Ratings vs Sunderland

[BringBack_leGin]

Rose is not flavour of the month scape goat, he is just plani bad. He is always out of position, he's inept on the ball, his distribution is awful, his pace is a myth and the worst part is, he just doesn't fight for the team at all. Quite the opposite, he'll instigate an opposition attack by doing something stupid and then shrug his shoulders and watch as it unfolds when he should be busting a gut to get back and redeem himself.

How we've farmed out Benny to QPR but kept this guy I just don't know. Benny may be on the decline, and I accept he might not be all that (though I personally think he is), but he is far superior to Rose. I can forigve the complete lack of any redeeming mental, physical or technical positive if he at least busted a gut and did his best for us, but he strolls around as if he's fucking Berbatov. Bad seed that boy. Bad seed.

 

[Nocando]

Has anyone mentioned that one of the best performances from Eriksen occured on the left?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Has anyone mentioned that one of the best performances from Eriksen occured on the left?

In an ideal world we'd have someone on the left who could also put a decent cross in (and cut in and shoot- i.e. maybe Chadli - or even better konoplayanka perhaps) and have Eriksen more centrally doing the VDV type thing, maybe even with Lamela on the right instead of the invisible imp.

That way we wouldn't have to loose any creative attribute provided by Eriksen's supposed default position left, we would have a genuine playmaker in a central pivotal position and wouldn't also have this constant defensive void in front of Rose as Eriksen spends vast amounts of time drifting inside looking for the ball.

This is a bit like the Modric dilemma. Your most intelligent footballer can be played in a fe positions and because of his intelligence and ability will look OK/good in any of them, but it's about getting the balance right overall and the best out of the options you have.

I can understand the logic of playing Eriksen left side of certain formations/tactical applications. Like Modric you just want the fucker on the pitch no matter what because he's your only wit, but it is no coincidence that Modric is looking better for RM this season now they have played a 433 much more often, than he did the previous two years with him in a CM2 for example.

 

[Mr Pink]

In an ideal world we'd have someone on the left who could also put a decent cross in (and cut in and shoot- i.e. maybe Chadli - or even better konoplayanka perhaps) and have Eriksen more centrally doing the VDV type thing, maybe even with Lamela on the right instead of the invisible imp.

That way we wouldn't have to loose any creative attribute provided by Eriksen's supposed default position left, we would have a genuine playmaker in a central pivotal position and wouldn't also have this constant defensive void in front of Rose as Eriksen spends vast amounts of time drifting inside looking for the ball.

This is a bit like the Modric dilemma. Your most intelligent footballer can be played in a fe positions and because of his intelligence and ability will look OK/good in any of them, but it's about getting the balance right overall and the best out of the options you have.

I can understand the logic of playing Eriksen left side of certain formations/tactical applications. Like Modric you just want the fucker on the pitch no matter what because he's your only wit, but it is no coincidence that Modric is looking better for RM this season now they have played a 433 much more often, than he did the previous two years with him in a CM2 for example.

I agree, and I know Eriksen could play in a three in midfield as the most advanced etc, but isn't there a difference between that and him playing as a true number ten -which I think is/will be his best position?

Personally...I'd love to see Lallana brought in (Not very likely probably)

How would Lallana, Eriksen and Lamela do as a three behind the foward...would that interest you?

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I agree, and I know Eriksen could play in a three in midfield as the most advanced etc, but isn't there a difference between that and him playing as a true number ten -which I think is/will be his best position?

Personally...I'd love to see Lallana brought in (Not very likely probably)

How would Lallana, Eriksen and Lamela do as a three behind the foward...would that interest you?

Yeah, like Lallana. Like Konoplyanka too though. In an ideal world your attackers rotate in game too which creates headaches for defenders.


I do think we have the makings of a decent team (defence desperately needs upgrading though). But we need Lamela to be given game time and allowed to play his way into the league as well. We let Lennon have 7 years to do that, surely we could give Lamela 7 games or so ?

 

[Nocando]

In an ideal world we'd have someone on the left who could also put a decent cross in (and cut in and shoot- i.e. maybe Chadli - or even better konoplayanka perhaps) and have Eriksen more centrally doing the VDV type thing, maybe even with Lamela on the right instead of the invisible imp.

That way we wouldn't have to loose any creative attribute provided by Eriksen's supposed default position left, we would have a genuine playmaker in a central pivotal position and wouldn't also have this constant defensive void in front of Rose as Eriksen spends vast amounts of time drifting inside looking for the ball.

This is a bit like the Modric dilemma. Your most intelligent footballer can be played in a fe positions and because of his intelligence and ability will look OK/good in any of them, but it's about getting the balance right overall and the best out of the options you have.

I can understand the logic of playing Eriksen left side of certain formations/tactical applications. Like Modric you just want the fucker on the pitch no matter what because he's your only wit, but it is no coincidence that Modric is looking better for RM this season now they have played a 433 much more often, than he did the previous two years with him in a CM2 for example.

I agree I was just being mischievous because when things aren;t going well everyone cries about the stupidity and injustice when Eriksen is played on the left as though it's a cut and dry situation. When in fact there's sometimes a very good reason why he plays there (if anything to stop us relying on Rose to put the ball in) and that should be acknowldged.

I suppose the moral of the story is that people like to cry.

 

[sloth]

Yeah, like Lallana. Like Konoplyanka too though. In an ideal world your attackers rotate in game too which creates headaches for defenders.


I do think we have the makings of a decent team (defence desperately needs upgrading though). But we need Lamela to be given game time and allowed to play his way into the league as well. We let Lennon have 7 years to do that, surely we could give Lamela 7 games or so ?

What did you think of the Chadli experiment? What about the philosophy of a deep-lying play-maker to help with the transitions from defence to attack?

 

[BringBack_leGin]

@Mr Pink
@sloth
@EastLondonYid

Please, seeing as you disagree with me (particularly you ELY seeing as you have a bit of a fetish for following my posts and disagreeing with them lately), can one of you show where my assertions about Rose are wrong? I'm all for being proved wrong when I'm being unreasonable.

- Always out of position
- Bad on the ball
- Poor distribution
- Not that pacey
- Doesn't work hard

I want out players to be good, I don't want even one of the above to be true, but I feel they are all very true, so please, give me reasons as to why I am wrong on this as just a random disagree (allowing for ELYs love of pushing that button on my posts) does very little to encourage any kind of discussion, which is the purpose of this forum as I understand it (feel free to disagree with this too if you're able to justify that disagreement).

 

[sloth]

I agree I was just being mischievous because when things aren;t going well everyone cries about the stupidity and injustice when Eriksen is played on the left as though it's a cut and dry situation. When in fact there's sometimes a very good reason why he plays there (if anything to stop us relying on Rose to put the ball in) and that should be acknowldged.

I suppose the moral of the story is that people like to cry.

Rose put two or three very good balls into the box on Monday. In fact I've seen him put a few good balls in this season.

 

[danielneeds]

Personally I think Eriksen is much more like Silva than Modric. Silva always pretty much starts from a wide position. So unless we're playing with a classical No 10, I don't see a problem with him there.

 

[sloth]

@Mr Pink
@sloth
@EastLondonYid

Please, seeing as you disagree with me (particularly you ELY seeing as you have a bit of a fetish for following my posts and disagreeing with them lately), can one of you show where my assertions about Rose are wrong? I'm all for being proved wrong when I'm being unreasonable.

- Always out of position
- Bad on the ball
- Poor distribution
- Not that pacey
- Doesn't work hard

I want out players to be good, I don't want even one of the above to be true, but I feel they are all very true, so please, give me reasons as to why I am wrong on this as just a random disagree (allowing for ELYs love of pushing that button on my posts) does very little to encourage any kind of discussion, which is the purpose of this forum as I understand it (feel free to disagree with this too if you're able to justify that disagreement).

I just disagree with all your assertions in that post, but seeing as it's your opinion, and I've already stated mine at length, the simplest thing is to simply sign my disagreement.

 

[Nocando]

Yeah, like Lallana. Like Konoplyanka too though. In an ideal world your attackers rotate in game too which creates headaches for defenders.


I do think we have the makings of a decent team (defence desperately needs upgrading though). But we need Lamela to be given game time and allowed to play his way into the league as well. We let Lennon have 7 years to do that, surely we could give Lamela 7 games or so ?

I'm not sure if this came across on tv or even in some sections of the ground but the position I was sitting for the Southampton game really brought home just how difficult is was to deal with Southampton's front three and their movement during the first 45 mins. Lallana, Rodriquez and Lambert we playing across our back four (so very advanced) and their movement was very impressive indeed. Alot of their Movement was lateral and this caused havoc as our defence couldn't keep up with them and is the reason why simple over the top or through balls were piercing through our defence.

If we could emulate that then I have no doubt that even the most defensive teams would be put under a lot of pressure and we could exploit that.

 

[danielneeds]

Rose put two or three very good balls into the box on Monday. In fact I've seen him put a few good balls in this season.

He put in some awful ones too. I would say his crossing is inconsistent rather than terrible, a la Walker.

He needs to upgraded in the summer though. Haven't seen enough from his this season.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

I just disagree with all your assertions in that post, but seeing as it's your opinion, and I've already stated mine at length, the simplest thing is to simply sign my disagreement.

I'll be honest, that post was really an elaborate dig at a certain poster who seems to get hard for neg repping me at the moment, I'm quite capable of reading both yours and Mr Pinks opinions and actually have respect for them and how thought out they are (though Rose is still awful).You two just happened to also disagree with the same post he did.

 

[Mr Pink]

Yeah, like Lallana. Like Konoplyanka too though. In an ideal world your attackers rotate in game too which creates headaches for defenders.


I do think we have the makings of a decent team (defence desperately needs upgrading though). But we need Lamela to be given game time and allowed to play his way into the league as well. We let Lennon have 7 years to do that, surely we could give Lamela 7 games or so ?

Lennon's time as a starter is up, long gone actually. Have always had a soft spot for him hoping that he would kick on and the pace he had would be really devastating if he could couple it with a bit of wit and intelligence in his play. It hasn't happened and is never going to now at his age.

Lamela needs to be brought in as soon as he's back and told that he's going to be given a serious run in the team - and a teething period will be completely tolerated.

Can't happen soon enough.

 

[sloth]

Watch it again @Chris12

 

[EastLondonYid]

@Mr Pink
@sloth
@EastLondonYid

Please, seeing as you disagree with me (particularly you ELY seeing as you have a bit of a fetish for following my posts and disagreeing with them lately), can one of you show where my assertions about Rose are wrong? I'm all for being proved wrong when I'm being unreasonable.

- Always out of position
- Bad on the ball
- Poor distribution
- Not that pacey
- Doesn't work hard

I want out players to be good, I don't want even one of the above to be true, but I feel they are all very true, so please, give me reasons as to why I am wrong on this as just a random disagree (allowing for ELYs love of pushing that button on my posts) does very little to encourage any kind of discussion, which is the purpose of this forum as I understand it (feel free to disagree with this too if you're able to justify that disagreement).

Firstly just the bottom of your Sig and your reference to Bromovinci shows clearly how touchy you seem about ratings....chill out abit.

Secondly if you look at all the disagree's i have given you are mostly to do with Benny who i don't ever want to wear our shirt again as i don't rate him at all...feel free to press the disagree button.

The ratings buttons are there for us to use....sometimes we can't be bothered to actually reply be it we can't be bothered or to busy especially with some SC posters who i may think will only bore me to death or just go round in circles with...i too am guilty of that sometimes btw.

For the record seeing as i have given you a reply...i don't rate Rose but Benny is not the answer...in fact i think he is a ...

feel free to disagree....and don't stress.

 

[Chris12]

Watch it again @Chris12

He also messed up a few crosses with little pressure as well... He did put one or two balls in that were alright, but seems like implying some of his crosses werent bad, which isn't the case.. If you're not implying, than I apologise good sir

 

[Mr Pink]

I'll be honest, that post was really an elaborate dig at a certain poster who seems to get hard for neg repping me at the moment, I'm quite capable of reading both yours and Mr Pinks opinions and actually have respect for them and how thought out they are (though Rose is still awful).You two just happened to also disagree with the same post he did.

Just to explain my reasoning BBLG.

I don't agree that he's quite that bad, but don't get me wrong - I don't think he's good enough overall for us.

He's a very mixed bag IMO. He gets forward well and finds himself in loads of good positions but more often than not he hits a cross blindly, its hit and hope a lot of the time. Defensively and on a good day, he's tenacious, tackles and competes generally quite well. On a not so good day, he can be all over the place, slack, and positionally found wanting.

 

[Chris12]

@Mr Pink
@sloth
@EastLondonYid

Please, seeing as you disagree with me (particularly you ELY seeing as you have a bit of a fetish for following my posts and disagreeing with them lately), can one of you show where my assertions about Rose are wrong? I'm all for being proved wrong when I'm being unreasonable.

- Always out of position
- Bad on the ball
- Poor distribution
- Not that pacey
- Doesn't work hard

I want out players to be good, I don't want even one of the above to be true, but I feel they are all very true, so please, give me reasons as to why I am wrong on this as just a random disagree (allowing for ELYs love of pushing that button on my posts) does very little to encourage any kind of discussion, which is the purpose of this forum as I understand it (feel free to disagree with this too if you're able to justify that disagreement).

Rose is actually relatively quick, we just don't see it often because he doesn't bust a gut to get back