Reasons To Be Upbeat

[THX2208]

1. It's almost Christmas and we're still uneaten in the league.

2.Our young players got invaluable experience from playing in the Champions league.

3. We have one of the best young managers in the world.

League Record

Played: 88
Won: 44
Drawn: 26
Lost: 18

4. Best administration looking after the club.

5. Brand new state of the art training complex.

6. Building of a brand new state of the art stadium.

 

[Strikeb4ck]

While there is much to be positive on the outside - the youth facilities and development, the training complex, the new stadium coming, young players with a large British contingent, a young manager, unbeaten in the league, a financially sensibly run club (up until the Sissoko purchase at least)...

There is one thing that cannot be overlooked. We have regressed in our level of play from last season. You can use your eyes or look at any analytic out there (xG, touches in the box, attacking, defensive, etc). We are WORSE since last season, while every other top side besides Arsenal (who unfortunately are getting some luck in their results this season and thus are also better) are improved. We have fallen behind despite finally making the UCL, and we weren't able to use that nugget to recruit any quality players.

We are playing some really poor football. Again, use the eye test or the data out there. We are lucky to be unbeaten, and the fact that we are drawing so much and getting completely outplayed in Europe is far more indicative of our play than the word "unbeaten".

I can't pinpoint exactly what is wrong, but there is something wrong with our play on the field, despite all the positives outside of it. And it is going to be a very rough season if it continues.

 

[Lighty64]

While there is much to be positive on the outside - the youth facilities and development, the training complex, the new stadium coming, young players with a large British contingent, a young manager, unbeaten in the league, a financially sensibly run club (up until the Sissoko purchase at least)...

There is one thing that cannot be overlooked. We have regressed in our level of play from last season. You can use your eyes or look at any analytic out there (xG, touches in the box, attacking, defensive, etc). We are WORSE since last season, while every other top side besides Arsenal (who unfortunately are getting some luck in their results this season and thus are also better) are improved. We have fallen behind despite finally making the UCL, and we weren't able to use that nugget to recruit any quality players.

We are playing some really poor football. Again, use the eye test or the data out there. We are lucky to be unbeaten, and the fact that we are drawing so much and getting completely outplayed in Europe is far more indicative of our play than the word "unbeaten".

I can't pinpoint exactly what is wrong, but there is something wrong with our play on the field, despite all the positives outside of it. And it is going to be a very rough season if it continues.

Sissoko has started 4 PL so far, won 3 drew 1, ok 30m was ott

yes performance wise we don't seem to be as exciting, do you reckon teams might be playing us in a different way, which makes that harder to perform? definitely a possibility

out of our 12 league games, from what I have seen even though we haven't played so well, only 2 of those games if we had lost, we couldn't of really complained too much, only Everton which we nearly won, and Liverpool which even on another day could of been very different if the ref had given us a pen when Janssen was blocked. ok we snatched a victory this weekend gone, but overall we were the better team, and had we been 3-0 up and lost 2 late goals, the view of many would of been, phew we nearly blew that.

yes we have been crap in the CL, and after 4yrs with all their money City last season finally got out the groups, or at least put in a decent effort. this was a new experience in a comp only a few had ever played in, a manager that has never had to manage in, with a team thats had injuries to the back bone of the team that performed so well last season.

absolutely expecting a meltdown on Saturday evening in this forum

 

[Gaz_Gammon]

1. It's almost Christmas and we're still uneaten in the league.

2.Our young players got invaluable experience from playing in the Champions league.

3. We have one of the best young managers in the world.

League Record

Played: 88
Won: 44
Drawn: 26
Lost: 18

4. Best administration looking after the club.

5. Brand new state of the art training complex.

6. Building of a brand new state of the art stadium.

If memory serves me right, our record of wins over the last twelve to fifteen games is quite piss poor.

 

[ralvy]

Oh God, couldn't you wait a day at least to come up with this type of crap?

Yeah, there are enough reasons why fans should be excited about the club's future, but there are no positives whatsoever to take away from the fact that we fucked up our first CL season in about 6 years. Under Pochetino, we simply suck at Europa... and we should have know that already given how he couldn't give a fuck last season about that exciting draw against Dortmund.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

1. It's almost Christmas and we're still uneaten in the league.

2.Our young players got invaluable experience from playing in the Champions league.

3. We have one of the best young managers in the world.

League Record

Played: 88
Won: 44
Drawn: 26
Lost: 18

4. Best administration looking after the club.

5. Brand new state of the art training complex.

6. Building of a brand new state of the art stadium.

Not knee jerking...but.

1, It's almost Christmas and we have yet to give one really convincing 90 minutes.

2, Harry Winks is really the only young player to have gained any real valuable experience. Others are not young and Harry Kane has played Monaco before.

3, We have a manager who could eventually be really quite good, but not in the same category as Simione, Conte or Pep. He certainly isn't one of the best young manager in the world, simply not true. AVB's record at Spurs was very similar, also had a higher win percentage than Maurice and achieved our highest point total.

4, Administration? Really?

5/6. Training ground and ground should of already been done, we were behind and playing catch up.

 

[Hans Moleman]

Not knee jerking...but.

1, It's almost Christmas and we have yet to give one really convincing 90 minutes.

2, Harry Winks is really the only young player to have gained any real valuable experience. Others are not young and Harry Kane has played Monaco before.

3, We have a manager who could eventually be really quite good, but not in the same category as Simione, Conte or Pep. He certainly isn't one of the best young manager in the world, simply not true. AVB's record at Spurs was very similar, also had a higher win percentage than Maurice and achieved our highest point total.

1. Man City performance wasn't quite good enough to convince you?

2. Yes other players are young, Alli is 20 Dier is 22. Also it's not the opposition they learn from playing against, its the occasion. All our players have experienced or are more experienced in high pressure champions league fixtures, which they will benefit from.

3. Don't compare AVB and Poch, please. The state of the club when each took over was just so far apart it's just idiotic to compare their 'win percentage'. How do you think their win percentages would look if this side had Bale, or if AVB's side didn't have Bale. The improvement of individuals under Poch has been superb, not one player improved under AVB apart from Bale who is the exception because he is a freak and was always destined for the top. How do you think players like Alli, Rose, Kane, Dier, Lamela, Dembele, Walker would be getting on now if we still had AVB in charge? AVB took over a strong club with 3 top class players (Bale, Lloris, VDV) and it was a shambles when he left. Poch picked it up with 1 (Lloris) and now we find ourselves with 4-5 top players and in a very strong position as a club even if we have had a bad couple of months.

 

[Mullers]

1. It's almost Christmas and we're still uneaten in the league.

2.Our young players got invaluable experience from playing in the Champions league.

3. We have one of the best young managers in the world.

League Record

Played: 88
Won: 44
Drawn: 26
Lost: 18

4. Best administration looking after the club.

5. Brand new state of the art training complex.

6. Building of a brand new state of the art stadium.

7. Now we can concentrate on the league.

 

[Spurs72]

I dislike the Negative post's in here, But this is such a positive thread, Seems that by now some people want us to have the Premier League all wrapped up, Harry Kane be on 50 goals etc , the Club is moving forward and I couldn't be more happy about that and OP I am with you man, have we had some bumps along the way ? ah yes we sure have but man Original Thread sums it up.

 

[bat-chain]

Chance to play young players like Onomah, CCV, KWP, Edwards, Harrison and Winks in the Europa games and remaining CL one.

Chance to also bed in Nkoudou, Sissoko and Janssen in similar games.

The opportunity for Pochettino to try new things in a few 'no lose' games.

I'm not daft we all know CL is where we want to be but for where we are in our development 5 or so lesser profile games could work well for us.

Also we now know in our hearts we are not quite good enough for CL yet, now we know this we can take action. Was a brutal performance but all we can do is take the positives and try to rectify the issues.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

1. Man City performance wasn't quite good enough to convince you?

2. Yes other players are young, Alli is 20 Dier is 22. Also it's not the opposition they learn from playing against, its the occasion. All our players have experienced or are more experienced in high pressure champions league fixtures, which they will benefit from.

3. Don't compare AVB and Poch, please. The state of the club when each took over was just so far apart it's just idiotic to compare their 'win percentage'. How do you think their win percentages would look if this side had Bale, or if AVB's side didn't have Bale. The improvement of individuals under Poch has been superb, not one player improved under AVB apart from Bale who is the exception because he is a freak and was always destined for the top. How do you think players like Alli, Rose, Kane, Dier, Lamela, Dembele, Walker would be getting on now if we still had AVB in charge? AVB took over a strong club with 3 top class players (Bale, Lloris, VDV) and it was a shambles when he left. Poch picked it up with 1 (Lloris) and now we find ourselves with 4-5 top players and in a very strong position as a club even if we have had a bad couple of months.

1, No Man City game didn't convince me. It was more off the ball quality than on. We really wasn't that good, it was a very decent efficient plan which worked. It didn't impress me, no not at all. If we didn't get the lucky own goal to kick things off could quite easily have been a 0-0, was actually that kind of game.

2, these were not high pressure games, they were group stages. These are groups not knock out.

3, I think to bring up Andre is very relevant. He didn't inherite a strong club. King, Modric and VDV which were our real world class players all left or retired at the start of his tenure. Lloris was brought in under Andre and was his choice by all accounts. Rose improved drastically under Andre, do you forget that? Poch continued his improvement but Danny was getting MOM performances under Andre. Bale actually publicly credited Andre, do you forget that. If you are saying what would this team be like with Bale? Then consider what Andre's team would of been like with the Kane of Today. Dembele was actually very good in his first Season under Andre. Similar to what he is now, it's the gap in between where Dembele was under par. Andre lost Modric, VDV and King immediately from the team prior which was huge. Also had to rebuild the team with Bale money with choices from the transfer committee. Andre improved many players it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Rose in particular. If we look back on the threads here Andre was praised for improving players.

We were a team that lost its core and spine when he arrived.

Lloris, Walker, Vertongen, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen and Lamela all played regular under Andre, and remember Sandro had his big injury under Andre. Then Bale left.

Andre's team with Bale + Kane of today is much the same as pochs team of today with Bale. Goals wise very similar. We had trouble creating chances under Andre & we certainly have trouble creating chances now.

I'd say that Maurice picked up Tottenham in a better place than when Andre did, hard to fail after the hated and ill fated Tim spell. Andre also played against better opposition as his highest points total meant we were 5th with a higher total than we finished 3rd.

Too many draws was Andre's supporter complaints. Don't create many chances it was said. Players look disinterested it was said. We can't score without Bale it was said. Football style was boring it was said.

All sounds very familiar doesn't it?

Andre got the chop for a similar performance and thrashing that Newcastle gave us at the end of last season. Regardless Andre's record was probably better than Maurice's game for game if we where to take Andre's number to pochs number.

Andre definately had a harder time, if given time and the players he wanted (poch has this Andre didn't) I think there wouldn't be much diference.

The emperor wears new clothes...or does he?

Poch:

Games: 88
Won: 44
Draw: 26
Lost: 18


Andre:

Games: 80
Won: 44
Draw: 20
Lost: 16

 

[bat-chain]

Why do you call him Maurice when that's not his name?

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

Why do you call him Maurice when that's not his name?

Because I like to.

It's his name in English is it not?

 

[bat-chain]

But no Andrew instead of Andre eh funny that.

It's almost as if there is one guy you want to belittle and disrespect and one you don't.

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

1, No Man City game didn't convince me. It was more off the ball quality than on. We really wasn't that good, it was a very decent efficient plan which worked. It didn't impress me, no not at all. If we didn't get the lucky own goal to kick things off could quite easily have been a 0-0, was actually that kind of game.

2, these were not high pressure games, they were group stages. These are groups not knock out.

3, I think to bring up Andre is very relevant. He didn't inherite a strong club. King, Modric and VDV which were our real world class players all left or retired at the start of his tenure. Lloris was brought in under Andre and was his choice by all accounts. Rose improved drastically under Andre, do you forget that? Poch continued his improvement but Danny was getting MOM performances under Andre. Bale actually publicly credited Andre, do you forget that. If you are saying what would this team be like with Bale? Then consider what Andre's team would of been like with the Kane of Today. Dembele was actually very good in his first Season under Andre. Similar to what he is now, it's the gap in between where Dembele was under par. Andre lost Modric, VDV and King immediately from the team prior which was huge. Also had to rebuild the team with Bale money with choices from the transfer committee. Andre improved many players it is ridiculous to suggest otherwise. Rose in particular. If we look back on the threads here Andre was praised for improving players.

We were a team that lost its core and spine when he arrived.

Lloris, Walker, Vertongen, Rose, Dembele, Eriksen and Lamela all played regular under Andre, and remember Sandro had his big injury under Andre. Then Bale left.

Andre's team with Bale + Kane of today is much the same as pochs team of today with Bale. Goals wise very similar. We had trouble creating chances under Andre & we certainly have trouble creating chances now.

I'd say that Maurice picked up Tottenham in a better place than when Andre did, hard to fail after the hated and ill fated Tim spell. Andre also played against better opposition as his highest points total meant we were 5th with a higher total than we finished 3rd.

Too many draws was Andre's supporter complaints. Don't create many chances it was said. Players look disinterested it was said. We can't score without Bale it was said. Football style was boring it was said.

All sounds very familiar doesn't it?

Andre got the chop for a similar performance and thrashing that Newcastle gave us at the end of last season. Regardless Andre's record was probably better than Maurice's game for game if we where to take Andre's number to pochs number.

Andre definately had a harder time, if given time and the players he wanted (poch has this Andre didn't) I think there wouldn't be much diference.

The emperor wears new clothes...or does he?

Poch:

Games: 88
Won: 44
Draw: 26
Lost: 18


Andre:

Games: 80
Won: 44
Draw: 20
Lost: 16

So if Andre drew 6 and lost 2 of the next 8 games after he was sacked, then his and Maurice's records would be the same.

Let's think about that for a moment?

 

[@Bobby__Lucky]

But no Andrew instead of Andre eh funny that.

It's almost as if there is one guy you want to belittle and disrespect and one you don't.

If you don't like what I said fair enough, but look it up, I've called Maurice Maurice since the beginning nothing new...and Andre is well Andre.

I'm just a realist. Andre was by record a higher performing manger for our team than Maurice. The fans and SC belittled Andre, but not me. I haven't belittled Maurice, I've just stated that his record is inferior.

All because I call him Maurice.

 

[bat-chain]

Well OK.

I liked Andre too but I think if we are honest with ourselves players like Dembele, Eriksen, Lloris, Lamela were a few levels up from the signings Pochettino got.

indeed players like Kane and Rose, Bentaleb and Mason that Poch Relied upon and developed in his first season were ones AVB didn't really ever have to use or want to.

I like both men but I think Pochettino has created far more from his raw materials than AVB did.

I honestly believe turning round Rose's career at Spurs, developing Kane into a top level striker, Dier into a international holding midfielder and allowing Alli to develop from a league one prospect to an England regular in one seasonis as close to a miracle as you will see. Not to mention clear improvements in Walker and Lamela.

AVB was magic for Bale but beyond that I don't think he turned water into wine in quite the way Pochettino has to date.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

These things go in circles. We cannot have it where every season is a golden one, fortunes fluctuate. This will be the way of it wether Poch is in charge, Fergie, Pep or whoever. So although i'm not happy with the way things are right now i'm not about to stick my head in the oven either, there's plenty of things to be positive about if you want to see them.

 

[Gbspurs]

Kane, Alderweireld and Lloris

These 3 are our best players and are truly world class. Telling that we haven't played with all of them together for the last few months.

 

[spurs-r-us]

Moussa Sissoko won't be here forever, just a long while

Sorry, doing my best.