Ratings vs Everton

[Lufti]

Lloris - The only player who can come off that pitch having had a good game.

Walker - Good spot for the free kick but wasted every single (several) chance to just put a decent ball into the box. Defensively less than great for the most part too.

Dawson - See every game ever.

Rose - Very much like Walker. Lots of chutzpah, not a lot of quality.

Bentaleb - It really isn't clever when people like Barry and McCarthy are seeing double the ball you are. Was pretty inconsequential today.

Paulinho - See the above and minus any good stuff.

Dembele - I like him being given the more forward role, but after a couple of fleeting moments aside his possession was uninventive, laborious and fruitless. He got caught dwelling a couple of times and was largely disappointing.

Lennon - Same old shit. One good game, shit loads of shit ones. 8 Fucking passes from 11. Shockingly abysmal.
Canada beckons.

Eriksen - Not great, but at least saw more of the football than Bentaleb and Paulinho. Didn't do much with it mind you, and isn't the bravest in the tackle either. How the fuck he gets subbed not Lennon is mind boggling.

Adebayor - Patches of effort but woefully short on quality - the goal aside, which he sill had plenty of work to do and did it well.

Defoe - How fitting that his final action was to greedily shoot from an acute angle when he had two guys who he could have squared to unmarked which might have sealed the game.

Just to clarify, I put agree as I agree with the individual ratings (bar Vertonghen)

 

[alfie103]

Turgid R Us

If there are any posters in here excusing that pile of wank as "great result" you might as well just admit you don't give a shit about (or understand) football.

Please can we stop pretending that we are making more chances since we sacked AVB as well. It's bollocks and it's getting tedious. We don't even shoot as much from distance. 2 Fucking shots on target. That follows 3 shots on target against Hull. 2 shots on target against City. O chances created in each game (unless you include set pieces).

This follows West Ham, West Brom, Arsenal, where we also created fuck all. Southampton, Swansea and ManU where we ceded buckets of the ball got ahead against the run of play and then hit them on the break a couple of times. This is not "creating more chances". It's just playing the lottery.

And what we have is Sherwood coming out with all this bollocks he's got from Les Ferdinand about "it's not about formations it's about what players do", pressing high up, locking them in, controlling the ball, etc but seemingly having no clue how you coach this, possibly because he isn't a coach and never has been, others did the coaching, he did the technical directing, whatever the fuck that was.

The fucking crazy thing is that everything that is missing was already in place. We were as disciplined and well organised as we have been for a few decades, we pressed teams higher up and were pretty cohesive and co-ordinated about how we did it, we "locked teams in", we knew most weeks how to look after the ball. All we lacked was a little attacking verve, a little fucking wit. Now we still lack attacking verve, but the other facets have now diminished too. How long before the SC fraud squad investigate ?

There is no evidence of any ethos, or even organisation. The pitch is now stretched, and because we don't press, we rarely win the ball until it's very deep in our half.

It's no good saying what you want your team to do, it has to be drilled day after day after day until it becomes second nature.

The pressing - please advise if you don't understand this new fangled terminology - was embarrassing. We just stood off them all over the pitch and watched as they passed the ball around. And when we had the ball our movement was lethargic and unimaginative. When Martinez can get a team working harder than you off the ball you might as well go back to technical directoring. This really wasn't a case of Everton playing well, it was very much a case of us playing fucking lazy, naive and very fucking turgid football.

If you thought some of the 1-0's were dull under AVB, what the fuck do you call this ? Or the 1-1 away to Hull ? Or the first half against Palace and City (the second half was no better but at least we could pretend it was the ref what robbed us).

There wasn't a single positive to take out of this game, even the win could be deemed counter productive, because it will possibly - if there's anyone stupid enough out there, and lets be honest, several thousand sung Defoe's name today, so there fucking well is - create a false sense of achievement in the coaching (don't laugh it's a technical term) staff.

The team put out wasn't the worst (except for Dawson and Lennon obviously) but the tactics are non existent, it's almost pre Redknapp even, pre Jol even maybe. And the substitutions were just plain mental. You take Eriksen off and leave Lennon on the pitch ? You then go 442 and put the left footed rookey CM to RM ? Seriously…Seriously ? Fuck off.

Apart from that it was a great game.

Individual shit:

Lloris - The only player who can come off that pitch having had a good game.

Walker - Good spot for the free kick but wasted every single (several) chance to just put a decent ball into the box. Defensively less than great for the most part too.

Dawson - See every game ever.

Vertonghen - OK ish.

Rose - Very much like Walker. Lots of chutzpah, not a lot of quality.

Bentaleb - It really isn't clever when people like Barry and McCarthy are seeing double the ball you are. Was pretty inconsequential today.

Paulinho - See the above and minus any good stuff.

Dembele - I like him being given the more forward role, but after a couple of fleeting moments aside his possession was uninventive, laborious and fruitless. He got caught dwelling a couple of times and was largely disappointing.

Lennon - Same old shit. One good game, shit loads of shit ones. 8 Fucking passes from 11. Shockingly abysmal.
Canada beckons.

Eriksen - Not great, but at least saw more of the football than Bentaleb and Paulinho. Didn't do much with it mind you, and isn't the bravest in the tackle either. How the fuck he gets subbed not Lennon is mind boggling.

Adebayor - Patches of effort but woefully short on quality - the goal aside, which he sill had plenty of work to do and did it well.

Defoe - How fitting that his final action was to greedily shoot from an acute angle when he had two guys who he could have squared to unmarked which might have sealed the game.

We were really poor, I don't think anyone could disagree but we looked like we have regressed to where we was under AVB, which is most damning of all.

 

[mpickard2087]

Yeah as I said I think we were massively helped that Everton barely had a striker on the pitch and then tactically Martinez did some very silly things. Brought two wingers on and left no striker up top? Bizarre. I mean if we had looked like conceding after that then the Spurs players on the pitch at that point should have just retired, such would have been the incompetence...

I pretty much agree with BC (albeit not with that AVB eulogy, quelle surprise). No positives at all really. Individually a few performances that were pretty decent but as a collective it just isn't good enough. To point and say 'It's ok, we are 5th' only goes to show how epically bad most of the teams in this league are, not that we are achieving anything.

 

[dagraham]

Agree we were poor, as we have been all season against teams in the top eight. In fact, the sad thing is you can count on one hand the number of genuinely great team performances we have given in the last 2 years.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Having seen Sherwood's post match interview I am once again left wholly confused by what he says and what we do. I do think half of it is media bluster, playing to the crowd who are much more used to Redknapp style 'give it a right go' etc than AVBs 'immense dimensions', but his talk about us sitting too deep, not pressing high up once again got me scratching my head.

Playing a higher line and pressing the ball higher up were things we did as a matter of course before he took over, it wasn't always perfectly executed, but this is what we did nearly every week! If he wanted them to do it from the off, then that asks questions of his coaching and ability to get his methods across - because if he wants them to do things that previously they were doing, and they suddenly aren't, then that's him not them.

As I qualified earlier, I'm wiling to give him time and patience just like I afforded AVB time during his early tenure when what I was seeing saw little resemblance to the game preached, and every thing he says to the media I'm consuming with a truckload of salt, but that MOTD interview was more than a little concerning.

Equally concerning to me was his assessment that he tactically changed the game for the better second half.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Having seen Sherwood's post match interview I am once again left wholly confused by what he says and what we do. I do think half of it is media bluster, playing to the crowd who are much more used to Redknapp style 'give it a right go' etc than AVBs 'immense dimensions', but his talk about us sitting too deep, not pressing high up once again got me scratching my head.

Playing a higher line and pressing the ball higher up were things we did as a matter of course before he took over, it wasn't always perfectly executed, but this is what we did nearly every week! If he wanted them to do it from the off, then that asks questions of his coaching and ability to get his methods across - because if he wants them to do things that previously they were doing, and they suddenly aren't, then that's him not them.

As I qualified earlier, I'm wiling to give him time and patience just like I afforded AVB time during his early tenure when what I was seeing saw little resemblance to the game preached, and every thing he says to the media I'm consuming with a truckload of salt, but that MOTD interview was more than a little concerning.

This all day.

I don't think it is any coincidence that we have been consistent slow starters since Sherwood has been in charge. It indicates to me that there is no coherent game plan.

If every player knows exactly what they are doing before they step onto the pitch then it is much easier to start the game quickly.

If there is an incoherent game plan or simply just a lack of one we are more likely to see stuttering starts.

What Sherwood says in the press just appear like empty platitudes if they are never translated into the teams performance.

 

[dagraham]

Equally concerning to me was his assessment that he tactically changed the game for the better second half.

Whether it was tactical or not, we restricted them to very few clear cut chances in the second half.

 

[EastLondonYid]

Equally concerning to me was his assessment that he tactically changed the game for the better second half.

Equally concerning is how many here on SC actually don't get what a fucking shambles we are in tactically atm.we are another thrashing away again, from any decent side with a goalscorer.

We remind me of the Cowboy builders who fuck off after charging shitloads, the house seems great, like do our recent results, but if you actually look closely, this building will collapse any minute now.

Sherwood loves lapping up his so called 'changes' at Ht, how the fuck does he explain sending them out for the 1st half fucking clueless? nearly every week.

 

[Legend10]

This all day.

I don't think it is any coincidence that we have been consistent slow starters since Sherwood has been in charge. It indicates to me that there is no coherent game plan.

If every player knows exactly what they are doing before they step onto the pitch then it is much easier to start the game quickly.

If there is an incoherent game plan or simply just a lack of one we are more likely to see stuttering starts.

What Sherwood says in the press just appear like empty platitudes if they are never translated into the teams performance.

Slow starters since Sherwood has been in charge! Were you on the moon or something between August & December?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Slow starters since Sherwood has been in charge! Were you on the moon or something between August & December?

We were slow starters under AVB but that was mainly because we spent most of our time passing the ball between our centre backs and midfield.

Under Sherwood we don't even keep the ball anymore. We just give it to the opposition and let them play shooting practice on our goal.

 

[Legend10]

We were slow starters under AVB but that was mainly because we spent most of our time passing the ball between our centre backs and midfield.

Under Sherwood we don't even keep the ball anymore. We just give it to the opposition and let them play shooting practice on our goal.

Yeah of course, if you've got half hour go and watch the first 30 minutes of our home game against Newcastle where we could easily have been 4-0 down after half an hour!

Not even going to talk about Liverpool, away to City and plenty of other games as well, pointless as you are convinced our starting slowly is a Sherwood thing when the reality is it's been all season long!

 

[WhiteHart4Ever]

Having seen Sherwood's post match interview I am once again left wholly confused by what he says and what we do. I do think half of it is media bluster, playing to the crowd who are much more used to Redknapp style 'give it a right go' etc than AVBs 'immense dimensions', but his talk about us sitting too deep, not pressing high up once again got me scratching my head.

Playing a higher line and pressing the ball higher up were things we did as a matter of course before he took over, it wasn't always perfectly executed, but this is what we did nearly every week! If he wanted them to do it from the off, then that asks questions of his coaching and ability to get his methods across - because if he wants them to do things that previously they were doing, and they suddenly aren't, then that's him not them.

As I qualified earlier, I'm wiling to give him time and patience just like I afforded AVB time during his early tenure when what I was seeing saw little resemblance to the game preached, and every thing he says to the media I'm consuming with a truckload of salt, but that MOTD interview was more than a little concerning.

Well it's not like you learn much from a Mourinho or Wenger interview either, is it? Post-match interviews are media work and most of them time just a complete load of bs, not tactical autopsy for fickle fans.

As for the match itself Everton did look the better team, but I thought we did very well defensively after we scored - they never really looked like scoring IMO. But I have to agree that Tim doesn't appear to have suceeded with getting in place any sort of attacking patterns, perhaps apart from creating space for Walker by shifting the ball from left to right. Everton were in a different league than us in terms of movement and precise passing going forward and we did look fairly clueless in the final 3rd..

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Yeah of course, if you've got half hour go and watch the first 30 minutes of our home game against Newcastle where we could easily have been 4-0 down after half an hour!

Yeah, God only knows how we managed to conceded one of the lowest amount of shots on our goal, out of any team in Europe, during the first 10+ games of the season.

http://www.bsports.com/extratime/leaderboard-premier-league-defences

 

[Legend10]

Yeah, God only knows how we managed to conceded one of the lowest amount of shots on our goal, out of any team in Europe, during the first 10+ games of the season.

http://www.bsports.com/extratime/leaderboard-premier-league-defences

Football isn't measured in shots, if it was we were the best side in the world this season with our 30 x 30 yarders per game!

It's ultimately measured by goals and goals usually though not always come about by creating good situations, a good situation doesn't always result in a goal and neither does it always result in an effort on goal, in fact more often than not good situations don't end up with a effort. So i really couldn't give a shit how many shots we conceded, Newcastle only managed 8 attempts all game at WHL, does that relay the fact that they should have been out of sight after half an hour as they had so many good situations? No it doesn't, use your eyes instead and you would have seen 30 minutes where we were all over the place defensively, then the game changed as it so often does and in the end we were unlucky, but it doesn't take away that for the first 30 minutes we were all at sea, unless of course you just look at the stats.

We've been slow starters all season long, that is obvious to anybody who has watched us, under AVB or under Sherwood we've in the main started games slowly and poorly and it's an ongoing problem which isn't unique to recent games, unless of course you want it to be?

 

[Frozen_Waffles]

Why do people keep saying Adebayor played welll?

.... yes great for the goal but he lost the ball EVERY time he received it, it was embarrasing. I would have given it to Leon Osman but he was not on the list, so I guess Lloris. Bentelab, Rose and Walker (despite the fact he hit the first man every time with his crosses) were ok.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Why do people keep saying Adebayor played welll?

.... yes great for the goal but he lost the ball EVERY time he received it, it was embarrasing. I would have given it to Leon Osman but he was not on the list, so I guess Lloris. Bentelab, Rose and Walker (despite the fact he hit the first man every time with his crosses) were ok.

19/31 passes @ 66%

Hardly vintage, but not exactly every time was it?

 

[Francis Gibbs]

Why do people keep saying Adebayor played welll?

.... yes great for the goal but he lost the ball EVERY time he received it, it was embarrasing. I would have given it to Leon Osman but he was not on the list, so I guess Lloris. Bentelab, Rose and Walker (despite the fact he hit the first man every time with his crosses) were ok.

spot on - he really wasn't that great (nice take for the goal aside).
Running around like a headless chicken and picking the ball up from our fullbacks is not what/where I want our one striker to be. He needs to focus he attention on being a threat in the opposition box and to do that he needs to be actually in it more than he is currently when we break. Working hard and closing down the opposition defenders is a given for me.

 

[mpickard2087]

spot on - he really wasn't that great (nice take for the goal aside).
Running around like a headless chicken and picking the ball up from our fullbacks is not what/where I want our one striker to be. He needs to focus he attention on being a threat in the opposition box and to do that he needs to be actually in it more than he is currently when we break. Working hard and closing down the opposition defenders is a given for me.

Disagree, in one striker systems I think players who just stand around and play right up top is the easiest way for them to get isolated from the midfield. I think they need to move around and look to drop off, because I believe it asks more questions of the defence. The centre backs and midfielders don't know who is going to pick him up and if this drags a player out with him then it can open up the space for players to come from deep and take up the position he was originally in, which is where I think our problems lie. The movement, and linked movement between two or three players (so for example where Adebayor drops, another player then pushes into his original position and can be running onto a through ball hopefully) is mostly woeful and has been for 3-4 years, no matter who the manager is.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Yeah of course, if you've got half hour go and watch the first 30 minutes of our home game against Newcastle where we could easily have been 4-0 down after half an hour!

Not even going to talk about Liverpool, away to City and plenty of other games as well, pointless as you are convinced our starting slowly is a Sherwood thing when the reality is it's been all season long!

Look, I hated AVB, L10, but what is Sherwood's excuse for not getting the players geed up before they cross the white line?

 

[markieboy]

Look, I hated AVB, L10, but what is Sherwood's excuse for not getting the players geed up before they cross the white line?

Maybe our players think exactly the same as a lot of our fans..........Sherwood is only an interim manager and won't be here next season so why bother.