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Have a read of this fellas. Excellent piece by @jair1970 for Statsbomb that tells a pretty sorry tale. (Mods I have Jair's permission to post):


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...ng-Luis-Suarez-Spurs-reveals-Ruud-Gullit.html

Holes in Tottenham

Holes in Tottenham

It was quite predictable that Stoke, a team with a reputation for tough play, should be able to roll over a typically soft-centered Tottenham side and so they did. Usually, I might just point out a few issues surrounding the dismal performance and proffer a positive solution but this week happens to coincide with a bit of research I carried out which paints a dismal picture of where Tottenham are with regard their inability to prevent chances. Amongst analytic types, this is not a new theory, i’m reminded of Colin Trainor and Paul Riley respectively highlighting and dryly remonstrating with Tottenham’s defensive issues. This plight has been a bit of an elephant in my room: I knew it was there, but tried to ignore it. Hugo Lloris has had a great season? Well, you only get that kind of swift analysis when a keeper is busy, and he sure has been.

I’m not normally drawn to location work but I’ve had a look at shooting rates inside and outside the box. This is a simple yet reasonable proxy for identifying teams that create “good chances” and has proven revealing, the in-box stuff also slightly improves on overall shot ratio with regard predictability, at least for this season. Here are the in-box shot ratios (up to May 8th):


Quickly we can identify six of the top seven clubs occupying the top six slots, which makes perfect sense. As with overall shot ratios, Man City and Liverpool look better here than their league performances indicate; their problems have to a degree revolved around conversion. Tottenham, in contrast a team that has ridden fairly high for conversion has a serious problem here. A 44% shot ratio inside the box is incredibly bad, it pegs them as being as capable of creating chances in the box at the same rate as relegation candidates. Indeed the raw numbers show that they have conceded about as many shots here as Burnley, Leicester and West Ham, with only QPR significantly exceeding that total. These are not the hallmarks of a top side.

Overall, Tottenham’s shot ratios have declined year on year, and their overall TSR of 52% is the worst they have recorded in the enlightened era (2009-10 onwards). It is actually 7% worse than Pochettino achieved with Southampton last season and is ironically, identical to Stoke’s TSR, a team that whilst widely deemed inferior, has now beaten Tottenham twice.

Andre Villas Boas was regularly castigated by fans who believed that his brand of football was sterile and non-creative. He was criticised for encouraging long range shooting and passing for the sake of passing, so apropos of nothing, here are the out-of-box shot ratios for Pochettino’s Tottenham, a team that also ranks 3rd in the league for possession:


Tottenham take a high percentage of their shots from range and struggle to create opportunities inside the box. Defensively they have failed to limit the opposition’s ability to enter the box and take shots from within. In isolation topping a shot chart might seem good, but when wedded to failing in a more important chart, it is alarming.

The similarities with the Villas Boas era are clear, as are the intransigence and the squad issues. The differences too: there is no shot dominance in 2014-15. I’m inclined to believe that the primary reason for this is systemic. On the front end, Kane is somewhat isolated in the 4-2-3-1 system and can lack support at times. In defense, the porous central midfield has been a common concern with attention slowly turning to the entire defensive unit. And the recent collapse in form is easily attributed to tiredness and a lack of rotation, but perhaps also to chickens coming home to roost? The narrow victories that characterised the mid-season have given way to draws and defeats, an inevitable by-product of a lack of dominance. Michael Caley wrote on this point last season with a case study on er… Tottenham. Both Villas Boas and Pochettino arrived with reputations as prescriptive and detailed coaches wedded to their systems and methods. Each has suffered with implementation and struggled to consistently succeed with their concepts in actual games.

That this season would be one of transition was never in doubt, and that in itself is nothing new but too many aspects of performance are currently in the bin, so much so that I would propose that improvement both underlying and in general will be a mandatory requirement set at board level next year. Any post-season performance analysis that churns out nuggets like these would likely kill off most Tottenham coaches:

  • Tottenham (53) have conceded more goals that Sunderland (50) and Hull (49) and the same amount as Burnley.
  • Tottenham (12) have lost only one fewer game than Sunderland (13)
  • They have now conceded more shots on target (169) than they have taken (166)
  • They rank 19th/20 for opposition conversion rates, no doubt powered by all those in box shots.
Under Redknapp and in Villas Boas’ initial season, Tottenham punched above their weight and took advantage particularly of Liverpool’s wobbles to regularly finish 4th or 5th. However, during this time the team’s play consistently projected to be that good. What is most concerning now is that the projections start at 7th and could arguably be lower. There is a new team in charge of recruitment and a commitment to finding players in a younger bracket and developing them, much like with Bale or Modric, has been mooted. These are admirable policies but alongside this, the £100m splurge off the back of Bale’s departure seems to be held up as a mistake. I’d argue the error wasn’t in the intention but more the execution. To have any chance of challenging for top four places once more, a mix of promise and fully realised quality is necessary, otherwise 5th to 7th is the long term. It will soon be transfer season, the sale boards are up and the toughest negotiator in town has plenty to do. Rumours persist about higher level players departing and new blood is sorely required. Once more, expectations around Tottenham have had to be tempered. Improvement is required but this time it will be starting from a lower base than usual.

- See more at: http://statsbomb.com/2015/05/holes-...d-dont-fear-the-numbers/#sthash.ebN8plj7.dpuf


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I did not write this piece (though I agree with it and have alluded to some of the problems in posts). So those that have given me ratings or are thinking of rating, please find a post (there's one in here) of @jair1970 and give hime the kudos, not me, I just cut and pasted his work.
 
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sunnydelight786

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Those are damning stats/figures for MP but no doubt the diciples of his will come along spouting the usual bollocks of it's not his players blah blah blah..... Call it for what it is for once!!!
 

Cornpattbuck

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Grim, but this past month has been terrible. Reckon since Kane got to the top of the scoring charts, he's only been put in any sort of scoring position 3-4 times in a month. It's really weird and is honestly starting to look like we're attempting to throw this season entirely. Bizarre.
 

Bus-Conductor

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Grim, but this past month has been terrible. Reckon since Kane got to the top of the scoring charts, he's only been put in any sort of scoring position 3-4 times in a month. It's really weird and is honestly starting to look like we're attempting to throw this season entirely. Bizarre.

To be fair, Kane has been one of those guiltiest of not putting people better placed into scoring positions himself.
 

DaSpurs

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Glad there's evidence to back this up. We have been stunningly poor at working the ball into the box for three seasons now.
 

Spurger King

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Glad there's evidence to back this up. We have been stunningly poor at working the ball into the box for three seasons now.

Since we sold Modric.

I know a player like him can never be replaced like-for-like, but we should have gone all out for a decent creative midfielder (*cough* Moutinho *cough*).
 

DaSpurs

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Since we sold Modric.

I know a player like him can never be replaced like-for-like, but we should have gone all out for a decent creative midfielder (*cough* Moutinho *cough*).

Agreed, but what's worse IMO is how much we spend on players not even remotely similar. We paid literally the exact same amount for two players who weren't up to snuff and are now sitting on the bench every week (or not even) anyway.

We should have gone for Pjanic in 2013, or even Rakitic before he got too big.
 

Spurger King

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Agreed, but what's worse IMO is how much we spend on players not even remotely similar. We paid literally the exact same amount for two players who weren't up to snuff and are now sitting on the bench every week (or not even) anyway.

We should have gone for Pjanic in 2013, or even Rakitic before he got too big.

I can only assume that wages were the problem with Moutinho. I know some of the very top ITK have suggested that Levy misled AVB and only wanted to give the appearance of putting in a serious bid, but he would have been worth more to the club than Siggy, Dempsey, and Dembele combined.

Agree about Pjanic. I suspect Rakitic was always off the menu.

We have problems all over the pitch, but for me the centre is the key. Since we had Modric and Parker/Sandro we've just either looked devoid of creativity but strong (Dembele and Sandro), devoid of creativity but congested (Paulinho, Dembele, Sandro/Capoue), or just plain weak with the occasional pumped up performance (Bentaleb and Mason).

I think Bentaleb and Mason represent the idea of the type of midfield we need - one that has tough tackling and pressing from both, with one being the metronome (Bentaleb) and the other looking for the forward pass (Mason). It's just that neither are particularly good at those roles on a consistent basis yet (and possibly never will be, but we'll see).

We've lacked a midfield general since the first half a season that Dembele was at the club, where he did perform consistently well. Not sure Schneiderlin is the answer (or even obtainable), but can't see what options there are out there. It's not as if we'd have the likes of Gundogan jumping at the chance to join the Pochettino devolution.
 

arunspurs

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If we don't take much shots inside box its because we don't put much balls into the box in first place.
This is what I have been saying all season - our wing play isn't good enough

Our wingers don't beat the full back on the outside & put a cross in.
Only Chadli & Rose to an extent make an effort to get behind teh full back. Dier has done it on rare occasions.
Lamela ofcourse, never does this.

IMO, this stat is very much explainable.

This can be solved by buying couple of quality wing forwards.
 

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If we don't take much shots inside box its because we don't put much balls into the box in first place.
This is what I have been saying all season - our wing play isn't good enough

Our wingers don't beat the full back on the outside & put a cross in.
Only Chadli & Rose to an extent make an effort to get behind teh full back. Dier has done it on rare occasions.
Lamela ofcourse, never does this.

IMO, this stat is very much explainable.

This can be solved by buying couple of quality wing forwards.
I'd say that it's because our wingers are inverted the majority of the time and not great with their weaker foot (IMO thus failing the test for an inverted winger... they have to be reasonable at crossing with their weaker foot).

Totally agree with your point, though - you can't rely on the fullbacks, as they aren't good enough (apart from Rose).

Whilst crossing is a problem, it is only one of the problems. Eriksen has not shown enough to give him the #10 shirt on a regular occasion. We also need more creative CMs... and to be playing 4-3-3 !!!
 

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IMO poch has only next season, to not only improve results, but improve the team and general playing style.

If we don't see vast improvement, he must go.
 

DaSpurs

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I'd say that it's because our wingers are inverted the majority of the time and not great with their weaker foot (IMO thus failing the test for an inverted winger... they have to be reasonable at crossing with their weaker foot).

Totally agree with your point, though - you can't rely on the fullbacks, as they aren't good enough (apart from Rose).

Whilst crossing is a problem, it is only one of the problems. Eriksen has not shown enough to give him the #10 shirt on a regular occasion. We also need more creative CMs... and to be playing 4-3-3 !!!

I believe I read somewhere we were one of the most crossing sides in the league last term, only behind Man U. Our problem hasn't been lack of crossing itself, but a) lack of quality crossing and b) hopeful crossing into stacked and organized boxes. It doesn't matter if your wingers or inverted or traditional, great crossers or shite ones, if you don't get the ball forward quickly enough such that you have room to work with then your effectiveness to create dangerous chances in the box drops considerably.

Point is, that the wingers are inverted isn't the issue. Clubs are winning leagues all over Europe and the CL with inverted wingers on both sides. The problem is we simply are giving none of our attackers room to work with, and that comes from having insufficient pace to physically open space and insufficient creativity to create and attack space.
 

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I have been shouting this out since January!!!

For once, this season, Spurs have been INCREDIBLY LUCKY. All the foootball data analysis that has started to pop up comes to the same conclusion...this team is much higher in the table than they should be with the football they play. Whether it be our atrocious defensive play or our inability to create clear cut chances, whether you are looking at xG maps or whatever, it all gets to the same conclusion.

This team is playing poor football, and has been all season long. Finally in these last couple of months it has caught up to us and we are turning in results more fitting of the football we are playing.

What is scary is that this is WITH the best striker we have had in years...Poch would not have a job were we still with Bobby/Ade!
 

Spurger King

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I have been shouting this out since January!!!

For once, this season, Spurs have been INCREDIBLY LUCKY. All the foootball data analysis that has started to pop up comes to the same conclusion...this team is much higher in the table than they should be with the football they play. Whether it be our atrocious defensive play or our inability to create clear cut chances, whether you are looking at xG maps or whatever, it all gets to the same conclusion.

This team is playing poor football, and has been all season long. Finally in these last couple of months it has caught up to us and we are turning in results more fitting of the football we are playing.

What is scary is that this is WITH the best striker we have had in years...Poch would not have a job were we still with Bobby/Ade!

Post of the year :playful:

Botchettino has done a brilliant job taking over a top 4 to 6 team, and turning them into some plucky overachieving mid-table club fighting for 7th. What a legend. The 'magician' transforming our aspirations before our eyes!

(Just to be clear, I'm aware you're being sarcastic. Still post of the year).
 

Vwbottom

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We have the youngest squad in the league, able to hold the ball up in 2/3rds of the pitch over 90mins. Does that not count for anything????? :whistle:
 

Spurger King

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We have the youngest squad in the league, able to hold the ball up in 2/3rds of the pitch over 90mins. Does that not count for anything????? :whistle:

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Hoddle&Waddle

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Post of the year :playful:

Botchettino has done a brilliant job taking over a top 4 to 6 team, and turning them into some plucky overachieving mid-table club fighting for 7th. What a legend. The 'magician' transforming our aspirations before our eyes!

(Just to be clear, I'm aware you're being sarcastic. Still post of the year).
Sorry mate but I think you must be a bit deluded to think we were a "top 4" team before Poch took over.
 
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Gbspurs

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Sorry mate but I think you must be a bit deluded to think we where a "top 4" team before Poch took over.

Agree but to be fair our rivals have gone from being Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool to Swansea and Southampton.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Uncanny. Shots inside/outside the box ratios was one of my pet peeves under AVB. Naturally, under Pochettino, we are even worse. :banghead:
 
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