Sherwood has gone!

[TorontoYid]

Tim is not the right man for the job. He has NO experience being the man in charge and a Premier League team looking to break into the top 4 is not the place for an inexperienced manager to start their first job as manager.

 

[HobokenSpur]

Tim is not the right man for the job. He has NO experience being the man in charge and a Premier League team looking to break into the top 4 is not the place for an inexperienced manager to start their first job as manager.

TL;DR for the last 450 pages of diatribe

 

[THFCSPURS19]

If Tim is Manager next season I will dress as Chirpy get a ticket for the Emirates in the directors box and sing "Stand up if you hate Arsenal"

In the summer, was it you who said you would eat your own shit if Bale stayed?

Maybe it's time to stop the bets...

 

[jezz]

If Tim is Manager next season I will dress as Chirpy get a ticket for the Emirates in the directors box and sing "Stand up if you hate Arsenal"

Bloody hell your a confident chap.

 

[Grey Fox]

In the summer, was it you who said you would eat your own shit if Bale stayed?

Maybe it's time to stop the bets...

Nah it was A&C's bollock

 

[Grey Fox]

Bloody hell your a confident chap.

 

[ardiles]

Does he speak English?

I think he probably only speaks Algerian.

 

[Jimmypearce7]

I spent last summer checking this site for transfer news and i am now logging on hoping for signs that our second manager of the season will be sacked soon...

 

[StartingPrice]

The positives are?

Knows the club (but apparently only the young/English part of it)
Speaks English (sort of)

That's all I can think of...

Pursues a high line...in fashion accessories

 

[punky]

Well, a small time clothing store team like Benfica certainly made us look like Oxfam a couple of times didn't they?

And what has that got to do with AVB managing a Porto team 4 years ago that included the likes of Falcao, Mourinho and Hulk? Nothing? Thought so.

 

[0-Tibsy-0]

And what has that got to do with AVB managing a Porto team 4 years ago that included the likes of Falcao, Mourinho and Hulk? Nothing? Thought so.

Mourinho? He really is the Special One...

 

[lami]

I'd say AVB is the worst decision Levy has ever made - it also lead to the Sherwood appointment as an after effect

It was then when we were well placed and the right decision had to be made - he made the wrong one even when it seemed obvious it was a poor decision, as a result of AVB we ended up in the position we were in when he made the Sherwood appointment with little options and having to spend the rest of the season with an unsettled squad playing for an inexperienced manager

What I will say is what options did we really have when we appointed Sherwood? it seems the likes of FDB turned the job down and others were likely unavailable until after the WC. We have to make the next manager the right long term manager so we couldn't rush into a bad decision and in the long run having Sherwood in now and upgrading in the summer will hopefully work out for the best in the long run.

When we hired AVB we were a club knocking on the door of the top four and I imagine a desireable prospect for a lot of top managers (throwing pretty big money at them too) and yet we decided to hire a man who had just proven himself incapable at Chelsea - worst decision in Levy's term in my eyes.

Its that decision that has seen us miss out on a golden opportunity and take several steps backwards - indeed it is that decision that lead to us having Sherwood too.

Unless you mean the worst decision was sacking AVB in the first place - in which case I disagree because I think AVB's luck was running out and we'd have been worse off than we are now with a team incapable of scoring and fragile at the back (how long could we rely on penalties to win us points?)

All that matters now is the next man in the hot seat anyway - the season is over and we will likely miss out on even Europa football once Man U over take us so all we have to focus on is the next managerial appoint and this time Levy must get it right.

AVB got us our record points finish and helped develop a £90 million pound player.
He did have his failings but if its true that the players that were brought in, were not the players that he wanted how can he expect to do his job? It would be like giving an electrician a chefs tools!
Sherwood is by far Levy biggest mistake. To put a man in charge with absolutely no experience, its no wonder that he's failing to handle the pressure.
People need to just accept that this season is over and move on. Levy needs to decide if he sees Sherwood as the man he wants to take us forward. If he does we have to accept that its going to be on the job training. He is going to make many more mistakes before he starts making the right ones.
I personally feel that if LVG can be got and Levy failed to sign him up. That would then become Levys biggest mistake. He is world class with a proven track record.

 

[Rob]

Just bin it rob, it's an idiot stick.

Those idiots are getting banned when I'm back at a computer...

 

[Shea]

AVB got us our record points finish and helped develop a £90 million pound player.
He did have his failings but if its true that the players that were brought in, were not the players that he wanted how can he expect to do his job? It would be like giving an electrician a chefs tools!
Sherwood is by far Levy biggest mistake. To put a man in charge with absolutely no experience, its no wonder that he's failing to handle the pressure.
People need to just accept that this season is over and move on. Levy needs to decide if he sees Sherwood as the man he wants to take us forward. If he does we have to accept that its going to be on the job training. He is going to make many more mistakes before he starts making the right ones.
I personally feel that if LVG can be got and Levy failed to sign him up. That would then become Levys biggest mistake. He is world class with a proven track record.

A records points total with a 5th place finish with a team he inherited that had previously finished fourth

He took that team that played such great and exciting football and blunted them and turned them into a turgid and boring outfit that relied heavily on two key players (Bale to score match winning screamers and Lloris to clean up the excessive amount of errors caused by his high line defense)

Once bale was gone and Lloris form was less that his best we were a total shambles because everything else about AVB's team was so very poor.

I think it's quite a stretch to credit him with Bale's development - this kid was no diamond in the rough and he'd been on a steady and rapid rise long before AVB was anywhere near our club (I'm saying Bale is such an exceptional footballer he was always going to become such a star - even had say Sherwood been in charge last year)

Obviously Sherwood is not up to the job and should not be our manager next season - but what were our options at the time of AVB's sacking? I think AVB was done and was rightly sacked as things in my opinion were just going to get worse under him (at least Tim benefited from Ade and the new manager bounce)

I am saying AVB was a bigger mistake than Sherwood because we were in a better position and had more options available to us when Levy decided to take a gamble on him - that's what makes AVB a bigger mistake in my eyes and a more costly one because he undid so much of our good work and took us backwards rapidly (Sherwood came in and took us sideways basically with AVB having already created a mess)

I think everyone accepts this season is over and are already looking at next season - why else would there be so much talk about who our next manager will be?

AVB and Sherwood - neither were good enough and neither should have ever been our manager but for my money the bigger mistake was AVB as had Levy got the managerial appointment right then we could have built on our success and never been in a position where Sherwood could be appointed in the first place.

As for LVG - I am incline to agree and he's the man I want for the job personally - but Finnyid makes some excellent counter arguments about his suitability to illustrate that nothing is a no brainer or risk free in football.

 

[Rout-Ledge]

And what has that got to do with AVB managing a Porto team 4 years ago that included the likes of Falcao, Mourinho and Hulk? Nothing? Thought so.

And who says he didn't have an illustrious playing career...

 

[Shea]

The reason I see AVB as a bigger mistake from Levy than Sherwood is simple -

When AVB was appointed we were in a great position and should have kicked on - he underachieved and took us backwards which undid so much of the good work we'd done under Redknapp

Plus it was done at a time when options were available


Sherwood however came in at a time where AVB had already fucked things up - he just wasn't good enough to turn things around.

The time he was appointed we had no real options as anyone worth signing would not be available until the summer

Personally though I think things would have got worse under AVB and at least Sherwood was able to get Ade in and get the team scoring so we could beat the weaker teams in the league without relying on lucky undeserved penalties


Both were/are out of the depth and not good enough to be our manager but AVB was a bigger mistake because it was more costly and at the time there were more options to choose from

 

[Stoof]

The reason I see AVB as a bigger mistake from Levy than Sherwood is simple ...

Both were/are out of the depth and not good enough to be our manager but AVB was a bigger mistake because it was more costly and at the time there were more options to choose from

See, I don't agree with that at all. I don't think AVB was ever out of his depth. He at least had an idea, a philosophy that he wanted to embed. He was told he had an amount of time to do that - this was no quick fix - it was a proper rebuilding and instilling of a philosophy (akin to what Rodgers has done). Did he get the chance to properly implement his plan/philosophy? Did he bugger.

Sherwood isn't even worthy of the same breath.

 

[steventhfc]

There once was a man named Tim, who had a Nabil stuck up his rim, Levy gave him a job, to earn a few bob, but he f*cked it up being dim.

 

[Shadydan]

The reason I see AVB as a bigger mistake from Levy than Sherwood is simple -

When AVB was appointed we were in a great position and should have kicked on - he underachieved and took us backwards which undid so much of the good work we'd done under Redknapp

Plus it was done at a time when options were available


Sherwood however came in at a time where AVB had already fucked things up - he just wasn't good enough to turn things around.

The time he was appointed we had no real options as anyone worth signing would not be available until the summer

Personally though I think things would have got worse under AVB and at least Sherwood was able to get Ade in and get the team scoring so we could beat the weaker teams in the league without relying on lucky undeserved penalties


Both were/are out of the depth and not good enough to be our manager but AVB was a bigger mistake because it was more costly and at the time there were more options to choose from

He didn't really, we lost our dependable spine that summer, King, Modric, VdV...With the squad we had we finished 2 points from the CL, something that always gets overlooked.

He did well with what he had last season I'll give him that, I know the team was setup to accommodate Bale but he still deserves credit where it's due.

 

[Shea]

See, I don't agree with that at all. I don't think AVB was ever out of his depth. He at least had an idea, a philosophy that he wanted to embed. He was told he had an amount of time to do that - this was no quick fix - it was a proper rebuilding and instilling of a philosophy (akin to what Rodgers has done). Did he get the chance to properly implement his plan/philosophy? Did he bugger.

Sherwood isn't even worthy of the same breath.

What fix did we need? we already had a team capable of top four football when he took over and he slowly but surely took us backwards in my opinion

He should have been building on the success we'd enjoyed not trying to reinvent the wheel

In my opinion he took us backwards even in his first season despite his high finish and points total because that team was already more than capable of a 5th place finish when he took over and he destroyed the attacking play and made them heavily reliant on two star players

Without that star player he totally failed to integrate the new players and rigidly stuck to his system which clearly did not suit the players at his disposal

He was the reason there was no quick fix in the first place because when he arrived we really didn't need fixing

He was out of his depth at Chelsea which was why he was sacked - same with us. I really don't agree that had he been given time he would have turned things around at either club, same arguments could be made for Ramos I suppose (which I also would disagree with)