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dudu

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Oh look who pipes up the person that takes a comment i made when Bale was at left back when he was 17 and use's it to try and make me look foolish? I can laugh about that Bale comment but the difference was Bale was always going to be a top player i just got the wrong position, just like so many others.

It's my opinion having seen Chadli quite a bit over his career to tell you that in flashes he has some serious ability however he is not consistent enough. This is not a 17 year old left back we are talking about this is a 23 year old winger who is already getting towards his peak years in that position.

The issue i have on these boards is people think that just because Spurs signed a player they will turn out great. Percentages say that a tleast one of our 7 new signings is going to be a letdown and so far without seeing Vlad and knowing the ability of Eriksen it is likely to be Chadli.

Let's have this discussion again at the end of the season and if he has been superb, i will put my hands up and you can use one of my comments to continue you internet love affair with me!

I think the point is why sit on here discussing who might not succeed. I mean what is the point and why on earth would you not just give him a season before writing him off. Why not start the discussion at the end of the season rather than brining un- needed and largely unfounded negativity to the table.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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All we need now is a cross section of Ol'Gibbsy (He who MUST be trusted) and Dan Ashcroft types to march on Downing Street behind a street-wide banner, singing "Tottnam futball club is in der rong'ands" and the embarrassment will be complete :wtf:
 

HobbitSpur

The Voice of Reason
Jun 28, 2013
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I have a "Special Relationship" with my other half, it means I can F*ck her whenever I want to.

Any Similarities.........:whistle:
 

Spurz

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Feb 3, 2004
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This is all nonsense. You guys will just believe what you want to believe. Levy had a choice not to accept any bid from RM but he did. Did the partnership allow Bale to go on the cheap? No, it was a world record! Would RM sell us Ozil? I doubt they would care. If we could meet their asking price and Ozil wages, sure why not. Do you think they will offer us any players cheaply! We certainly didn't offer them any discount for buying Bale. Do you think Levy will spend 42 million of our budget on just 1 player and on top of that 200k wages per week? I doubt so. Papers reported he tried to stop the transfer. What do you think Perez said? Probably ask him if he wanted to take over the transfer which Levy promptly hung up the phone. You people need to get a grip.
 

JerryGarcia

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May 18, 2006
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Seriously? A petition? What an embarrassment. Next you'll want to have t-shirts made or a special mosaic for the next home game.
 

jambreck

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1) Not in the least little bit. I am often amused. Sometimes aroused. Frequently perplexed. Hell, I am often enraged (I do have something of a temper - think Sopranos, and not Withnail and I.

2) That would be where you claimed that:
No one knew what it involved? - as per my original response, yes, they do. I have enough of an idea, as do many, it has been discussed on here several times, there have been club announcements on it, there have been many articles, easily accessible, on the Interwebs. I answered that part of your query. You still came back with a rehashed repeat of the same question making me reach the conclusion that despite me taking the time to search threads, read through them to ensure the content I remembered was still there, and posting the links, with one full text announcement, you just hadn't actually bothered to appreciate the time I took to do this, read the threads, or understand that there is a hierarchy of knowledge starting with Daniel Levy and descending, finally, to us. We know that it, basically, the same as our other club partnerships (perhaps if you did some research on them), we know that it involves financial and coaching best practice exchange. We know that we are not going to be given day-by-day accounts or footage of coaching exchanges - why the hell would we? Over-reaching yourself, much!
No one from the club has explained it? - as per my original response, I provided you with a club announcement (there have been others). I answered this query with full cognizance of the wording and apparent purport of the query. You said Yes. That's the statement and then rehashed your objection to be surrounding its vagueness. Well, I'm sorry (or lawdy, lawdy, woe is me), but you, to all intents and purposes claimed there had been no information whatsoever form the club, prompting me to take the time to search and re-read threads to provide that and then you displayed knowledge of it (you just imagine it is too vague for a fan of your pre-eminence, who should be privy to, well, all the workings of the Privy Council). Can you not see how that may be somewhat vexing and colour my subsequent response?
No evidence of cooperation at any level? - I've provided you with that, apocryphal as it may be (parent seeing RM coach teaching skills handed down from Zidane). I then asked just what evidence you seem to believe you should be provided. Myself and plenty of others have understood enough to know that this club agreement is basically the same as the others we have and do not involve a specific agreement to hand our best player over, nor that RM's actions this Summer would require any justification from such agreements.
So, you see, I understood fully, with no confusion whatsoever, just the tangent you had taken the conversation which, believe me, was nowhere near as original of astounding as you seem to think it was, and I answered it fully.

3) There's a remedy for that. You must get very tired, then. I, myself, almost as a continuous process, face accusations that I never criticise Daniel Levy, despite every time this is stated posting up critiques I have made of him and critiques that were original/not the concensus view. That is tiresome and an incorrect inference. Join the tired club (y)

4) You shouldn't feign intellectualism (oozing out of every pore of your response if you can't follow complex arguments and categorise them as long-winded)!

5) Ooooh, big word...had to look that one up :cry:

6) As explained in 2, above, perhaps there is an explanation for my condescending manner. Maybe the origins, in general, lie in the number of times the club partnerships have been explained, followed by repeats of the bizarre rantings answered at length. More locally to yourself, in that I took the time to search for threads and post the links, and add the text of a club announcement, followed by your acknowledgment that you were, actually, aware of the announcement, not only making you claim that the club hadn't informed us at all a lie (or an oversight, if I am being kind), and meaning I had wasted a considerable amount of time to kindly provide you with something you already knew. Another alternative is that you were not aware of this announcement, you are just pretending you were. Maybe, also, it stemmed form the fact that you seem to have a bizarre notion that you should have all the information to hand that the club chairman does. Yeah, like said, I have something of a temper and when someone does this I may come across as condescending - probably because I believe it warrants condescension (y)

7) No problem...won't be interacting with you again. Gives me immense pleasure to grant this wish (y)

8) I did - have just provided copious evidence demonstrating that I read both of your posts fully (wish the same could be said in reverse, unfortunately, don't see the evidence) (y)

9) Patience and a placid temperament ain't my strong suit...understanding is (y)

10) Won't happen again (y)

11) My response wasn't misguided, just your faculty for comprehension (y)

12) One person's non sequitor is another person's fair inference. In this instance, the thread is specifically a whinge concerning the club agreement and relating it directly to RM's pursuit of Bale. You were responding to a poster who stated that it was bizarre to link them, by claiming that it is the lack of information that is causing this. I answered that effectively (taking some time and effort to do so). You then showed that you were aware of the announcement (yeah, ta for that) but still demanded more and more and more information on it until you have all the evidence in the World and are the doyen of club partnerships (your elevated view of your own importance is astounding). does it really take that much of a leap of imagination to view you as a petulant little child, taking a negative view of the club partnerships (you hardly seemed to be being positive about them, did you?). I believe it is a fair inference, then, that you are either imputing a causal link between club partnership with RM and the way they tapped-up and unsettled Bale, or justifying the same - but that there is zero evidence of this and plenty enough knowledge of what the club partnerships entail to dismiss this.

13) I didn't need any - see 2 above (thanks for insulting my intelligence, again).

14) Didn't need any reminders (thanks for insulting my intelligence, again).

15) Yes, we've established that, and I comprehended it fully.

16) No, but the fact that you were still worrying it like a bone even though I had provided copious information for you and suggested you did more research, even when a flat club announcement of what the club partnerships entail is enough for plenty of us), and still suggesting that there is sufficient scope to believe that they entailed a gift of Bale clause (especially when there is no reason whatoever for RM to needed that to do what they did) does make the inference that you are nay-saying the club partnership a reasonable one.

17) Oh, were you. See, from here it looks as though you are suggesting that that misunderstanding was a reasonable one when quite clearly, for all the reasons given, it just simply flat isn't, based on the information we have.

18) No, it didn't - plenty of us, based on what we know of the club partnerships and the club announcement, understand fully what is and isn't involved, and also see that there is no need whatsoever for RM to even need a club partnership to do what they did (just as, rather than seeing it as the disaster of all disasters, can see it in the context of being a higher level whoring than being United's 'ho). And if you had paid my original response the respect it was due, for having taken the time to search and post for you, you would be aware of just how often these rantings about club agreements in general, and the one with RM in particular, have arisen - hence the vexation some of us feel at answering the same things over and over again. Instead, you chose to ignore that by shifting the emphasis of your questions, inadvertently revealing a deceit and continuing to attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

19) Yeah...well...er...that's a bit of high sounding cod philosophy. Unfortunately, it is also nonsense. Certain members of the board continue to fill their ire at the possibility, and then reality, of losing Bale with all manner of conspiracy and conjecture because they refuse to read the explanations provided as to how there is plenty enough to not draw the same mistaken causal relationship over and again, especially when it doesn't need to be made at all/of!





20) That is all (y)

21) I hope that is finally sufficient explanation for you (y)


There were two ways that you could have replied to my post.

One was to show some character and admit that you were mistaken. The other was to post an even more long winded, pompous and tedious response. You chose the latter. You even itemised it. Congratulations.......I think you might well have won yourself a nomination for Bore of the Year.

And after the whole dreary thing was said and done, it was perfectly apparent that you still hadn't grasped what I was saying or why I said it - despite your preposterously self regarding protestations to the contrary.

I'm not going to explain it to you again. Nor will I respond to the rest of your blather - partly because I have neither the time nor the energy; partly because you chose to disbelieve the explanation that I already gave you, preferring instead to ascribe to me an altogether different motive; and partly because I know that it will infuriate you (tedious, self aggrandising and "enraged" pedant that you are).

The good news is that you "won't be interacting" with me again. So no more lists. Excellent.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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There were two ways that you could have replied to my post.

One was to show some character and admit that you were mistaken. The other was to post an even more long winded, pompous and tedious response. You chose the latter. You even itemised it. Congratulations.......I think you might well have won yourself a nomination for Bore of the Year.

And after the whole dreary thing was said and done, it was perfectly apparent that you still hadn't grasped what I was saying or why I said it - despite your preposterously self regarding protestations to the contrary.

I'm not going to explain it to you again. Nor will I respond to the rest of your blather - partly because I have neither the time nor the energy; partly because you chose to disbelieve the explanation that I already gave you, preferring instead to ascribe to me an altogether different motive; and partly because I know that it will infuriate you (tedious, self aggrandising and "enraged" pedant that you are).

The good news is that you "won't be interacting" with me again. So no more lists. Excellent.

Wondered how long it would take you to compose your devastating riposte.

The fact that you believe there were only two ways for me to respond shows just how limited your intellect is.

Pity I don't have any character - something that is clearly demonstrated by thinking you are a tedious little child.

Yes, obviously I was mistaken - amazing, really, that I have got through life thus far on faux understanding, ashamed to admit my failing (although I did believe I had demonstrated to the satisfaction of any intelligent person that I had understood - but tant pis).

Preposterously self regarding - now that really is risible. Someone says something you don't like and you can tell all this about him. Wow, you must be like Sherlock Holmes or summit.

You aren't going to explain to me again - well, thank the lawdy lawdy for that, my brain may just have melted if you hadn't shown me this small mercy.

I have nominated myself for many things - none so pitiable as the one you have earned the needy one (and if you can tell me the mighty antecedent to this, off the top of your head, I will be impressed) :giggle:

Yes, clearly, you aren't going to respond to the rest of my blather because you don't want to, and not because you are bamboozled (but I am sure how us mere mortals could be confused by the ambiguity - but you divine ones do defy logic, don't you now, you naughty deity).

What makes you believe anything you do will infuriate me - now that is self-regard :giggle: Enraged, no, just a little ennui is all.

Just to be clear about this, before <IGNORE> is activated, you are an annoying fly buzz buzzing around, distracting the higher intellects from proper purpose...I swat you away. Now, go away and lay your festering spawn on some rotting meat or something...I care not :giggle:
 

DFF

YOLO, Daniel
May 17, 2005
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So we've gained commercial and training insights from them in order to take the next step up, milked them of €100m, whilst improving our team massively from last season...

Yeah, let's bloody tear this partnership up.
 

DFF

YOLO, Daniel
May 17, 2005
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BTW, I learned a long time ago that the one person on this site who's more stubbornist (that's a word) than I, is SP. He will word-count you to death, even if he agrees with you.
 

StartingPrice

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Feb 13, 2004
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BTW, I learned a long time ago that the one person on this site who's more stubbornist (that's a word) than I, is SP. He will word-count you to death, even if he agrees with you.

Why you little...:eek::eek::eek:

Anyway, I was right because

drone
drone
drone

prattle
prattle
prattle

self-regarding blather
self-regarding blather
self-regarding blather

(see, I can conform to the norm ;))

It is Jambreck I feel sorry for in all this - he gifted me with his profundity, and I was such a dullard I could not see. His qualities were lost to me when he was with here, but now that he is gone I am bereft of all hope. What am I to do...oh, would that I were young again. I shall take me away, forthwith and do something drastic...probably some kind of self-immolation, or summit :cry:

p.s. Slothio does run me a close second, IMHO (y)
 

scat1620

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May 11, 2008
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is there really such a difference for him to agree to go to spurs or arsenal? I don't think so. Pay him the wages and RM the fee and we could have done it.

If Ozil would have only moved to a club who were going to be in the Champions League this season (and that's how a lot of players think, however well we can sell our project) then it didn't matter what we would might have been able to offer him, he would have always have chosen Arsenal (or another CL team in one of the major leagues) over us. Just because we think that we'll be in a position to finish in the CL places at the end of this season doesn't mean that some players won't settle for that and instead insist on a club playing CL football now (especially those moving from a CL club like Ozil was).

Of course, we shouldn't beat ourselves up and we should appreciate that we've got a side full of players with excellent potential, but there's no harm in admitting that that isn't enough for some of our targets who want guaranteed CL football and/or a high likelihood of winning trophies now, not next season.
 

StartingPrice

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Further to my good fiend Scat's post, what the Ozil transfer does is shows just where we are at as a club ATM (and the Goons) IMHO.
We are able to attract top overseas talent...before they reach a certain age (Ericksen/Lamela), or when they begin the downward slope of their career (VDV), but not quite able to pull players close to the elite going into their best years, yet. We are seen as a club who could, soon, be a genuine CL club, but we are not a genuine CL club, yet. I would see it as definite progress. Not so long ago we would never have got a sniff at Ericksen at 21, ditto Lamela - remember, both these players have been seen for a long time as destined for the very top. My belief (or, at least, reasonable hope) is that this latest raft of signings will push us that little bit, to actually being genuine challengers.

The Goons are seen as the most vulnerable of the top 4. They have been a genuine CL team, albeit nowhere near favourites for the competition. Nothing shows this more than the fact that they have had similar problems to ourselves in attracting/keeping top level strikers - the game is about goals and nothing is more difficult and more expensive, on the whole, than getting a genuine goal-getter at the highest level*. in the case of Ozil, no matter what he is saying now to curry favour with the Goons, he desperately wanted to stay at RM, according to reports he was holding out to the last minute because he desperately wanted United and believed they would come in for him - the Goons were a third choice, if even that. He consented to go to them because Real were desperate to get him off the wage bill and even as an unattractive/less attractive proposition to him they do have CL football and can match his wage demands. We can do neither.

*This is why I believe signing Soldado was such a coup: for years we have been trying to get an elite striker at his peak. If we are honest, if you could envisage an imaginary line separate elite strikers into two tiers Rob would be below the first tier. I doubt we could attract a striker above that imaginary line, just yet. But it is still a significant signing.
 

Rout-Ledge

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*This is why I believe signing Soldado was such a coup: for years we have been trying to get an elite striker at his peak. If we are honest, if you could envisage an imaginary line separate elite strikers into two tiers Rob would be below the first tier. I doubt we could attract a striker above that imaginary line, just yet. But it is still a significant signing.

True. But the strikers in the group above that 'imaginary line' are very very low in number these days and all seem to cost about £50m and demand gazillions in wages. Falcao, Ibra, RVP, Neymar, Cavani, Suarez, maybe Aguero. That's about it. I don't see us ever signing one of those players 'ready made'.
 

StartingPrice

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1) True. But the strikers in the group above that 'imaginary line' are very very low in number these days and all seem to cost about £50m and demand gazillions in wages. Falcao, Ibra, RVP, Neymar, Cavani, Suarez, maybe Aguero. That's about it. 2) I don't see us ever signing one of those players 'ready made'.

1) Yeah, that's the point I'm making. Looks more stark when put like that. We are, what? 14th, 11th, something like that in a list of Europe's top/richest clubs - that's a long way down when trying to get a fair share of maybe six players, especially with clubs wanting more than 1 if possible. Even if we do supplant the Goons in the top four, we would surely have less clout, still, than United, Citeh and the other lot, plus Bayern Munich, possibily Dortmund, PSG and Monaco (until they are tax-slapped), Real, Barca, Juventus and AC Milan (possibly Inter, too, if they can get their act together. Well, not unless Joe Lewis is gonna do a belated Abrahmovich.

2) Maybies. Who can say. Levy is certainly aiming to make us genuine challengers at the top of the European game. On a personal note, I don't really care if we never pay top dollar for a ready-made elite striker. Just so long as we have the players on the pitch doing the business (an ode to BMJ, maybe?), then I don't care if we spent £2.50 and a tube of Smarties (worrying about having paid the biggest transfer fee? - I'll leave that to RM, ta :giggle:).
 

tototoner

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Mar 21, 2004
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Every non Tottenham fan and media pundit said when the partnership deal was announced after Modric joined them that it meant we would sell them Bale a year later.

Like a mug I didn't want to believe it, how stupid do I look now.

There never was a partnership in my eyes, just one club screwing I've another and cherry pickings their best players.

Fuck them.

And as for the petition - that is more pathetic than sending them a letter - all it provides is more ammunition for our rivals
 

jambreck

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Wondered how long it would take you to compose your devastating riposte.

The fact that you believe there were only two ways for me to respond shows just how limited your intellect is.

Pity I don't have any character - something that is clearly demonstrated by thinking you are a tedious little child.

Yes, obviously I was mistaken - amazing, really, that I have got through life thus far on faux understanding, ashamed to admit my failing (although I did believe I had demonstrated to the satisfaction of any intelligent person that I had understood - but tant pis).

Preposterously self regarding - now that really is risible. Someone says something you don't like and you can tell all this about him. Wow, you must be like Sherlock Holmes or summit.

You aren't going to explain to me again - well, thank the lawdy lawdy for that, my brain may just have melted if you hadn't shown me this small mercy.

I have nominated myself for many things - none so pitiable as the one you have earned the needy one (and if you can tell me the mighty antecedent to this, off the top of your head, I will be impressed) :giggle:

Yes, clearly, you aren't going to respond to the rest of my blather because you don't want to, and not because you are bamboozled (but I am sure how us mere mortals could be confused by the ambiguity - but you divine ones do defy logic, don't you now, you naughty deity).

What makes you believe anything you do will infuriate me - now that is self-regard :giggle: Enraged, no, just a little ennui is all.

Just to be clear about this, before <IGNORE> is activated, you are an annoying fly buzz buzzing around, distracting the higher intellects from proper purpose...I swat you away. Now, go away and lay your festering spawn on some rotting meat or something...I care not :giggle:

Your turgid contribution to this discussion and your ever more desperately shrill attempts to place yourself among "the higher intellects" leaves the reader with no doubt as to the comically high regard in which you hold yourself.
 
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