Ratings vs Crystal Palace

[danielneeds]

On the subject of Kane's selfishness - yes it is infuriating - but people have to realise that it would be exactly the same if we were watching Shearer, Wright, Fowler or any of the other great PL goalscorers. All were selfish, all shot on sight, all scored regularly.

Maybe the likes of Henry and Suarez had that vision and decision making to pass instead of shoot, but that's why they went off to play for Barca - you're taking about the best of the very best there.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

On the subject of Kane's selfishness - yes it is infuriating - but people have to realise that it would be exactly the same if we were watching Shearer, Wright, Fowler or any of the other great PL goalscorers. All were selfish, all shot on sight, all scored regularly.

Maybe the likes of Henry and Suarez had that vision and decision making to pass instead of shoot, but that's why they went off to play for Barca - you're taking about the best of the very best there.

It's also too easy to forget that he's still only 22 years old, and is still only in his 2nd full season of being a PL Player.

There's absolutely no reason to believe he won't mature into the Henry/Suarez type player that you mention.

Wow, 22 years old. What a talent!!

 

[ultimateloner]

The win reflects our strength in depth; we now have game changers on our bench.

 

[vigospur]

I'm astounded reading this thread. Yes, we weren't perfect and there is room for improvement, but we won away to a good side in a local derby. We had most of the possession, most of the chances, and we actually created quite a few clear chances too.

Yes, Alli made mistakes (as you'd expect of a 19 year old), but he had the presence of mind and composure to score a sensational winner when the game did not look like it would go that way. Yes, Chadli didn't get involved as much as we wish he should but he was key to two of our three goals. Yes, Kane is selfish, but he scored a good goal and tested their keeper and defence several times, making a total nuisance of himself. Eriksen off the ball is often weak, but on the ball today he was constantly involved, linked up play and was extremely creative.

We have a very young side who are still developing. That at this point in their evolution they are determined enough to come from behind in a difficult away game and win on a frustrating afternoon is is amazing to see.

I personally am delighted. We have an ideal blend of youth and experience, with the oldest players still with several seasons left playing in their prime, and we are finding different ways to beat different opposition. In yesterday's starting front 6 only Dembele was older than 23. We are witnessing the beginning of a wonderful journey.

Identifying the positives. You are in the wrong place!

 

[Mr Pink]

On the subject of Kane's selfishness - yes it is infuriating - but people have to realise that it would be exactly the same if we were watching Shearer, Wright, Fowler or any of the other great PL goalscorers. All were selfish, all shot on sight, all scored regularly.

Maybe the likes of Henry and Suarez had that vision and decision making to pass instead of shoot, but that's why they went off to play for Barca - you're taking about the best of the very best there.

Kane is still young and learning. Rooney, at his best for example, knew when to pass or smash one at goal.

The best players just know when to make that decision invariably. You look at Aguero setting up Silva for the fourth goal against Palace last week - classic example. He's a goal scorer and bearing down on goal but he slips it to Silva who walks it in - Kane shoots every single time in that situation at the moment. But Aguero chose the higher percentage choice - the correct choice and best one for the team in that moment - even though the game was already won.

Kane will learn this in time with more experience I think. He's doing fantastically well but showing a little more appreciation for others better placed/positioned will round off his game immensely.

If he wants to go to the very top its necessary IMO and he has the awareness, no doubt about that.

 

[danielneeds]

Kane is still young and learning. Rooney, at his best for example, knew when to pass or smash one at goal.

The best players just know when to make that decision invariably. You look at Aguero setting up Silva for the fourth goal against Palace last week - classic example. He's a goal scorer and bearing down on goal but he slips it to Silva who walks it in - Kane shoots every single time in that situation at the moment. But Aguero chose the higher percentage choice - the correct choice and best one for the team in that moment - even though the game was already won.

Kane will learn this in time with more experience I think. He's doing fantastically well but showing a little more appreciation for others better placed/positioned will round off his game immensely.

If he wants to go to the very top its necessary IMO and he has the awareness, no doubt about that.

Augero is a different type of player to Kane though - more like Messi and Suarez, just exceptional footballers who happen to also be good at scoring.

Kane is more like Shearer, who would shoot from anywhere. I remember seeing plenty of rueful glances from team-mates when he ignored them to shoot, only for the next time he would do it, he'd just smash it into the net.

 

[Mr Pink]

Augero is a different type of player to Kane though - more like Messi and Suarez, just exceptional footballers who happen to also be good at scoring.

Kane is more like Shearer, who would shoot from anywhere. I remember seeing plenty of rueful glances f
from team-mates when he ignored them to shoot, only for the next time he would do it, he'd just smash it into the net.

Yeah I agree, totally different but I still think Kane has more awareness in his game than the likes of Shearer. Not quite Teddy levels of awareness, but more all round intelligence/awareness than Shearer.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

He's is still performing well bellow the standards he is capable of.

But he's also making far more of a positive contribution to the team than most people are giving him credit for. Yet another assist yesterday and, goal aside, he was better than Alli. Why is one being heaped with praise while the other is heavily criticised?

3 goals and 1 assist in his last 5 games. Not bad for an under-performing no.10 who is arguably being played out of position. For the record, Alli has 1 goal and 1 assist in this period.

I agree that Eriksen isn't at his very best right now, but fans have been criticising him for not doing enough ever since he arrived, despite him being only 23 and costing less than half that of Son or Lamela. Can you blame me for getting bored of this? Perhaps we could offer him the same support that was shown to Kane at the start of the season.

 

[danielneeds]

Yeah I agree, totally different but I still think Kane has more awareness in his game than the likes of Shearer. Not quite Teddy levels of awareness, but more all round intelligence/awareness than Shearer.

Of course Kane can improve all facets of his game. I'm sure Poch and the coaching team are well aware of his poor decision making at times, but they'll be loath to try and change too much at this time. The last thing you want to do with a young striker is introduce too much doubt and confusion to his mind. Let him play on instinct while you play the long game coaching him.

 

[thinktank]

Kane is still young and learning. Rooney, at his best for example, knew when to pass or smash one at goal.

The best players just know when to make that decision invariably. You look at Aguero setting up Silva for the fourth goal against Palace last week - classic example. He's a goal scorer and bearing down on goal but he slips it to Silva who walks it in - Kane shoots every single time in that situation at the moment. But Aguero chose the higher percentage choice - the correct choice and best one for the team in that moment - even though the game was already won.

Kane will learn this in time with more experience I think. He's doing fantastically well but showing a little more appreciation for others better placed/positioned will round off his game immensely.

If he wants to go to the very top its necessary IMO and he has the awareness, no doubt about that.

I think he's well aware of what he's doing though, mate. It's a habit.

He's come in and scored a hat-full of goals and made our season - last season - and that was by grabbing games by the scruff of the neck and almost forcing goals through sheer will and determination. Exactly what we needed at the time and I'm very grateful for it.

Where we are now, though, requires the team's ambition to supercede anyone's personal ambition.

He wants to replicate his score tally etc. but he must not be blinkered in his pursuit of that personal aim at the expense of the team, where he could make dirt simple lay-offs for near certain goals that helps the team/club progress, rather than taking near impossible pot shots.

It's a minor mental tweaking that has to be made; not saying he stops shooting in low percentage situations as he has scored in some. He just needs to pick that very high level option whenever it presents itself. We have missed out on 3/4 goals because of it imo.

We all love him, and he is still learning. But I think with this issue he is doing what he wants to do. He is well aware there have been better options but he wants the goal. And he has appeared completely unapologetic about it.

Poch is likely baring with it because kane has done so much for us in such a short period of time and you have to be careful not to disrupt his rhythm, or neuter his instincts; but I'd be stunned if poch hasn't been concerned about it when watching some games back where we have had nailed on options in the box, unmarked, and harry takes a punt on a bonkers option.

 

[Mr Pink]

Of course Kane can improve all facets of his game. I'm sure Poch and the coaching team are well aware of his poor decision making at times, but they'll be loath to try and change too much at this time. The last thing you want to do with a young striker is introduce too much doubt and confusion to his mind. Let him play on instinct while you play the long game coaching him.

Yeah agree - I think it will be a gradual thing, his game will evolve over time I'm sure.

 

[double0]

Kane is nothing like Shearer watch Kane properly he drops off gets involved in team play ie Alli's wonder goal. He's more Sheringham speeded up than Shearer imo.

Can Kane get to Augero Saurez Rooney at he's peak levels? Yes he can we have a diamond.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

We could have lost but, fuck me, it would have been an utter travesty.

 

[Shea]

Yeah I agree, totally different but I still think Kane has more awareness in his game than the likes of Shearer. Not quite Teddy levels of awareness, but more all round intelligence/awareness than Shearer.

his cross field pass to erkisen who then set up alli for the go ahead goal supports your claim nicely

 

[Neon_Knight_]

I think he's well aware of what he's doing though, mate. It's a habit.

He's come in and scored a hat-full of goals and made our season - last season - and that was by grabbing games by the scruff of the neck and almost forcing goals through sheer will and determination. Exactly what we needed at the time and I'm very grateful for it.

Where we are now, though, requires the team's ambition to supercede anyone's personal ambition.

He wants to replicate his score tally etc. but he must not be blinkered in his pursuit of that personal aim at the expense of the team, where he could make dirt simple lay-offs for near certain goals that helps the team/club progress, rather than taking near impossible pot shots.

It's a minor mental tweaking that has to be made; not saying he stops shooting in low percentage situations as he has scored in some. He just needs to pick that very high level option whenever it presents itself. We have missed out on 3/4 goals because of it imo.

We all love him, and he is still learning. But I think with this issue he is doing what he wants to do. He is well aware there have been better options but he wants the goal. And he has appeared completely unapologetic about it.

Poch is likely baring with it because kane has done so much for us in such a short period of time and you have to be careful not to disrupt his rhythm, or neuter his instincts; but I'd be stunned if poch hasn't been concerned about it when watching some games back where we have had nailed on options in the box, unmarked, and harry takes a punt on a bonkers option.

Most successful goalscorers are incredibly selfish. For me, this is one of the key factors that separates a prolific goalscorer from a top-class forward. There's a reason that players like Defoe, Andy Cole and Ian Wright never quite made it for England, despite scoring loads for their clubs. In my lifetime, Sheringham and Keane are possibly the only unselfish forwards that we've had at Spurs, who also scored enough.

If Kane can improve on this aspect of his game, whilst still scoring 1 in 2 or better, he will be genuinely world class. Then we might have Real Madrid on our doorstep with another record transfer fee.

 

[SpursSince1980]

Most successful goalscorers are incredibly selfish. For me, this is one of the key factors that separates a prolific goalscorer from a top-class forward. There's a reason that players like Defoe, Andy Cole and Ian Wright never quite made it for England, despite scoring loads for their clubs. In my lifetime, Sheringham and Keane are possibly the only unselfish forwards that we've had at Spurs, who also scored enough.

If Kane can improve on this aspect of his game, whilst still scoring 1 in 2 or better, he will be genuinely world class. Then we might have Real Madrid on our doorstep with another record transfer fee.

I would add Berba to that list.

 

[spurs9]

Yeah I agree, totally different but I still think Kane has more awareness in his game than the likes of Shearer. Not quite Teddy levels of awareness, but more all round intelligence/awareness than Shearer.

My memory might be letting me down here, but I don't remember Sheringham showing that kind or intelligence/awareness until we signed Klinsmann and that was when he was 28.

 

[spurs9]

But he's also making far more of a positive contribution to the team than most people are giving him credit for. Yet another assist yesterday and, goal aside, he was better than Alli. Why is one being heaped with praise while the other is heavily criticised?

3 goals and 1 assist in his last 5 games. Not bad for an under-performing no.10 who is arguably being played out of position. For the record, Alli has 1 goal and 1 assist in this period.

I agree that Eriksen isn't at his very best right now, but fans have been criticising him for not doing enough ever since he arrived, despite him being only 23 and costing less than half that of Son or Lamela. Can you blame me for getting bored of this? Perhaps we could offer him the same support that was shown to Kane at the start of the season.

Alli actually has 2 goals and 1 assist in his last 5 games (unless you are including Alli's cup cameos). In Alli's last 9 starts, he has 4 goals and 3 assists. In the same number of starts Erisken has 3 goals and 1 assist.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think Eriksen's contribution does go a little under the radar of many. From almost identical minutes on the pitch this season he's got a combined goal/assist tally of 11, Alli has 10. Eriksen averages 3.3 key passes a game, Alli 1.3. But he's far more involved in game/approach play than Alli, averaging 48 passes a game (@81%), whereas Alli averages 35 (@78%). And this is despite the fact that Eriksen has spent far more time left or right whilst Alli's been used mostly centrally.

I think what Eriksen brings is absolutely vital in this team of very young, quite erratic and often careless group. Alli, Lamela, Son, NjIe etc none of these have Eriksen's composure, none of them apply the constant intelligence he does in positioning to receive the ball from team mates that need an out ball, sometimes it's just simple recycling, but without it we'd be a different animal and be very samey, lots of spunky energy but little poise or wit. I think he was probably MOTM yesterday but I doubt many would agree.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Alli actually has 2 goals and 1 assist in his last 5 games (unless you are including Alli's cup cameos). In Alli's last 9 starts, he has 4 goals and 3 assists. In the same number of starts Erisken has 3 goals and 1 assist.

I was including last 5 games played, regardless of competition or minutes played. If you want to stretch that to more games, I'll go even further:

Alli: 30 games, 6 goals, 5 assists (11 combined)
Eriksen: 27 games, 6 goals, 8 assists (14 combined)

If we only count league games, Eriksen still wins.

All of this is rather missing my point though. My point is that both players have made good contributions, but one is getting a lot of credit while the other is getting none. Eriksen even had to justify his supposedly poor form to the media recently, when only Kane has contributed more goals/assists than him this season.