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SteveH

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Jul 21, 2003
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Sherwood is definitely not good enough. He's been trying to stamp his authority on the team without realising that he has to earn the right with good tactics and substitutions before he can start screaming and shouting at players who are effectively his peers. Truthfully, he is probably viewed as a 'has been' by the majority of the squad and in no way as a fully fledged manager and yet he is dropping or moving around players like Dembele, Paulinho, Sandro and Eriksen or at best making them accomodate... players like Bentaleb and Lennon. Why? Because we desperately need Bentaleb to play? No. Because Lennon has provided so many goal scoring opportunities. No. Because Tim wants to be seen as the manager who can link the U21s and first team squad more effectively than anyone else.

Bentaleb has done ok, but the fact is he is just ok. Lennon has no end product and any objective manager would quickly notice that. Siggy is about 10mph too slow and is at best a squad player for cups etc. and after starting bravely with 442 and seeing how well it worked (once he used a DM) we have suddenly reverted to 451 and left Soldado on the bench immediately after he finally scored. Madness. Paulinho has been poor and I can't see him getting faster, more agile or suddenly gaining a better first touch, so I'm hoping he is not our long term plan. Chiriches could work out, Chadli is useful back-up or right wing forward and Lamela could yet be really decent. Only Eriksen is really near top quality. Not a good season or summer transfer window. We're lucky Ade has had a change of heart.

We desperately need LVG.

Lets see what he does first...........If he comes at all.
 

bookhouseboy

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Jun 14, 2012
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That Sherwood is cancer to our beloved club is more and more obvious, and he needs to fuck off yesterday.

If LVG's preference for an assistant is available Levy needs to get him in asap an start the preparation for next season, if not just bring in Pleat or the tea-lady to avoid even more player-damage from Sherwood.
 

SargeantMeatCurtains

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The fact that he continues to talk about next season just goes to show how big headed and how far up his own arse this guy is.

It also shows that he is completely in denial about his role in the complete collapse recently. He keeps saying we'll fight until the very end, then starts talking about pre season!

Its also beginning to piss me off about how he keeps banging on that he needs to 'sign his own players' and how he needs to move some players on. I'd prefer it if he kept his mouth shut from now until the end of the season.

Then Levy can do the right thing and replace him with LVG. There will be a job waiting for him at Norwich.
 

nav007_2000

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Sep 28, 2006
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I don't think levy will sack sherwood. He will definitely stay until the end of the season. I would have loved hoddle being given the chance until the end of the season instead of Sherwood.
 

nav007_2000

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Everyone's jumping on Sherwood's back, but remember who put him there.

I've said I'm another thread that levy needs to take responsibilities for his decisions. Yet people are so blind and believe levy is the best thing since slice bread.
 

mrlilywhite

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Sep 1, 2008
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I think getting someone in now to replace him is the only thing we should do. The reason is not because we have any chance of achieving things (cause we don't), More so to stabilise the club and get players onside and playing again. If we want to give LVG or any other manager the best start, then we need to give him a team that has confidence and are willing to fight for their place and not one that is completely lost and dis-interested. I would not be averse to seeing Pleat take the seat, I feel he has the best interests of the club and he certainly knows more about managing teams than Sherwood does.
 

markieboy

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Aug 1, 2013
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I wouldn't risk getting De Boer, he could be like another AVB IMO

We need experience

De Boer is nothing like AVB....................he could actually play football and lives in the REAL world of football..............not in the pseudo intellectual talking bollocks world of football!
 

BelgianBrownie

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Jul 31, 2004
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We should kick Sherwood out now, but as there is no immediate available replacement, stick Freund in charge.

He may not be a better coach (I have no idea), but he will bring passion into the equation
 

eddiebailey

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We should kick Sherwood out now, but as there is no immediate available replacement, stick Freund in charge.

He may not be a better coach (I have no idea), but he will bring passion into the equation

You think Tim lacks passion?! He is fucking nutso!

But sacking him before season end is not an option.
 

Beni

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Mar 3, 2004
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Really? You genuinely believe that?!

Yep, of course he wants us to win because of his future prospects etc but he knows he is gone in the summer, and his digs at the players, board at any given interview opportunity, tell me he doesn't care what he says to distabilise the harmony with all related to Tottenham but none directed to himself.
 

Ionman34

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Jun 1, 2011
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Tim Sherwood's very public and risky attack on his players was more of a message to his chairman
Criticising players in public is a dangerous game and, for managers, it is one that can backfire in the changing world of football



By Michael Owen

9:00PM GMT 14 Mar 2014


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There appears to be an unwritten, golden rule in football that a manager should never publicly criticise his players.

The risks are too great, potentially alienating those whose performances are integral to your own survival and threatening a breakdown in trust between the coaching and playing staff. If a member of the dressing room fancies a bit of back-stabbing, a manager condemning his own side in front of the cameras may be inadvertently prompting the search for a set of knives.

Rarely, if ever, do the greatest managers do this. Arsène Wenger never does it and I cannot recall Sir Alex Ferguson berating his players in the press.

In the dressing room or on the training ground was a different matter, but there was always a feeling that if anything needed to be said, far better to keep it in-house. There are certain boundaries managers do not like to cross.

Often it goes too far the other way. Criticising in public is frowned upon, but some of the most ridiculous post-match press conferences involve managers defending abysmal performances. Finding the right tone after an especially poor display requires a certain amount of dexterity.


It means when a manager does decide to let rip and attack his own players there is a novelty value but you have to ask yourself what it really achieves.

There is no doubt it tends to find a favourable response from supporters.

When Tim Sherwood decided to publicly criticise his Tottenham players following defeat to Chelsea, you can imagine many of the fans standing to applaud as he reflected their own frustration.

It always plays well to the gallery when the players take a pounding, the perception readily accepted by those outside of football that indulged modern footballers do not care enough about their club.

“Give it to them. They deserve it,” is the popular howl.

The response from fellow professionals tends to be rather more cautious because the dangers – both in the long and short term – can outweigh any immediate motivational impact.

It is impossible to generalise but my educated guess is some players will agree with the manager, others will be affronted and others will be determined to work harder to prove him wrong.

A few will not be bothered either way, will just keep their head down and get on with their job. The problem is, if the manager needs allies because results do not improve, those players with long (or short) memories might be inclined to recall whether he stood by them in difficult moments.

That is why, as a weapon of man-management, public criticism of your own employees tends to be a rather blunt one, not just in football but any industry. Everyone prefers to be spoken about favourably, or least criticised in private.

I would suggest the Tottenham players – like any in a dressing room when a manager goes down this route – will take a more objective view on what was going last weekend.

I am not sure Sherwood’s remarks were simply an emotional reaction following a disappointing defeat at Chelsea.

It struck me he thought criticising members of his squad was a gamble worth taking because he does not rate some of the players he inherited and wants to send a message about recruiting replacements this summer. I suspect he was directing comments to his chairman, Daniel Levy, as much as the dressing room and the supporters.

Sherwood obviously wants fresh faces to build the team he wants. The problem for him, and indeed an increasing number of Premier League bosses, is the days when the manager dictated who is bought and sold are increasingly coming to an end.

Nowadays, the manager’s job is to work with what he is given rather than pick and choose the signings.

Tottenham are one of many adopting a more continental approach where the club determine their ‘philosophy’ and recruit the players to fit it.

The clubs want coaches to get the best out of these signings, not what we would call ‘managers’ to dictate to their board what deals get done.

Those embedded in English culture are still trying to come to terms with this. It is almost as if the clubs are recruiting players to fit their profile, but not applying the same to the managers, some of whom are uncomfortable with the idea they are not in charge of recruitment and may have to work with players they do not particularly fancy.

Traditionally, the most important relationship at a football club has not only been that of the manager and his players, but the manager and his chief executive. That is why Sir Alex and David Gill were so effective at Old Trafford.

The new regimes have directors of football or heads of recruitment connecting the manager and his boardroom.

Instead of accepting this new order, what we are seeing are recurring power struggles between managers, directors of football and chief executives.

As the face of the club, the manager is always in a position to curry favour from the supporters and it only needs a public comment about players (whom the manager did not sign) not being good enough for questions to be asked about the way a club is structured. Usually, the supporters will back their manager. The managers know this.

All this can make for a politically toxic atmosphere.

What you have to remember about football clubs is they are more scheming than the corridors of Westminster. Beyond every comment there is a nuance and inference which is often more considered than might appear in the heat of the moment.

At every club there are times when the players do not get on with the manager, or the manager believes his chances of progressing are being damaged by those above him.

Your enemies will jump on any opportunity to undermine you, which is why the majority of managers will not supply any unnecessary ammunition and would rather bite their lip before taking on their own players.
Michael Owen wrote this?

Bloody good article actually.
 

shelfboy68

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I've said I'm another thread that levy needs to take responsibilities for his decisions. Yet people are so blind and believe levy is the best thing since slice bread.

A lot of us wised up to Levy some while ago but you aren't allowed to criticise him on here as most don't see what he does wrong but yes his decision making is awful and in normal corporate circles would see him removed from office but at spurs he us allowed to continue making the same mistakes and no recourse unbelievable
 

Scott Spur

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Aug 9, 2011
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Was wavering over Tim until yesterday......the man hasn't got a bleedin clue.

How can you make substitutions like he did yesterday in that game?? He killed it stone dead on the pitch and in the stands.

No way back for me......season over. Inexcusable naivety.
 
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