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Sherwood interview?

Was it the right thing to do?

  • Yes

    Votes: 142 59.4%
  • No

    Votes: 47 19.7%
  • What's it matter anyway, he is gone soon.

    Votes: 50 20.9%

  • Total voters
    239

Revan1882

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There is a lot of debate all over the place on this interview, so I thought it would be a good idea bring it all to one place. Now we have all seen it if any one hasn't here it is....



Now I for one think him kicking the player up the arse is a good thing, but some of what he has said it very bad for the team as a whole. You can't attack a player personally and that is what he does. No he doesn't name the players but that's not the point, saying you can't count on some is an insult.

There were ways of saying thing without insulting a players character, for me him saying he can't count on some of the players is the worst part. Yeah he can say we won't be getting 4th if we can't beat the teams in the top four, that's fine. Yeah he can say that the team was disappointing and gave up after the pen, which we would all agree on. However he has made it public that he doesn't really believe in some of the players that played against Chelsea.

Lloris did nothing wrong for me, he was left high and dry. He shouts at all the defence so I am not sure if TS was going for him, if so I would be shocked.

Dawson is captain and his comments about others should be having a go/pop at there teammates might be directed at him, however I have seen him shout a lot and seems not to mind if he swears at all of them. Not backing him performances of late though, just in case anyone wants to say he played bad as he didn't play well.

Kaboul seemed off his game all the way through and seemed to find it hard running, whether he is fully fit I am not sure. He gave away the pen, but I don't think it was a pen for me. Howeverhe wasn't on the pitch when the shit hit the fan.

Jan, slipped and tried to kick the ball away just made it worse. He did run up and down the wing all day, he also yells a lot. I do think he gave up on the third goal, if you see him in the back ground for me he could make a challenge but knows there is little point. For me this guy is class and I would want him at the club for a long time, but if this was about him his pride would be damaged by this.

Naughton, not good in anyway. But he is one of TS young players I bet he thinks he can count on him.

Walker, fucked up hugely but I would never say he wasn't a trier. He didn't have a good game and if TS is saying he can't count on him due to one performance I think the guy has lost it.

Lennon went missing nearly all game and could understand if he meant that about Lennon in the big games, however he was playing in an odd position for him. He does give a lot to the team, no not deadly crosses but he does run most days, tracking back.

Sandro, I am saying nothing as he gives everything all the time....Beast.

Bentelek, so me was awful all game. But TS seems to have faith in him so this can't be about him.

Sigg, not good not good at all but I don't think he was at fault for anything.

Ade, seriously puts the work in everytime.

So who out of them can't be counted on in TS eyes, yes they didn't play well but his comments would mean he would want them out of the club. Who?

Sorry for me some of what TS said was fine, but other stuff wasn't what I want for a Head coach. Yes say they were bad, say they were shit even but seriously does anyone think this is good for our players or something that might keep his job. I don't even mind the comment about us making top four its the attack on the players that I hate as I am sure that the players do care, yes they let us down but I don't think they did it on purpose.
 

Lufti

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Jan 3, 2013
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What's the benefit of saying what he did publicly? He just tells the fans what they want to hear
 

Actonspur_FromCOYS

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Is it ever a good idea to call some of the players cowards in public?

I don't know but it certainly doesn't seem like the most intelligent thing to me.

Isn't the generally accepted rule of management that you always defend the players in public but can tell them if things are unacceptable in private?

I just don't know
 

cabinfever

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Apologies, I posted similar. Could someone delete, please.
 

Revan1882

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What's the benefit of saying what he did publicly? He just tells the fans what they want to hear
I agree I think it will do more harm than good, if he wanted to have a good just say they all let the fans down its the "Some" that I don't like as it makes it clear that he blames some not all and for me its a team game, all weren't good enough.
 

Revan1882

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Emotion runs high in football, especially after getting dicked by an enemy.
I have nothing against him having a go/pop at the team as a whole, but like I have said he doesn't he goes after some players. For me I would like to know who, as I have posted above I am not sure who the some are.
 

Revan1882

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Jun 5, 2013
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Is it ever a good idea to call some of the players cowards in public?

I don't know but it certainly doesn't seem like the most intelligent thing to me.

Isn't the generally accepted rule of management that you always defend the players in public but can tell them if things are unacceptable in private?

I just don't know
I think thats the rule, but even if you go public the whole team take the blame ie We were disappointing, We let the fans down, We need to show more Character.
 

Archibald&Crooks

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Can't see how it'll do more harm than good. We're not finishing 4th and Sherwood is gone at the end of the season and things are pretty shit all round as it is. All that's left is the EL and we're not winning that anyway or people don't give a shit about it, depending on your point of view.

Not sure how what he said can actually make it worse.
 

Revan1882

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Should we crash out against Benfica, I feel this is just the tip of the iceberg.
Not sure what he can say that would do more damage other than "Ade is a fluky git" not something I think but I have no idea what TS is thinking.
 

paulcumpstone

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I have no issues with his comments, these players get paid thousand upon thousands each week, least they can do is run their socks off from the 1st to last minute in games. far too many times this season have we just chucked the towel in and ambled about, hence the drummings. I do however think Sherwood comments at the end point aimed at the board/chairman about "wakeup" makes me think he knows hes gone.
 

EastLondonYid

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I think his 'rant' was born out of the realisation that the players had just put the final nail in his coffin regards to him keeping his job next season.

Personally he looked desperate and sad, but if he can't get a team to play for him,the shirt,fans etc...then he should look at himself and ask can he really manage men like he promised, at this level.

This is all the fruit of DL work, and thats why we have ended up in a situation of having an average team with an average manager after spending 100m.
 

Revan1882

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Jun 5, 2013
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Can't see how it'll do more harm than good. We're not finishing 4th and Sherwood is gone at the end of the season and things are pretty shit all round as it is. All that's left is the EL and we're not winning that anyway or people don't give a shit about it, depending on your point of view.

Not sure how what he said can actually make it worse.
I think "Some" might wanna leave, when they hadn't or might of stayed. Also how will TS ever get a job again if he publicly does that to players?
 

double0

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To hell with the slogan ' oh his lost the dressing room' it needed to be said publicly. Now I won't recommend that being done all the time, but for sure Sherwood needed to shine the light on the players. I've been saying it for a while now, our players need to take much more responsibility, they've been spoilt with a state of the art training facilities a good support group, decent money, a cultural club, they talk the talk about wanting CL football but when you look carefully at our performances on the pitch both under different management and coaching style it just doesn't add up look at the results the beatings we've taken. The players mentally in games just gave up. Forget fighting for the CLUB you sense some players are selfishly protecting their interest...that being said players will do that but its not as if we're paying peanuts to them give us something back....thats all we want.... Why against any decent team do we hide and typically get an embarrassment.
 
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Revan1882

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Jun 5, 2013
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I have no issues with his comments, these players get paid thousand upon thousands each week, least they can do is run their socks off from the 1st to last minute in games. far too many times this season have we just chucked the towel in and ambled about, hence the drummings. I do however think Sherwood comments at the end point aimed at the board/chairman about "wakeup" makes me think he knows hes gone.
Fair point
 

shelfboy68

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Should we crash out against Benfica, I feel this is just the tip of the iceberg.

Unless we get a result against Benfica then we have really have nothing left to play for as we have seen fit to make sure we are out of the top four
 

Revan1882

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To hell with the slogan ' oh his lost the dressing room' it needed to be said publicly, now I won't recommend that being done all the time but for sure Sherwood needed to shine the light on the players. I've been saying it for a while now our players need to take much more responsibility they've been spoilt with state of the art training facilities a good support group they talk the talk about wanting CL but then you look carefully at our performance both under different management coaching style the result the beatings we've taken the players mentally in games just gave up. Forget fighting for the CLUB you sense some players are selfishly protecting their interest...that being said players will do that but it not as if we're paying peanuts to them give us something back....thats all we want.... Why against any decent team do we hide and typically get an embarrassment.
I have no issue with him saying it is embarrassing or saying we played shit or gave up and should of done better for the fans, its the singling out in public that he does that I hate.
 

mattstev2000

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He looked defeated and out of his depth. The players clearly aren't listening to him so its not going to do us any good and he looked like a manager who can't handle a crisis so he hasn't done his future job prospects much good.

Bad choice on his part, probably made with his heart rather than his head.
 

browndchl

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In my opinion TS had every right to say what he did. You could see how hurt and disappointed he was with the result and performance. He showed his passion to want to succeed as our manager.

These guys are paid a fortune to play football. If they are not going to give the effort and right attitude then they need to be told in no uncertain terms that it is unacceptable. Thursday we might find out who these comments were directed at, as I'm sure those guilty will find themselves dropped.
 
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