Ratings Vs Man Utd

[Mr Pink]

Interesting remark from Rose....'we're all grateful he's back in the team'.

 

[jonathanhotspur]

Things got so bad for Adebayor under previous head coach Andre Villas-Boas that he was sent to train with the reserves and forced to apologise to his team-mates for his behaviour from a raised platform.

“The fact he apologised shows you Ade wants to play for the club,” said Rose. “It goes without saying, he’s not short of money so he could have just sat and not done anything. But he apologised and that’s that. Whatever happened with the previous manager, it’s up to the manager.

“We had meetings about the situation. If a manager thinks something about someone, then we’ve all got to respect it. We might not agree with it, but we have to respect it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10535046/.html

 

[markieboy]

Things got so bad for Adebayor under previous head coach Andre Villas-Boas that he was sent to train with the reserves and forced to apologise to his team-mates for his behaviour from a raised platform.

“The fact he apologised shows you Ade wants to play for the club,” said Rose. “It goes without saying, he’s not short of money so he could have just sat and not done anything. But he apologised and that’s that. Whatever happened with the previous manager, it’s up to the manager.

“We had meetings about the situation. If a manager thinks something about someone, then we’ve all got to respect it. We might not agree with it, but we have to respect it.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/tottenham-hotspur/10535046/.html

That's disgusting that a grown man would be asked to do something like that.
I wouldn't let that bastard Villas Boas manage a dog kennel!

 

[Timberwolf]

That's disgusting that a grown man would be asked to do something like that.
I wouldn't let that bastard Villas Boas manage a dog kennel!

It's a bit much, but in light of Adebayor's recent form everyone seems to have forgotten how much of a gigantic phallus he was last season. He obviously had a big personality clash with Andre, and a better man manager would've found a way of dealing with this, but that doesn't make up for his petulance, lack of professionalism, and disregard for both the club and the fans.

I'm as happy as anyone that he's back to his best and scoring regularly, but we need to be careful not to get carried away. Just because he's scoring goals it doesn't suddenly make him the innocent party in all of this and I fully expect him to screw us over again sooner or later.

 

[Davo99]

Part of it was he didn't have the protection Walker had.

I think he was and he wasn't. I think Eriksen supported his full back just as much as Lennon did, just Lennon is better and most accustomed to the role than Eriksen is, as Eriksen isn't naturally a wide player. But it's a fair point.

 

[Davo99]

It's because Eriksen was coming inside and defending that zone. If Eriksen wasn't there, your Rooney's, CLeverley's and Carrick's would have pinged it through the middle. Rose was getting close to Valencia first half, and rendered Valencia useless. Second half they swapped wings and Januzaj was getting a lot of joy 1 on 1 with Rose. Once we took Adebayor off, I would have put Chadli over to help with Rose against Januzaj, who would want to cut in against Chadli's stronger foot. Then put Eriksen in the middle.

Watch the first half again. That's simply not the case. Valencia's problem was he wasn't effective enough with his final ball, not a case of being marked out of the game as you're suggesting. That's the opposite of what really happened, Valencia was getting opportunity after opportunity to assist a goal and failed to take one. Rose was in fact the useless one in his primary job, which was not give Valencia the opportunity to create.

 

[mpickard2087]

Watch the first half again. That's simply not the case. Valencia's problem was he wasn't effective enough with his final ball, not a case of being marked out of the game as you're suggesting. That's the opposite of what really happened, Valencia was getting opportunity after opportunity to assist a goal and failed to take one. Rose was in fact the useless one in his primary job, which was not give Valencia the opportunity to create.

I dunno about that, To me it looked like that Rose and co. were more worried about Valencia getting in behind and fizzing a ball across goal. Crossing isn't one of his strong points and so they were happy to stand off him and let him play 'hit and hope' crosses into the box from slightly deeper, backing Dawson and Chiriches to deal with Welbeck in an aerial duel.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I dunno about that, To me it looked like that Rose and co. were more worried about Valencia getting in behind and fizzing a ball across goal. Crossing isn't one of his strong points and so they were happy to stand off him and let him play 'hit and hope' crosses into the box from slightly deeper, backing Dawson and Chiriches to deal with Welbeck in an aerial duel.

Backing Chiriches to win aerial duels ? Sounds like a flawed plan to me. Is backing off and letting people cross the ball ever a good idea ? Doesn't sound very plausible.

 

[Damian99]

Backing Chiriches to win aerial duels ? Sounds like a flawed plan to me. Is backing off and letting people cross the ball ever a good idea ? Doesn't sound very plausible.

Not sure whoever is crossing the ball, it's a good idea to just let them put the ball in our goal area, no matter how poor they may be at crossing. Stop it at "source" keep the ball out of the box, less chance of any sillyness going on.

 

[mpickard2087]

Backing Chiriches to win aerial duels ? Sounds like a flawed plan to me. Is backing off and letting people cross the ball ever a good idea ? Doesn't sound very plausible.

When its virtually two (Dawson, Chiriches) vs one (Welbeck) then I'd expect even Chiriches to be able to win them. Looked like it to me he was happy for Valencia to cross from deeper, he seemed more pre-occupied with not letting Valencia get passed him and in behind, the far lower risk version is to allow him to sling hopeful crosses into the box to an outnumbered striker. I accept its risky and it is better to stop it at source, but is much better than getting skinned down the outside and them being in behind our defence.

 

[Legend10]

Nobody would ever allow an opponent free rein to be delivering crosses into the box from a wide position, No top level FB would be doing that.

 

[double0]

I thought Rose played Valencia very well and forced him to cross from a deeper position he could of done with a bit more help when Januzaj played second half. In general Rose wasn't as bad as people made out. Imo.

 

[Legend10]

I thought Rose played Valencia very well and forced him to cross from a deeper position he could of done with a bit more help when Januzaj played second half. In general Rose wasn't as bad as people made out. Imo.

I agree Rose was nowhere near as bad as some are saying.

 

[Legend10]

Very few people who talk about pressing seem to understand how and why it's successful.

In fact, I don't think I've ever seen anyone who advocates PRESS-ING!!!!!!!!! above all else, actually explain why it works for, say, Barcelona - and thus why it was never going to work properly for AVB. Funny that. It's almost as if it's another buzzword, denuded of all meaning, used by those with suspiciously ample spare time to ham-fistedly club at anything that doesn't make sense to them.

Quite, players also don't have unlimited supplies of energy. It can be pretty useful for front players to have some energy in the tank to be effective when we are in possession as well, pressing when its not worthwhile is a drain on this valuable resource. Its like everything else in that there is a time and place for it and it should be done accordingly and not blindly and without good purpose.

 

[Blake Griffin]

Quite, players also don't have unlimited supplies of energy. It can be pretty useful for front players to have some energy in the tank to be effective when we are in possession as well, pressing when its not worthwhile is a drain on this valuable resource. Its like everything else in that there is a time and place for it and it should be done accordingly and not blindly and without good purpose.

the pressing under avb was actually becoming counterproductive, especially at home. we were basically pinning the opposition back into the bus parking position, we don't have barca's players, we cannot break down a team of 10 behind the ball in such a confined space. we'd have been better off allowing them to push up the pitch a little. pressing + high line + inverted wingers, it's like we made it our mission to make the pitch as small as possible, if we had a team of eriksens and lamelas then maybe in time it might've worked but we don't ...

 

[Bus-Conductor]

That's disgusting that a grown man would be asked to do something like that.
I wouldn't let that bastard Villas Boas manage a dog kennel!

Didn't seem to do Suarez any harm.

This will go down well with some....

The Spurs left-back Danny Rose said that Sherwood’s switch to a system that includes two strikers had made a major difference. “No disrespect to Andre, but playing one up front has been a bit frustrating and hard for Soldado at times,” Rose said. “It is just nice that he has got a bit of help up there with Adebayor.

“The first season under Harry Redknapp there were no questions about his [Adebayor’s] attitude. Last season, I wasn’t here so I don’t know what happened. When I came back pre-season, his attitude was fine.

“Obviously there was a bit of a disagreement between him and Andre but it is finished now. We are all grateful he is back in the team. He hasn’t got a point to prove, although he is playing as if he has. He looks fresh and he is causing teams a lot of trouble.”

Apparently , according to Windy (COYS) in April 2012 (not long before he was sacked) Redknapp said Adebayor would never play for him again after Redknapp singled him out for criticism following our slump at the end of that season and they had a row.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/players-lounge/27695-possible-harry-adebayor-bust-up.html

http://www.givemesport.com/186923-spurs-striker-deal-in-doubt-after-training-ground-bust-up


It was also reported in the Mail as referenced in one of those articles.

We also had ITK in the summer that a lot of the players didn't like him much.


City virtually paid us to take him off their hands. When you consider how good Adebayor can be, I don't think it is beyond the realm of comprehension to understand why or how AVB and him fell out.

I am a huge fan of Adebayor's ability and really wish AVB had felt able to use him more, I think it could have made a big difference to our play and AVB's job. Just imagine the results and performances for Sherwood so far without Adebayor. But I can easily envisage a scenario where a manager puts his authority and the group harmony above a talented player in Adebayor's case. It would hardly be a first in his case.

 

[Legend10]

Didn't seem to do Suarez any harm.




Apparently , according to Windy (COYS) in April 2012 (not long before he was sacked) Redknapp said Adebayor would never play for him again after Redknapp singled him out for criticism following our slump at the end of that season and they had a row.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/players-lounge/27695-possible-harry-adebayor-bust-up.html

http://www.givemesport.com/186923-spurs-striker-deal-in-doubt-after-training-ground-bust-up


It was also reported in the Mail as referenced in one of those articles.

We also had ITK in the summer that a lot of the players didn't like him much.


City virtually paid us to take him off their hands. When you consider how good Adebayor can be, I don't think it is beyond the realm of comprehension to understand why or how AVB and him fell out.

I am a huge fan of Adebayor's ability and really wish AVB had felt able to use him more, I think it could have made a big difference to our play and AVB's job. Just imagine the results and performances for Sherwood so far without Adebayor. But I can easily envisage a scenario where a manager puts his authority and the group harmony above a talented player in Adebayor's case. It would hardly be a first in his case.

But in argument against that we've seen players come out in support of Ade saying they didn't know why he was frozen out, Rose now & Defoe earlier in the season are just 2 examples of this. From what i've seen the players on the pitch are happy to have him out there and have been very quick to celebrate his goals with him.

 

[theShiznit]

But in argument against that we've seen players come out in support of Ade saying they didn't know why he was frozen out, Rose now & Defoe earlier in the season are just 2 examples of this. From what i've seen the players on the pitch are happy to have him out there and have been very quick to celebrate his goals with him.

I think first and foremost players are happy to win, and not be booed off the pitch...

If Ade has helped with that then i'm sure a few personal issues can be put aside... for now.

 

[Legend10]

Didn't seem to do Suarez any harm.




Apparently , according to Windy (COYS) in April 2012 (not long before he was sacked) Redknapp said Adebayor would never play for him again after Redknapp singled him out for criticism following our slump at the end of that season and they had a row.

http://www.tottenhamhotspurs.tv/forum/players-lounge/27695-possible-harry-adebayor-bust-up.html

http://www.givemesport.com/186923-spurs-striker-deal-in-doubt-after-training-ground-bust-up


It was also reported in the Mail as referenced in one of those articles.

We also had ITK in the summer that a lot of the players didn't like him much.


City virtually paid us to take him off their hands. When you consider how good Adebayor can be, I don't think it is beyond the realm of comprehension to understand why or how AVB and him fell out.

I am a huge fan of Adebayor's ability and really wish AVB had felt able to use him more, I think it could have made a big difference to our play and AVB's job. Just imagine the results and performances for Sherwood so far without Adebayor. But I can easily envisage a scenario where a manager puts his authority and the group harmony above a talented player in Adebayor's case. It would hardly be a first in his case.

As for the Redknapp part he has been quoted in hoping to take Ade to QPR, so i'm not convinced that there's much in that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Emmanuel-Adebayor-on-loan-from-Tottenham.html

 

[Bus-Conductor]

As for the Redknapp part he has been quoted in hoping to take Ade to QPR, so i'm not convinced that there's much in that.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...Emmanuel-Adebayor-on-loan-from-Tottenham.html

Doesn't mean it didn't happen. It was pretty widely reported. Point is, at least two managers have refused to play him. He's clearly got issues, everyone can see this.

I am an Adebayor fan, I don't need convincing about his ability, but I also don't need convincing as to how or why he might alienate a manager. He's done it before.