kicks we get today will now miss by a millimeter

 

[eddiebailey]

His dad died recently. That could knock the best player off form.

I doubt we will see the best of him again before next season.

 

[Nocando]

My ratings

Tottenham 10
Chelsea 0

Fuck their quiet plastic fans with their classless, negative team built on dodgy Russian money, along with their classless prick of a manager, who can only win games by crafty game management and getting refs on his side. I'd much rather support a team that does things right, with fans that make me proud to be associated with the club. So in that respect we dicked all over them.

 

[yojambo]

Not sure i agree that Jose's tactics won them the match. In fact i thought they looked so bad in that first half we just didnt punish them. They had the luck with the two deflected goals and defended well.

 

[RamonVega'sShinners]

Bentaleb played well. Rose did alright too. Hugo can't really be faulted.

I think Dembele should have started over Mason, who seems more suited towards clashes with teams in the bottom half of the league.

Ultimately the cracks were exposed yet again. Mark Kane with 2 CBs and put someone physical on Eriksen and Spurs have no hope of scoring a goal. The other attacking players are just not nearly good enough. Townsend, Lamela, and even now Chadli who has lost all form are just never going to threaten a defense. Mourinho probably pissed himself laughing when we subbed on Soldado and Lamela trying to change the game.

Don't blame anyone. They were just better overall. We have had two players who carried us through this season, Mourinho marked them out of the game, and the deficiencies were exposed. Bit inexperienced in defense, not nearly good enough in attack. Very similar to how we played under AVB, to be perfectly honest.

And don't tell me this is kneejerk because I've been posting the same thing for the past month. We need to improve. Clear out deadwood in summer and hopefully buy some decent players with Mitchell and our new scouting system. Season is done as I'd say we have a less than 10% chance of bettering Arsenal/Lpool over the rest of the season, the team is just not good enough. How we were playing prior to Kane and now again in the last two weeks is much more representative of where we are under Poch than our great month of January.

Nail.on.head

 

[iluvsteffenfreund]

So since we were fantastic against arsenal we have lost in the league and drawn one. Gone out of the europa and lost a cup final. Wow. Spurs all over. What a month

 

[StartingPrice]

Some common sense at last your right we were never going to beat this mob, what happened in january was a one off that happens once every five years or so.
We were never going to win today nothing strange about that.

Not even if Eriksen had scored instead of hitting the bar?
What about if none of their shots, in including their off-target shots (that is, nearly all their shots) hadn't got lucky deflections?
Or, what if the ref and his officials hadn't so clearly and uncritically bought into the Mourinho narrative by giving them as much as they could and letting them off with as much as they could?

They were favourites to win, and they did win...but they were hardly the better team, and they were a few small deviations (mostly through luck) that gave them the result - nothing to do with it being predetermined.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not even if Eriksen had scored instead of hitting the bar?
What about if none of their shots, in including their off-target shots (that is, nearly all their shots) hadn't got lucky deflections?
Or, what if the ref and his officials hadn't so clearly and uncritically bought into the Mourinho narrative by giving them as much as they could and letting them off with as much as they could?

They were favourites to win, and they did win...but they were hardly the better team, and they were a few small deviations (mostly through luck) that gave them the result - nothing to do with it being predetermined.

Come on SP the ref thing is a cheap shot he was fine, the problem lay with our shitty defence and poor decisions like chadlis foul for the first goal.
We are as always victims of our own undoing and as for erikson his shot hit the bar which means it doesnt go in, stat wise not on target.
And yes we was always going to lose in the first two pages of the thread i said we would lose two or three nil it was an easy prediction.

 

[ravo]

We got beaten by a bunch of seasoned professionals coached to win a specific game..


there is no shame in a young team losing that way for the first time, next season we'll have em

This. Only negative is that I was surprised that Chadli started over Dembele. Would have preferred Mousa at CAM with Eriksen on the left.

 

[Capocrimini]

I'm suprised at some of the negative ratings, couldn't pick a fault with our players. We simply aren't at the level of Chelsea, no one's fault, Mourinhios negative tactics won out. Bentaleb was outstanding, he was a hybrid of Palacios and Modric on their best days today.

I hope the team and Poch keep their heads up, and use this as a learning experience at the very least. My one criticism is we were not cut throat in the final third, but the way the chavs were defending it was like trying to cut through stone.

 

[DCSPUR]

His dad died recently. That could knock the best player off form.

and the lack of understanding from some of our fans is shocking

 

[mckenz]

So since we were fantastic against arsenal we have lost in the league and drawn one. Gone out of the europa and lost a cup final. Wow. Spurs all over. What a month

Wow. Fickle fan all over. What a c...........

 

[StartingPrice]

Come on SP the ref thing is a cheap shot he was fine,

It's not a cheap shot at all. I noted down what the ref was and wasn't giving as it happened. I included it in my ratings. The officials were absolute toss-pots. Here it is again, watch the match again and you will absolutely see all of these things (unless you have SelectiveSightitis:
Referee and assistants (particularly that baldy **** on our right) - oh, f'off, Mourinho's antics clearly got to them. Costa started on three players in quick succession, Rose was fouled by Ramirez and Cahill in quick succession, they were constantly niggling, pushing, pulling, Terry (the ****) walked behind Rose and stuck his elbow in his back in the build-up to a dead ball, Willian did a sneaky little pull-back (that I have seen players, particularly Eriksen, booked for) and we had a penalty appeal completely ignored for a handball where their player had 1 billion times more chance of getting his arm outta the way than the Vertonghen one Mourinho went on and on about at the Lane. And who got the first yellow - yeah, you guessed it, Dier (looked to me like Costa bought it a bit). And every time I see Ramirez, especially against us, I am left wandering how the hell he doesn't get about 7 yellow cards per game (obviously, would be sent off after 2, but y'know what I mean) = 4

the problem lay with our shitty defence

And in not scoring. The defence wasn't shitty, they could have dealt with the situations better that led to the two goals, but that doesn't alter the fact that Chelsea scored from two scruffy deflections (I'm not that sure the second was even intended as a shot, TBH). But this kinda misses the point, anyway.

and poor decisions like chadlis foul for the first goal.

It was a poor decision, I said it was a poor decision in my ratings in this very thread. Questions have been raised, incidentally, as to whether it was actually a foul. But, again, it's kinda missing the point.

We are as always victims of our own undoing

That's the narrative you want to see...so that is what you see! If we came desperately close to scoring and they only scored due to deflections on scuffed shots, then, surely, it is not so clear cut as saying they were always going to score and we were always going to not score - not unless you believe in some cosmic fate-pipe that gets turned on, for games like this, so a quota of fate pours out.

and as for erikson his shot hit the bar which means it doesnt go in, stat wise not on target.

Again, you miss the point. I didn't ask it if hit the bar, I stated that it did. I didn't ask if stats wise it counted as on target. I asked you if you knew before hand that the ball from any Erisken free-kick would hit the bar today rather than go in, because that is the only way you can say you knew we wouldn't score. It missed by a fraction = therefore it was fahooking close = therefore no-one could have predicted that Erisen would not score with any free-kick today unless they have the sight.

And yes we was always going to lose in the first two pages of the thread i said we would lose two or three nil it was an easy prediction.

And, as I explained to Enfield, taking a before hand understanding that Chelsea were the favourites, with a manager who knows how to grind out results in this type of game and experience of winning several trophies, and a team with the quality and nous to implement his tactics, and pairing that with knowledge of the final result doesn't mean you knew what the result would be. It means they were favourites...and we all knew that. It means a victory for Chelsea was the more likely outcome...and we all knew that. But it doesn't mean they were predestined to win and any such prediction would have been infallible! And it misses the point: if Eriksen's free-kick had hit the bar, would you absolutely certainty (or anyone else's, based on looking at the team-sheet, for instance) have still been correct?

Come-on, Shelfy, it's what is known in the legal profession as a leading question

 

[jezz]

Well even the Chelsea fans were happy to see him on. Simply not effective.

Not Townsend's best game either, but worried Chelsea a few times.

Ok mate.

 

[PLTuck]

It's not a cheap shot at all. I noted down what the ref was and wasn't giving as it happened. I included it in my ratings. The officials were absolute toss-pots. Here it is again, watch the match again and you will absolutely see all of these things (unless you have SelectiveSightitis:
Referee and assistants (particularly that baldy **** on our right) - oh, f'off, Mourinho's antics clearly got to them. Costa started on three players in quick succession, Rose was fouled by Ramirez and Cahill in quick succession, they were constantly niggling, pushing, pulling, Terry (the ****) walked behind Rose and stuck his elbow in his back in the build-up to a dead ball, Willian did a sneaky little pull-back (that I have seen players, particularly Eriksen, booked for) and we had a penalty appeal completely ignored for a handball where their player had 1 billion times more chance of getting his arm outta the way than the Vertonghen one Mourinho went on and on about at the Lane. And who got the first yellow - yeah, you guessed it, Dier (looked to me like Costa bought it a bit). And every time I see Ramirez, especially against us, I am left wandering how the hell he doesn't get about 7 yellow cards per game (obviously, would be sent off after 2, but y'know what I mean) = 4

Truncated your post so as not to fill the page. I love your posts and your positive nature, and have enjoyed reading them for years now. I very, very rarely disagree with you.

We saw it the same way. Ramires got away with so much today. Ref seemed to blow their way far easier than in our favour. Rose was getting lumps kicked out of him, and there was a ton of shirt tugging on their part. They rolled around like they'd been shot every time we got near them. Terry was also giving Kane plenty of verbal, and shouldering into him as he walked past, and other such Terry antics, but was great to see Kane giving it back.

Vertonghen and Dier seemed a good partnership to me. I noticed that Verts spent alot of time directing Dier and Bentaleb when the ball was out of play or when the play wasn't around them. That surprised me as you don't really see that side of him when you watch us on TV, which I have to most of the time purely due to finances.

 

[fuzzylogic]

It was great to get to the final, it's brilliant that we started with so many young players that have came through the ranks. And by the sounds of it there is more to come. We have a manager who I like, and who will get better. We haven't spent the millions and millions that they have over the years. Proud of the club, proud of our players. The future is very bright if the manager can overhaul the squad and gets the players that he wants in. While also having the guts to play youth players. COYS

 

[THX2208]

Lloris 7; Walker 6, Dier 6, Vertonghen 6, Rose 6; Mason 6, Bentaleb 6; Townsend 5, Eriksen 6, Chadli 5; Kane 6

 

[JimmyG2]

Lloris.........7.........French but not responsible for the goals. We gave you Wembley you owe us another season.
Walker.......6+......Good until injured. Scored, what more can you ask.
Dier...........7+.......Impressed by the youngster under provocation from nasty trousers Costa.
Verts.........7.........OK. Nearly broke sweat at one point. None of his faults exposed today.
Rose.........7+...... Another good performance from Danny. I'm getting to like him more and more.
Eriksen......7+ ..... Well marked but still played well. Doesn't need a lot of space.
Bentaleb....8........My MOM. Effort and drive to good effect. Not afraid to try.
Mason.......6+......A bit below par lately. Been taking shooting lessons from Andros
Chadli........6..... ..Struggling for form. Handsome devil but it's not enough.
Kane..........7-......Always gives everything but made little headway today.
Townsend..5........Surprised he started ahead of Lamela. Didn't justify it.
I thought we played well against a much more experienced side. and were a bit unlucky.
But on this showing by this young side the future is bright.........