Real Madrid Partnership

[Kirito]

Oh look who pipes up the person that takes a comment i made when Bale was at left back when he was 17 and use's it to try and make me look foolish? I can laugh about that Bale comment but the difference was Bale was always going to be a top player i just got the wrong position, just like so many others.

It's my opinion having seen Chadli quite a bit over his career to tell you that in flashes he has some serious ability however he is not consistent enough. This is not a 17 year old left back we are talking about this is a 23 year old winger who is already getting towards his peak years in that position.

The issue i have on these boards is people think that just because Spurs signed a player they will turn out great. Percentages say that a tleast one of our 7 new signings is going to be a letdown and so far without seeing Vlad and knowing the ability of Eriksen it is likely to be Chadli.

Let's have this discussion again at the end of the season and if he has been superb, i will put my hands up and you can use one of my comments to continue you internet love affair with me!

Well...

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/gareth-bale.36738/#post-1067252

He was 19 and you even quoted that in your post and all of us could see his potential apart from you apparently. Now I'm not saying Chadli will be as good as Bale but he's a decent player in that position. We tried to get Willian but Chelsea fucked us so theres not much we can do about that, so just support Chadli as he's clearly going to be given time by our manager.

 

[13VanDerBale13]

some people really dont like it

http://www.change.org/petitions/tot...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

I have signed up lol , I want some answers from Spurs!

 

[wooderz]

some people really dont like it

http://www.change.org/petitions/tot...&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=share_petition

This is just pathetic.. Sorry, but it is

 

[StartingPrice]

No one seems to know what it involves because no one from either club has ever explained it, to my knowledge, and we've had zero evidence of there having been any cooperation at any level between the clubs.

And yet there have been threads on SC, articles on the Interwebs and even club announcements on it. Here's a couple of threads, you might find some interesting debate in them:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ion-deal-with-independiente-of-ecuador.79337/

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/real-madrid-partnership.93408/page-3

In this latter, specifically relating to Madrid and Bale, I made the following post:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/real-madrid-partnership.93408/page-3#post-3230017

Real Madrid 'partnership'..

How I remember it is that it universally reported as being an integral part of the Modric deal (and Levy was really pushing for it, and at a time when Real were having to make concessions, as said above). So it was reported in the press. But then I got to thinking that I recalled a club statement to the effect and it should be on the OS. So I have searched on there, and this is what I found:

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/club-announcement-27082012.page?

"CLUB ANNOUNCEMENT

Posted 27 August 2012 08:51am
CLUB ANNOUNCES PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH REAL MADRID AND TRANSFER OF LUKA MODRIC
The Club can announce that it has signed a partnership agreement with Real Madrid FC and reached agreement for the transfer of Luka Modric, subject to medical, to the Spanish club.
The partnership agreement will see the two Clubs working together in respect of players, coaching, best practices and commercial relationships.
Real Madrid FC President, Florentino Perez Rodriguez, said, "The strong relationship and affinity between our two clubs has resulted in the cementing of a longer-term partnership and the successful transfer of Luka Modric. We are delighted to welcome Luka and look forward to working closely with Tottenham in the coming years."
Daniel Levy, Chairman, Tottenham Hotspur, commented, "Luka has been a terrific player for us and, whilst we preferred not to part with him, we are pleased that it is to Real Madrid, a club with which we now look forward to sharing a long and productive partnership."​

 

[Krafty]

What people don't appreciate is that a) we are not a truly massive club, certainly not on Real's level, b) there are lots of different practices, rules and opportunities in different countries, and c) companies, in any field, are always looking at best practices.

I don't think Levy is looking at players when he does these tie ups. He is looking at the training facilities, how the academy is set up, how contracts are drawn (especially with regard to image rights), access to scouting networks, commercial deals and relationships, how they structure their medical facilities, business interests outside of football, etc etc etc.

Madrid have been operating at the highest level for a very long time. There is plenty we can learn from them, plenty that will speed up our own progress and mean we don't have to make mistakes before we learn.

One the most fascinating things I heard about St Georges Park (the new England training centre) was that the dutch FA, German FA and Spanish FA had all been in touch to find out what England was doing, how they were doing it, what resources they etc. England is generally thought to behind these country in terms of youth development and yet they wanted to find out what the English were doing. It's all about information, it's all about the extra 1%, it's all about taking the best bits from everyone else and doing it better.

 

[Montasura]

If only it weren't a piss take.....

http://www.footballcourier.com/news...-saves-tottenham-from-madrid-partnership.html

Hashtag Brigade Saves Tottenham From Madrid Partnership

Thanks to a voracious hashtag campaign on twitter, Tottenham Hotspur announced today that they are severing their special partnership with Real Madrid.

"Thanks to #endmadridpartnership I realized that we need to stop working with Real Madrid CF," said Spurs chairman Daniel Levy. "I would like to thank those courageous twitter users who, despite no knowledge of what the deal involved, brought its negative effects to my attention. They are heroes who deserve their place alongside Ardiles, Hoddle, and Blanchflower in our club's proud history for ending this partnership, which largely revolved around behind the scenes, non-football operations."

"Their service to the club is of a fantastic dimension," said manager Andre Villas Boas. "If only their hard work could have been done sooner and stopped the sale of Gareth Bale , which never would have happened without the facilitation of this special relationship. They opened our eyes to this self-inflicted wound."

Real Madrid President Florentino Perez was said to be furious over the diligence of the Tottenham faithful. Confident he had the wool pulled over the eyes of the otherwise savvy Tottenham chairman, the galactico-obsessed construction magnate was furious at the social media campaign. "I WOULD HAVE GOT AWAY WITH IT ...

 

[jambreck]

And yet there have been threads on SC, articles on the Interwebs and even club announcements on it. Here's a couple of threads, you might find some interesting debate in them:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...ion-deal-with-independiente-of-ecuador.79337/

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/real-madrid-partnership.93408/page-3

In this latter, specifically relating to Madrid and Bale, I made the following post:

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/real-madrid-partnership.93408/page-3#post-3230017

Real Madrid 'partnership'..

How I remember it is that it universally reported as being an integral part of the Modric deal (and Levy was really pushing for it, and at a time when Real were having to make concessions, as said above). So it was reported in the press. But then I got to thinking that I recalled a club statement to the effect and it should be on the OS. So I have searched on there, and this is what I found:​

​

http://www.tottenhamhotspur.com/spurs/News/club-announcement-27082012.page?​

​

"CLUB ANNOUNCEMENT​

​

Posted 27 August 2012 08:51am​

CLUB ANNOUNCES PARTNERSHIP AGREEMENT WITH REAL MADRID AND TRANSFER OF LUKA MODRIC​

The Club can announce that it has signed a partnership agreement with Real Madrid FC and reached agreement for the transfer of Luka Modric, subject to medical, to the Spanish club.​

The partnership agreement will see the two Clubs working together in respect of players, coaching, best practices and commercial relationships.​

Real Madrid FC President, Florentino Perez Rodriguez, said, "The strong relationship and affinity between our two clubs has resulted in the cementing of a longer-term partnership and the successful transfer of Luka Modric. We are delighted to welcome Luka and look forward to working closely with Tottenham in the coming years."​

Daniel Levy, Chairman, Tottenham Hotspur, commented, "Luka has been a terrific player for us and, whilst we preferred not to part with him, we are pleased that it is to Real Madrid, a club with which we now look forward to sharing a long and productive partnership."​

Yes. That's the statement.

But it's very vague. We are none the wiser as to how the clubs are working together or to what extent.

And, as I said, nor have we have seen any evidence of this partnership in action.

 

[Spurger King]

I've been a Barca fan almost as long as I've supported Spurs, so I need no encouragement to dislike that corrupt, Government funded joke of a team, but I don't think the 'partnership' is much of a reason to.

First off I can't imagine any kind of partnership in the world where one side dictates to the other what they can and can't do with their own players. Do people think that if Barca had come in and offered more for Bale than Madrid, we'd let Madrid tell us to veto it? I doubt Madrid were going out of their way to push Ozil towards the gooners. It's just that they were willing to pay what was required, and for both Ozil and Madrid it was the best offer available.

Same with Coentrao. If he'd gone to United it would have been down to wages and Coentrao preferring them over us, which is to be expected when talking about the sort of players Madrid have.

Two summers ago were were all apoplectic at the thought of Modric going to the chavs. This summer the mere thought of United signing Bale was enough to cause many (including myself) to reach for the whisky. It's always going to be next to impossible to keep our very best players if we're not offering champions league football and competitive wages, so if Madrid buying our want-away players means that they don't go to a rival and we get paid huge sums in the process, that sounds good to me.

The one point that I feel we might have a right to be aggrieved over is Madrid's relentless and pathetic tapping up through former and current players, as well as the Spanish media. However that's typical for Madrid so nobody at Spurs should act surprised. I doubt it made any difference to the chances of Bale staying or going. Might have been different if we'd actually managed to qualify for the champions league.

I don't see too many people complaining about us taking two of Ajax's best players in the last two summers either.

 

[StartingPrice]

Yes. That's the statement.

But it's very vague. We are none the wiser as to how the clubs are working together or to what extent.

And, as I said, nor have we have seen any evidence of this partnership in action.

How much information do you want, and how much do you think you should get?
I have given you two threads filled with debate and information, have you taken the time to read them? You could also, like, do some research yourself!

On coaching there is a poster who commented that his son is at the academy and he saw for himself a coach from RM teaching tricks he learned directly from Zidane (the tosser).
Do you expect to see balance sheets demonstrating that our profit in a certain direction is up 0.02% thanks to knowledge acquired from RM? No, of course you aren't!

The fact is, Daniel Levy has been very forward in establishing these club partnerships across the globe (not just with RM), and he was more than eager to push a less than willing RM into one. Why do you think he did that? What do you think we should be seeing from it? What do you think we are failing to see from it?

Why do you think RM needed this club agreement to bully us for players - United did it with Carrick and Berbatov without any such agreement! And we have been being bullied out of players for quite a while before Daniel Levy established these club agreements across the globe. As SpurgerKing says, above, as a Barca and Spurs fan with zero love for RM, there is absolutely no need to impute tapping-up and unsettling Bale (or any other player) onto this club agreement. It is just something tangible to wave a stick at, rather than just accepting that that is where we are ATM, and it is a damned site better than when it was United making us their 'ho's. Bale wanted to go, he was pushing specifically for Real Madrid, we aren't in the CL and we don't have a stadium with a capacity to sustain us at that elevated level of spending/wages that we are aiming for and is associated with regular qualification for CL, and, ultimately, they were offering a windfall amount of cash - probably too good to turn down. Hell, I even read an article with a Portuguese journo today claiming that AVB was actually keen for the move to go through right at the start of the Summer so that he could go ahead with his rebuilding plans. But, I suppose it is easier to blame an agreement that you don't know much about or understand, and claim it is too vague when it is, rather than just accept these facts.

It would be a much more meaningful conversation asking why, when Levy was quick to defend his corner when Liverpool and United misbehaved, but has taken no such action with RM. I don't think it is anything to do with an agreement about coaching and commercial practices. I do suspect it may be something to do with making a deal that from a boardroom angle makes fahooking oodles of sense more palatable to fans with a fans perspective.

Sorry to lay it on thick, but there is no need to get so worked up about this club agreement, it is not the only one we have and, if you think about it, getting information and aid from a network of top teams across the globe, including a Behemoth of a club, might actually be a good idea and Dan Levy just might no what he is doing, eh

 

[jambreck]

How much information do you want, and how much do you think you should get?
I have given you two threads filled with debate and information, have you taken the time to read them? You could also, like, do some research yourself!

On coaching there is a poster who commented that his son is at the academy and he saw for himself a coach from RM teaching tricks he learned directly from Zidane (the tosser).
Do you expect to see balance sheets demonstrating that our profit in a certain direction is up 0.02% thanks to knowledge acquired from RM? No, of course you aren't!

The fact is, Daniel Levy has been very forward in establishing these club partnerships across the globe (not just with RM), and he was more than eager to push a less than willing RM into one. Why do you think he did that? What do you think we should be seeing from it? What do you think we are failing to see from it?

Why do you think RM needed this club agreement to bully us for players - United did it with Carrick and Berbatov without any such agreement! And we have been being bullied out of players for quite a while before Daniel Levy established these club agreements across the globe. As SpurgerKing says, above, as a Barca and Spurs fan with zero love for RM, there is absolutely no need to impute tapping-up and unsettling Bale (or any other player) onto this club agreement. It is just something tangible to wave a stick at, rather than just accepting that that is where we are ATM, and it is a damned site better than when it was United making us their 'ho's. Bale wanted to go, he was pushing specifically for Real Madrid, we aren't in the CL and we don't have a stadium with a capacity to sustain us at that elevated level of spending/wages that we are aiming for and is associated with regular qualification for CL, and, ultimately, they were offering a windfall amount of cash - probably too good to turn down. Hell, I even read an article with a Portuguese journo today claiming that AVB was actually keen for the move to go through right at the start of the Summer so that he could go ahead with his rebuilding plans. But, I suppose it is easier to blame an agreement that you don't know much about or understand, and claim it is too vague when it is, rather than just accept these facts.

It would be a much more meaningful conversation asking why, when Levy was quick to defend his corner when Liverpool and United misbehaved, but has taken no such action with RM. I don't think it is anything to do with an agreement about coaching and commercial practices. I do suspect it may be something to do with making a deal that from a boardroom angle makes fahooking oodles of sense more palatable to fans with a fans perspective.

Sorry to lay it on thick, but there is no need to get so worked up about this club agreement, it is not the only one we have and, if you think about it, getting information and aid from a network of top teams across the globe, including a Behemoth of a club, might actually be a good idea and Dan Levy just might no what he is doing, eh

You seem to be somewhat confused as to how this tangent of the discussion originated.

I find it rather tiresome when people put words into my mouth or ascribe to me opinions or feelings which I have never expressed - especially when they do so in a long winded and risibly condescending manner. Please desist. And, in future, please actually read and fully understand what has been written and thereby save yourself from launching into a misguided non sequitur.

In the interests of clarification, allow me to remind you of the juncture at which I entered the discussion:

annekcm said:

It's funny how so many people complain about this partnership in a way that makes it painstakingly obvious that they simply don't actually know what the partnership involves!

To which, I replied:

No one seems to know what it involves because no one from either club has ever explained it, to my knowledge, and we've had zero evidence of there having been any cooperation at any level between the clubs.

In other words, I wasn't making a commentary of any sort on the nature, usefulness or desirability of our relationship with Real Madrid. I was merely suggesting to annekcm why it might be that so many people have misunderstood what the relationship is all about - namely that there has been no proper explanation or information forthcoming from either club, and that has inevitably led to the creation of a vacuum. The ubiquitous message board.......like nature.......abhors a vacuum and will fill it up with all manner of conspiracy and conjecture.

That is all.

I hope that that is sufficient explanation for you.

 

[spursandbarca]

Been a Barca fan since the days Alexanco, Stoickov, Amor etc. Having lived in Barcelona I Madrid for what they stand for, their history, the galaticos bs etc.

Gutted Bale has joined them.

Don't understand how they meet financial fair play??? 560 million in debt but have bought Bale (85 mil) Illeremendi 34 mil and Isco 35 mil and sold Ozil only..

Barca only could buy Neymar 45 mil( the total of their profit last year).. Rosell has the debt down to under 200 million, has had to put back the renovations of the camp nou etc..

Perez is on the richest men in Spain but didn't think he was allowed to personally bankroll puchases. I was told( in banking industry) that Caja Madrid and Banco Santander would not loan Mandril anymore money....

Their undignified as a club. Look how they are treating Casillas...

 

[beats1]

Been a Barca fan since the days Alexanco, Stoickov, Amor etc. Having lived in Barcelona I Madrid for what they stand for, their history, the galaticos bs etc.

Gutted Bale has joined them.

Don't understand how they meet financial fair play??? 560 million in debt but have bought Bale (85 mil) Illeremendi 34 mil and Isco 35 mil and sold Ozil only..

Barca only could buy Neymar 45 mil( the total of their profit last year).. Rosell has the debt down to under 200 million, has had to put back the renovations of the camp nou etc..

Perez is on the richest men in Spain but didn't think he was allowed to personally bankroll puchases. I was told( in banking industry) that Caja Madrid and Banco Santander would not loan Mandril anymore money....

Their undignified as a club. Look how they are treating Casillas...

Most of their signings are paid in instalments, then apparently they secured a bank loan for the bale transfer with Adidas helping and even one ITK said they are paying us in £21million instalments

 

[matthew.absurdum]

Their undignified as a club. Look how they are treating Casillas...

Although I hate RM, I think playing D. Lopez instead of Casillas is a correct decision in terms of performance. But it is really hard to take for a legend such as Casillas

 

[Spurs1960]

Yes. That's the statement.

But it's very vague. We are none the wiser as to how the clubs are working together or to what extent.

And, as I said, nor have we have seen any evidence of this partnership in action.

Why should you need to see evidence? As I understood it at the time it was centered around youth coaching and an exchange of methods etc, a chance for coaches to perhaps visit and experience alternative coaching styles.

To throw toys out a pram, and I'm not saying you are here, because players want to play for traditionally the number one club in the world, is quite childish.

 

[Spurs1960]

Most of their signings are paid in instalments, then apparently they secured a bank loan for the bale transfer with Adidas helping and even one ITK said they are paying us in £21million instalments

Neymar had signed an agreement to join Barcelona a year earlier and his father had been paid 10 million in advance. Real Madrid were never in the running to buy him according to this article.

http://tottenhamhotspur.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/neymar-sale-santos-got-just-809-million.html

FFP is not about how much in debt you are. Most businesses are in debt, it's how you service the debt.

As long as you can pay your loan installments then you are fine, no different than you with a mortgage being massively in debt.

I chairman can pump money into infastructure so all he has to do is divert the existing money this replaces and use for this for transfers.

The ITK was 21 million was an original offer not what we actually settled on, which we don't know as no party is allowed to reveal it.

All clubs pay for transfers in instalments, Soldado is in instalments for instance, 12m up front I believe and 2 further payments.

 

[jambreck]

Why should you need to see evidence? As I understood it at the time it was centered around youth coaching and an exchange of methods etc, a chance for coaches to perhaps visit and experience alternative coaching styles.

To throw toys out a pram, and I'm not saying you are here, because players want to play for traditionally the number one club in the world, is quite childish.

Please see my reply to StartingPrice a few posts up the page.

The final paragraph will answer your question.

 

[HobbitSpur]

They tap up and poach Modric, they've now done it will Bale and the icing on the cake is they are now likely to cost us a top 4 place by selling Ozil to the scum.

"Partnership"

Here on out, if Levy had anything about him he would threaten to stick players in the reserves until they behave.

Even Lerner at Villa had the balls to do it with Benteke.

Net spend is £1m give or take.

Surely he has something else up his sleeve for this window?

Why is selling Ozil to the Scum going to cost us a top 4 place??

If we do not make top 4, it is not because the Scum have signed Ozil, it is pure & sumply because we were not good enough. End Of.

We should stop worrying what our dirty neighbours do, and concentrate on us.

If we finish 2nd or 3rd, is it going to be a bad season because the Scum finish above us??

They have bought one player, we have started to acquire a Legacy.

COYS!!!

 

[StartingPrice]

1) You seem to be somewhat confused 2) as to how this tangent of the discussion originated.

3) I find it rather tiresome when people put words into my mouth or ascribe to me opinions or feelings which I have never expressed - 4) especially when they do so in a long winded and 5) risibly 6) condescending manner. 7) Please desist. And, 8) in future, please actually read 9) and fully understand what has been written and 10) thereby save yourself from launching into a 11) misguided 12) non sequitur.

13) In the interests of clarification, 14) allow me to remind you of 15) the juncture at which I entered the discussion:

annekcm said:



To which, I replied:



16) In other words, I wasn't making a commentary of any sort on the nature, usefulness or desirability of our relationship with Real Madrid. 17) I was merely suggesting to annekcm why it might be that so many people have misunderstood what the relationship is all about - namely that there has been no proper explanation or information forthcoming from either club, and 18) that has inevitably led to the creation of a vacuum. 19) The ubiquitous message board.......like nature.......abhors a vacuum and will fill it up with all manner of conspiracy and conjecture.

20) That is all.

21) I hope that that is sufficient explanation for you.

1) Not in the least little bit. I am often amused. Sometimes aroused. Frequently perplexed. Hell, I am often enraged (I do have something of a temper - think Sopranos, and not Withnail and I.

2) That would be where you claimed that:
No one knew what it involved? - as per my original response, yes, they do. I have enough of an idea, as do many, it has been discussed on here several times, there have been club announcements on it, there have been many articles, easily accessible, on the Interwebs. I answered that part of your query. You still came back with a rehashed repeat of the same question making me reach the conclusion that despite me taking the time to search threads, read through them to ensure the content I remembered was still there, and posting the links, with one full text announcement, you just hadn't actually bothered to appreciate the time I took to do this, read the threads, or understand that there is a hierarchy of knowledge starting with Daniel Levy and descending, finally, to us. We know that it, basically, the same as our other club partnerships (perhaps if you did some research on them), we know that it involves financial and coaching best practice exchange. We know that we are not going to be given day-by-day accounts or footage of coaching exchanges - why the hell would we? Over-reaching yourself, much!
No one from the club has explained it? - as per my original response, I provided you with a club announcement (there have been others). I answered this query with full cognizance of the wording and apparent purport of the query. You said Yes. That's the statement and then rehashed your objection to be surrounding its vagueness. Well, I'm sorry (or lawdy, lawdy, woe is me), but you, to all intents and purposes claimed there had been no information whatsoever form the club, prompting me to take the time to search and re-read threads to provide that and then you displayed knowledge of it (you just imagine it is too vague for a fan of your pre-eminence, who should be privy to, well, all the workings of the Privy Council). Can you not see how that may be somewhat vexing and colour my subsequent response?
No evidence of cooperation at any level? - I've provided you with that, apocryphal as it may be (parent seeing RM coach teaching skills handed down from Zidane). I then asked just what evidence you seem to believe you should be provided. Myself and plenty of others have understood enough to know that this club agreement is basically the same as the others we have and do not involve a specific agreement to hand our best player over, nor that RM's actions this Summer would require any justification from such agreements.
So, you see, I understood fully, with no confusion whatsoever, just the tangent you had taken the conversation which, believe me, was nowhere near as original of astounding as you seem to think it was, and I answered it fully.

3) There's a remedy for that. You must get very tired, then. I, myself, almost as a continuous process, face accusations that I never criticise Daniel Levy, despite every time this is stated posting up critiques I have made of him and critiques that were original/not the concensus view. That is tiresome and an incorrect inference. Join the tired club

4) You shouldn't feign intellectualism (oozing out of every pore of your response if you can't follow complex arguments and categorise them as long-winded)!

5) Ooooh, big word...had to look that one up

6) As explained in 2, above, perhaps there is an explanation for my condescending manner. Maybe the origins, in general, lie in the number of times the club partnerships have been explained, followed by repeats of the bizarre rantings answered at length. More locally to yourself, in that I took the time to search for threads and post the links, and add the text of a club announcement, followed by your acknowledgment that you were, actually, aware of the announcement, not only making you claim that the club hadn't informed us at all a lie (or an oversight, if I am being kind), and meaning I had wasted a considerable amount of time to kindly provide you with something you already knew. Another alternative is that you were not aware of this announcement, you are just pretending you were. Maybe, also, it stemmed form the fact that you seem to have a bizarre notion that you should have all the information to hand that the club chairman does. Yeah, like said, I have something of a temper and when someone does this I may come across as condescending - probably because I believe it warrants condescension

7) No problem...won't be interacting with you again. Gives me immense pleasure to grant this wish

8) I did - have just provided copious evidence demonstrating that I read both of your posts fully (wish the same could be said in reverse, unfortunately, don't see the evidence)

9) Patience and a placid temperament ain't my strong suit...understanding is

10) Won't happen again

11) My response wasn't misguided, just your faculty for comprehension

12) One person's non sequitor is another person's fair inference. In this instance, the thread is specifically a whinge concerning the club agreement and relating it directly to RM's pursuit of Bale. You were responding to a poster who stated that it was bizarre to link them, by claiming that it is the lack of information that is causing this. I answered that effectively (taking some time and effort to do so). You then showed that you were aware of the announcement (yeah, ta for that) but still demanded more and more and more information on it until you have all the evidence in the World and are the doyen of club partnerships (your elevated view of your own importance is astounding). does it really take that much of a leap of imagination to view you as a petulant little child, taking a negative view of the club partnerships (you hardly seemed to be being positive about them, did you?). I believe it is a fair inference, then, that you are either imputing a causal link between club partnership with RM and the way they tapped-up and unsettled Bale, or justifying the same - but that there is zero evidence of this and plenty enough knowledge of what the club partnerships entail to dismiss this.

13) I didn't need any - see 2 above (thanks for insulting my intelligence, again).

14) Didn't need any reminders (thanks for insulting my intelligence, again).

15) Yes, we've established that, and I comprehended it fully.

16) No, but the fact that you were still worrying it like a bone even though I had provided copious information for you and suggested you did more research, even when a flat club announcement of what the club partnerships entail is enough for plenty of us), and still suggesting that there is sufficient scope to believe that they entailed a gift of Bale clause (especially when there is no reason whatoever for RM to needed that to do what they did) does make the inference that you are nay-saying the club partnership a reasonable one.

17) Oh, were you. See, from here it looks as though you are suggesting that that misunderstanding was a reasonable one when quite clearly, for all the reasons given, it just simply flat isn't, based on the information we have.

18) No, it didn't - plenty of us, based on what we know of the club partnerships and the club announcement, understand fully what is and isn't involved, and also see that there is no need whatsoever for RM to even need a club partnership to do what they did (just as, rather than seeing it as the disaster of all disasters, can see it in the context of being a higher level whoring than being United's 'ho). And if you had paid my original response the respect it was due, for having taken the time to search and post for you, you would be aware of just how often these rantings about club agreements in general, and the one with RM in particular, have arisen - hence the vexation some of us feel at answering the same things over and over again. Instead, you chose to ignore that by shifting the emphasis of your questions, inadvertently revealing a deceit and continuing to attempt to justify the unjustifiable.

19) Yeah...well...er...that's a bit of high sounding cod philosophy. Unfortunately, it is also nonsense. Certain members of the board continue to fill their ire at the possibility, and then reality, of losing Bale with all manner of conspiracy and conjecture because they refuse to read the explanations provided as to how there is plenty enough to not draw the same mistaken causal relationship over and again, especially when it doesn't need to be made at all/of!





20) That is all

21) I hope that is finally sufficient explanation for you

 

[dannythomas]

It all boils down to 7 new quality players coming in with Bale and some fringe players going out. Lamela and Eriksen may well be direct replacements for Modric and Bale at a fraction of the price. It was a calculated move to make us tronger overall while breaking even. Better in my view than buying none of them and keeping a disgruntled star player who we would continue to look to for our only spark of imagination

 

[DubSpurs]

Putting this into perspective, Everton buy McCarthy for £13 mill. What kind of football people do they have at the club. What a shame. The people have to be simply dumb.

Fixed.....exciting