Sherwood has gone!

[Chris12]

True, but like I said, considering our points per game averages for those last ten games, the previous 28, and the season as a whole were pretty consistent, and given Arsenal's form post-CL exit it's perhaps slightly unfair to say we blew it.

It isn't as big as HR like you've said and comparing it to ppg its not too bad either, but still expect to keep a nice healthy 7 point cushion especially with a few of the remaining games we had

 

[L-man]

Sherwood won at OT, Guardiola didn't

 

[nightgoat]

It isn't as big as HR like you've said and comparing it to ppg its not too bad either, but still expect to keep a nice healthy 7 point cushion especially with a few of the remaining games we had

Yeah, although whilst we expected to beat Fulham we didn't necessarily expect to beat Man City. Even if we'd carried on at the same average of 1.92 ppg for those last ten games we'd still have missed out on 4th on goal difference. Plus we couldn't legislate for things like the officials contriving to give Arsenal three goals in the last five minutes against Norwich. Although actually we've come to expect things like that happening to ensure Arsenal keep their Fourth Place Trophy.

 

[trigger84]

I don't post much so I will make it worthwhile and ramble.

I must admit when Sherwood was put in temporary charge I was uninspired but willing to go with it.

I would of thought the main objective for Sherwood would have been to galvanise the team, blend them together more, create a better understanding and bring back the pride and passion we love.

Finishing the season in this way and with an improvement in performance and results could of led to him getting the job full time.

To be fair to him he managed to get Ade back in the team and playing like a 25 million pound striker and picked up an initial good run of results but ultimately it was just papering over the cracks.

After the initial upturn in fortunes the decision was made that Tim was the man for us (what was it 5 games?).

At this point it would appear that his ego took over.

Since getting the job full time we have been treated to, questionable team selections, snide remarks about our players, public criticism, poor handling of post match interviews, threats about players playing for their futures, publicly stating he couldn't trust players, unprofessional behaviour in the dugout (these are the first things that spring to mind).

For the last couple of months if we are honest the style of football has been getting worse, performances have got worse, interviews have got worse and more importantly the commitment of the players has got worse.

On Sunday all of the above came to a head and we were treated to one of the worst displays of effort and commitment from a Spurs team that I can remember (worse than the game that cost AVB his job).

I think this has all stemmed from his immaturity in the role and as a result the way he has managed the players and the situation has turned out to be about the worst way you could manage it.

The constant criticism and moaning, alongside the silly threats of players playing for their futures and making himself look ridiculous week in week out, why would the players care? To most of them Sherwood is probably a nobody and has treated them publicly with little or no respect.

On Sunday he sat in isolation in the stands while a group of unmotivated players turned up just to tick another game off the list. Sherwood's post match comment of not being able to change things is probably true. If I was one of out players I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to what he has to say.

It must be the right time to pull the trigger and ship him out, even with only 6 games left. The longer he stays the more he has an impact on the players and their willingness to probably stay at the football club. We all want Spurs to play the right way and be successful, we all make plans for next season with players we have and may potentially have but I can't help thinking Sherwood will leave half of the current team wondering if they even want to stay here.

If he stays, with no Champions League and possibly no Europa League we will be relying on a combination of Baldini, Sherwood and our current players to attract anyone new to the club. With Sherwood's current persona and our players apparent disinterest I couldn't think of many worse combinations!

Apologies again for the diatribe but some things you just can't say in 1 paragraph

 

[eddiebailey]

I was going to correct you on the use of 'disinterest', but since they seem complete impartial in the matter of which team wins, you may well be right.

 

[Chris12]

Silvain

 

[SpursDave88]

Yeah, because the first thing AVB did when he got the job was to tell Levy to get rid of that wastrel Modric. Christ on a bike, talk about rewriting history. Modric was gone whoever was manager. I suppose AVB also forced Ledley to retire, deliberately knackered Kaboul for the season, got Rafa's missus a job back in Germany and told Adebayor that as he had a contract he didn't need to bother trying all season?

You have obviously misread my post, please re-read it.

 

[alpha]

I don't post much so I will make it worthwhile and ramble.

I must admit when Sherwood was put in temporary charge I was uninspired but willing to go with it.

I would of thought the main objective for Sherwood would have been to galvanise the team, blend them together more, create a better understanding and bring back the pride and passion we love.

Finishing the season in this way and with an improvement in performance and results could of led to him getting the job full time.

To be fair to him he managed to get Ade back in the team and playing like a 25 million pound striker and picked up an initial good run of results but ultimately it was just papering over the cracks.

After the initial upturn in fortunes the decision was made that Tim was the man for us (what was it 5 games?).

At this point it would appear that his ego took over.

Since getting the job full time we have been treated to, questionable team selections, snide remarks about our players, public criticism, poor handling of post match interviews, threats about players playing for their futures, publicly stating he couldn't trust players, unprofessional behaviour in the dugout (these are the first things that spring to mind).

For the last couple of months if we are honest the style of football has been getting worse, performances have got worse, interviews have got worse and more importantly the commitment of the players has got worse.

On Sunday all of the above came to a head and we were treated to one of the worst displays of effort and commitment from a Spurs team that I can remember (worse than the game that cost AVB his job).

I think this has all stemmed from his immaturity in the role and as a result the way he has managed the players and the situation has turned out to be about the worst way you could manage it.

The constant criticism and moaning, alongside the silly threats of players playing for their futures and making himself look ridiculous week in week out, why would the players care? To most of them Sherwood is probably a nobody and has treated them publicly with little or no respect.

On Sunday he sat in isolation in the stands while a group of unmotivated players turned up just to tick another game off the list. Sherwood's post match comment of not being able to change things is probably true. If I was one of out players I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to what he has to say.

It must be the right time to pull the trigger and ship him out, even with only 6 games left. The longer he stays the more he has an impact on the players and their willingness to probably stay at the football club. We all want Spurs to play the right way and be successful, we all make plans for next season with players we have and may potentially have but I can't help thinking Sherwood will leave half of the current team wondering if they even want to stay here.

If he stays, with no Champions League and possibly no Europa League we will be relying on a combination of Baldini, Sherwood and our current players to attract anyone new to the club. With Sherwood's current persona and our players apparent disinterest I couldn't think of many worse combinations!

Apologies again for the diatribe but some things you just can't say in 1 paragraph

What you've stated here is facts! Only a mad man would say otherwise.

 

[Stoof]

Otherwise!

 

[nightgoat]

You have obviously misread my post, please re-read it.

You are correct. I shall hang my head in shame and redirect the sentiment towards anyone who had suggested what I'd thought you were saying.

 

[eddiebailey]

I don't post much so I will make it worthwhile and ramble.

I must admit when Sherwood was put in temporary charge I was uninspired but willing to go with it.

I would of thought the main objective for Sherwood would have been to galvanise the team, blend them together more, create a better understanding and bring back the pride and passion we love.

Finishing the season in this way and with an improvement in performance and results could of led to him getting the job full time.

To be fair to him he managed to get Ade back in the team and playing like a 25 million pound striker and picked up an initial good run of results but ultimately it was just papering over the cracks.

After the initial upturn in fortunes the decision was made that Tim was the man for us (what was it 5 games?).

At this point it would appear that his ego took over.

Since getting the job full time we have been treated to, questionable team selections, snide remarks about our players, public criticism, poor handling of post match interviews, threats about players playing for their futures, publicly stating he couldn't trust players, unprofessional behaviour in the dugout (these are the first things that spring to mind).

For the last couple of months if we are honest the style of football has been getting worse, performances have got worse, interviews have got worse and more importantly the commitment of the players has got worse.

On Sunday all of the above came to a head and we were treated to one of the worst displays of effort and commitment from a Spurs team that I can remember (worse than the game that cost AVB his job).

I think this has all stemmed from his immaturity in the role and as a result the way he has managed the players and the situation has turned out to be about the worst way you could manage it.

The constant criticism and moaning, alongside the silly threats of players playing for their futures and making himself look ridiculous week in week out, why would the players care? To most of them Sherwood is probably a nobody and has treated them publicly with little or no respect.

On Sunday he sat in isolation in the stands while a group of unmotivated players turned up just to tick another game off the list. Sherwood's post match comment of not being able to change things is probably true. If I was one of out players I wouldn't pay the slightest bit of attention to what he has to say.

It must be the right time to pull the trigger and ship him out, even with only 6 games left. The longer he stays the more he has an impact on the players and their willingness to probably stay at the football club. We all want Spurs to play the right way and be successful, we all make plans for next season with players we have and may potentially have but I can't help thinking Sherwood will leave half of the current team wondering if they even want to stay here.

If he stays, with no Champions League and possibly no Europa League we will be relying on a combination of Baldini, Sherwood and our current players to attract anyone new to the club. With Sherwood's current persona and our players apparent disinterest I couldn't think of many worse combinations!

Apologies again for the diatribe but some things you just can't say in 1 paragraph

Your post is refreshingly measured after the juvenile 'Dim Shitwood' spam that has made this forum all but unreadable - I have put so many posters on ignore that the board now reads as though FinnYid is arguing with the voices in his head - and there may be some truth to what you say, but you are extrapolating beyond the actual evidence.

The principle reason for our recent downturn has not been Tim's inflated ego, it has been the quality of the opposition. We have had a run of very difficult matches (and in a couple of those, not much luck with refereeing decisions). Has Tim handled himself well in the media? Not particularly. Is this reflective of issues off the pitch that have affected the outcome of games? Most probably not.

Frankly none of us has much idea what goes on behind the scenes. You are making assumptions about Tim's methods based on your perception of him and projecting your views of him onto the players.

This has lead you to a perverse conclusion. There is no evidence that morale, or indeed performance, has deteriorated since Tim took over, and no reason to think it would improve if at this stage he left. Indeed the contrary is more likely to be true, since I am sure at least some of the players do like him, and would consider him hard done by.

Sacking a second manager in the season with six matches to go would make our board look both clueless and spineless, and do more to unsettle players and deter potential managerial targets than any over-analysed comment from Tim or lacklustre end of season performance on the pitch.

 

[nightgoat]

I have put so many posters on ignore that the board now reads as though FinnYid is arguing with the voices in his head

I haven't put anyone on ignore but I get exactly the same impression.

 

[yankspurs]

Your post is refreshingly measured after the juvenile 'Dim Shitwood' spam that has made this forum all but unreadable - I have put so many posters on ignore that the board now reads as though FinnYid is arguing with the voices in his head - and there may be some truth to what you say, but you are extrapolating beyond the actual evidence.

The principle reason for our recent downturn has not been Tim's inflated ego, it has been the quality of the opposition. We have had a run of very difficult matches (and in a couple of those, not much luck with refereeing decisions). Has Tim handled himself well in the media? Not particularly. Is this reflective of issues off the pitch that have affected the outcome of games? Most probably not.

Frankly none of us has much idea what goes on behind the scenes. You are making assumptions about Tim's methods based on your perception of him and projecting your views of him onto the players.

This has lead you to a perverse conclusion. There is no evidence that morale, or indeed performance, has deteriorated since Tim took over, and no reason to think it would improve if at this stage he left. Indeed the contrary is more likely to be true, since I am sure at least some of the players do like him, and would consider him hard done by.

Sacking a second manager in the season with six matches to go would make our board look both clueless and spineless, and do more to unsettle players and deter potential managerial targets than any over-analysed comment from Tim or lacklustre end of season performance on the pitch.

You point out something that is very important. The recent tough opposition. This highlights Sherwood's ineptitude. We have a good squad. You need to set up well against tougher opposition. Setting up means tactics, team sheet, etc. Sherwood does not have any tactics, and rarely puts out a squad that can win or pick up anything against quality competition.

Sherwood publicly berates the players and is not pitchside with the squad either. He was even called out on it by the players post Liverpool according to ITK which lead to the spat where it was rumored punches were thrown. We see a pissed off Vertonghen game in and game out and we've heard from Lloris and Paulinho about maybe leaving. Knowing this, are you really trying to tell me that morale has not deteriorated within the squad? Oh and not even worth going into detail dispelling the performance not deteriorating bit. Because it has. We have not played remotely well except for maybe 2 games under Sherwood.

The club's front office cannot look anymore inept at this point, so sacking Sherwood right now really wouldnt change anything there.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Thought we would be at 500 pages by now. Come on you useless lot your not showing enough passion!

 

[Dr Know]

You point out something that is very important. The recent tough opposition. This highlights Sherwood's ineptitude. We have a good squad. You need to set up well against tougher opposition. Setting up means tactics, team sheet, etc. Sherwood does not have any tactics, and rarely puts out a squad that can win or pick up anything against quality competition.

Sherwood publicly berates the players and is not pitchside with the squad either. He was even called out on it by the players post Liverpool according to ITK which lead to the spat where it was rumored punches were thrown. We see a pissed off Vertonghen game in and game out and we've heard from Lloris and Paulinho about maybe leaving. Knowing this, are you really trying to tell me that morale has not deteriorated within the squad? Oh and not even worth going into detail dispelling the performance not deteriorating bit. Because it has. We have not played remotely well except for maybe 2 games under Sherwood.

The club's front office cannot look anymore inept at this point, so sacking Sherwood right now really wouldnt change anything there.

He can't hear you mate, he's got you on ignore

 

[cosmund]

Thought we would be at 500 pages by now. Come on you useless lot your not showing enough passion!

oh, pleaaseee don't uppercut (nor drop kick ) us!!

 

[$hoguN]

Currently we look totally deflated and there for the taking in every match. We start every game at a snail's pace and keep making individual errors and worst of all our good players look like they are disinterested.

Even if we sacked Sherwood and got into a very public spat with him, we couldn't look anymore amateur. Thanks to the back scene arguing that plagued the AVB regime and the mess that Tim Sherwood has created we now need to rebuild. Personally I would sooner we clear the decks in terms of the coaching staff and actually let a care taker the next manager is willing to work with see out the rest of the season to make the next managers job easier. As sacking a British manager and then appointing someone is just going to get us unnecessary attention.

 

[Booney]

Your post is refreshingly measured after the juvenile 'Dim Shitwood' spam that has made this forum all but unreadable - I have put so many posters on ignore that the board now reads as though FinnYid is arguing with the voices in his head - and there may be some truth to what you say, but you are extrapolating beyond the actual evidence.

The principle reason for our recent downturn has not been Tim's inflated ego, it has been the quality of the opposition. We have had a run of very difficult matches (and in a couple of those, not much luck with refereeing decisions). Has Tim handled himself well in the media? Not particularly. Is this reflective of issues off the pitch that have affected the outcome of games? Most probably not.

Frankly none of us has much idea what goes on behind the scenes. You are making assumptions about Tim's methods based on your perception of him and projecting your views of him onto the players.

This has lead you to a perverse conclusion. There is no evidence that morale, or indeed performance, has deteriorated since Tim took over, and no reason to think it would improve if at this stage he left. Indeed the contrary is more likely to be true, since I am sure at least some of the players do like him, and would consider him hard done by.

Sacking a second manager in the season with six matches to go would make our board look both clueless and spineless, and do more to unsettle players and deter potential managerial targets than any over-analysed comment from Tim or lacklustre end of season performance on the pitch.

Have been puzzling as to why you defend Sherwood so vehemently and then I read your sig and understood....

With Tim there's plenty of despair around and not so much as a glimmer of hope.

 

[trigger84]

Your post is refreshingly measured after the juvenile 'Dim Shitwood' spam that has made this forum all but unreadable - I have put so many posters on ignore that the board now reads as though FinnYid is arguing with the voices in his head - and there may be some truth to what you say, but you are extrapolating beyond the actual evidence.

The principle reason for our recent downturn has not been Tim's inflated ego, it has been the quality of the opposition. We have had a run of very difficult matches (and in a couple of those, not much luck with refereeing decisions). Has Tim handled himself well in the media? Not particularly. Is this reflective of issues off the pitch that have affected the outcome of games? Most probably not.

Frankly none of us has much idea what goes on behind the scenes. You are making assumptions about Tim's methods based on your perception of him and projecting your views of him onto the players.

This has lead you to a perverse conclusion. There is no evidence that morale, or indeed performance, has deteriorated since Tim took over, and no reason to think it would improve if at this stage he left. Indeed the contrary is more likely to be true, since I am sure at least some of the players do like him, and would consider him hard done by.

Sacking a second manager in the season with six matches to go would make our board look both clueless and spineless, and do more to unsettle players and deter potential managerial targets than any over-analysed comment from Tim or lacklustre end of season performance on the pitch.

Poor results against quality teams are to be expected occasionally, the fact that we have been well and truly beaten without so much as a whimper is the most frustrating thing.

The majority of the players have the ability (not Bentaleb) but completely lack in application and desire.

I see this as Sherwood's main task, apply the players and create the desire but from everything we see he is doing the complete opposite.

 

[Spurs 1961]

Surely even the most ardent defender of this most overrated of squads can see pretty much every player's mind is on the beach or Brazil? Not saying it's right, in fact it's a disgrace, but it's the way it is. Levy has allowed the impression that Sherwood is merely a stopgap to develop by not making a simple statement to say he WILL be in charge next season. Club is an absolute mess.

Sorry I don't see that. In fact a lot of players are frustrated because the mis-management of the club is ruining their chances of showing what they can do to their national managers. Many players will be wanting to finish the season well to make their World Cup squads.