Shoddy transfer business

[Donki]

i see nothing wrong with a member being allowed to vent their frustrations on a spurs chat forum. there's no compulsion to read it.

Why not vent on one of the threads that is already discussing it?

 

[Donki]

But none of this was the issue.
Rabbi thinks we should have made signing before now...and it is shoddy that we haven't. I think that is a ludicrous opinion, because the TW is nowhere near closed and it implies that it would be better to buy some mediocre players early than to try for some audacious deals even it it means not getting the deals done as early as some fans on an Internet forum would like.

But, just to indulge you:
Several posters have intimated several times that, by nature of their opinions, that they think it is rather easy to make signings, and all would be well if Levy would just break the wage structure, just sell our dead wood cheaply or give them away for free, and just look at realistic targets.

I agree that we are of a certain stature...but that is just the problem. We are not quite in the top band and we can't offer CL football this season, so we will either have to settle for strikers who probably won't take us that much further (if we were honest - and ignoring the hyperbole that they couldn't do worse than our current lot), or really perservere, and run the risk of ending up with compromises anyway, if we go for higher level players that will take us forward. In essence, we are inbetween a rock and a hard place.

But we have identified young and up and coming strikers - we have signed two young ones, and (allelgedly) a deal is in place for a slighter older option in Leandro. Levy has invested a lot of time, effort and money in developing our youth set up, but it is impossibe for that to be retrospective. We pretty much need a top level striker at the peak of his powers (say 27 - 28) to come in NOW...we can't go back to when one was 15 and induct him into a youth set-up we were only in the process of devising when levy first took charge. it is that simple. It is nothing to do with a failure in the youth set-up or scouting network in the last couple of years.

Why no one sees this is beyond me well said. We are after a top striker who demands a premium price and a high wage, it is difficult to do this right unless you are a club like Man U or can offer a wage like City. :bang:

 

[3Dnata]

Why not vent on one of the threads that is already discussing it?

I sure a real Mod and not the PCSO thread police would have merged it into one of the many other threads you say are on the subject if that were the case.
If somebody expresses an opinion on a fans forum is that really such a problem for you?

 

[StartingPrice]

I sure a real Mod and not the PCSO thread police would have merged it into one of the many other threads you say are on the subject if that were the case.
If somebody expresses an opinion on a fans forum is that really such a problem for you?

Elvis Presley lives...that's my opinion:hump:

 

[Spurs Man]

Here's what I think:

1. The better the team the harder it is to find players who are better than what you already have.

2. We're not rich and we want to comply the FFP rules, we haven't the cash to spunk on super-star wages.

3. Harry Redknapp's a lazy fucker. He doesn't and never has had the will to do the hard miles an the extra work a top manager does (SAF is first in the door at Carrington every morning at 6am). He also believes a lot in gut instinct, he's openly admitted he's superstitious and he makes no bones about the fact he believes the only way to be successful his to match the spending of those clubs above us. This means he's unwilling to the hard-graft identifying less well known players takes.

4. Harry Redknapp is in it for himself. He won't care if we have an average season as long as he can blame someone else for it. He wants the England job. That's it. If he can make out he's done as well as he could in difficult circumstances then he's happy. In some ways not getting players in is an easier excuse to the press than having the players and trying to win something. Especially if those players we might get in are not the super-stars. In that situation he would not be able to say he hasn't been backed, but he still wouldn't be sure they'd improve the side's chances.



What we need is a manager who believes he can have success with us despite our budget. Who wants to be here for the long-term and who will build a team with that in mind. We need someone who works hard, pays attention to detail and can identify players from lesser leagues and not be afraid to bring them in. We need someone who doesn't get in the excuses first. And we need someone who will work with his boss not against him.

All that said, we're not in a terrible position, we retain most of the team which the season before last was taking the likes of Chelsea to the cleaners, our strikers though terrible last year, can play much better, especially Defoe. Sandro is a season on and looks a real prospect. VdV has had a pre-season behind him and better prepared for the way the game's played in England. Last but not least, I'm certain we will get a striker in and if it's someone of the calibre of Adebayour then we've every chance of doing well this year.

Yes good stuff . Its not in Harry's interest to spend
big on players because he'll run the risk of the team not performing . If this happens he won't have the ready excuse of lack of good new players .

The man needs cast iron excuses in case the team does poorly . The reverse of this coin is that (intake of breath) maybe we don't sign anybody....then we play well...Bingo its the genius of Harry that triumphed over the odds triffic ...give him the national job !

Watching him blatantly working events in pursuit of his England ambitions....is not pretty .

Crazy situation... last paragraph from Sloth , very true .

:hump::clap:

 

[3Dnata]

Elvis Presley lives...that's my opinion:hump:

Is he any good in a 4-5-1 or has it got to be 4-4-2.
Who ate all the burgers?
I hear what you say about improving our squad and I don't want to go other old arguments but the time we've spent on bad targets like Carroll and Fabiano before him shows that there's something wrong in how we identify targets.

 

[Donki]

I sure a real Mod and not the PCSO thread police would have merged it into one of the many other threads you say are on the subject if that were the case.
If somebody expresses an opinion on a fans forum is that really such a problem for you?

No lol its not a problem at all, but if its my opinion that another thread like this is boring I surely have the right to say so? I am not trying to be a mod or police the site, its really not a big deal.

 

[StartingPrice]

Is he any good in a 4-5-1 or has it got to be 4-4-2.
Who ate all the burgers?
I hear what you say about improving our squad and I don't want to go other old arguments but the time we've spent on bad targets like Carroll and Fabiano before him shows that there's something wrong in how we identify targets.

I'm more interested in The King's peanut fried butter sandwiches mg:mg:mg:

I can only repeat, in my calmer moments, that I understand and share the frustration - it would have been great if we had had all of our business done in the first month of the TW. But that is just, really, trying to impose over-simplified models of order onto a highly complex and fluid system.

 

[3Dnata]

Peanut! ITK at last.

 

[riversmonkey]

The postponement against Everton also hasn't been a bad thing. It's given us potentially more time to sign players, before our league campaign starts. This whole thread becomes redudant if we bring someone in during the week.

 

[JimmyG2]

The postponement against Everton also hasn't been a bad thing. It's given us potentially more time to sign players, before our league campaign starts. This whole thread becomes redudant if we bring someone in during the week.

Depends who it is.
If he's over 40 or under 18 he doesn't count.

Unless we get a rich benefactor, break our wage structure
or find something down the back of the sofa
we are going to find it difficult to keep up
unless the financial rules work better than I think they will.

Let's accept that we are second tier for a while
until we get a stadium that will double our revenue on match days,
which is several years away.
Buy to sell on, cash in on Modric and Bale
and start again.

In the meantime we have a decent squad
which but for a poor run in
would have made CL for the second year running.

Blood some youngsters, enjoy some good football
and stop behaving as if we had a right to be top tier. It's not only about the money.

 

[Rabbi_Krustofski]

I like reading comments about how long it takes to complete a deal. Why haven't Newcastle had this trouble? Or Liverpool?
I think, as mention at the start, we've wasted time chasing players that won't come.
If we end up loaning a striker, which is likely if Adebayor joins, it's not a good sign of progression. A temp fix.
As for selling the dead wood, seriously, they are good players and could slot into any team below top 6. Looking at those potentially leaving, it's disappointing that players of their calibre haven't been worked on and developed. Redknapp and his team must be under question with signing Bassong and Krankjaer then wanting rid when they hardly featured.

 

[StartingPrice]

I like reading comments about how long it takes to complete a deal. Why haven't Newcastle had this trouble? Or Liverpool?
I think, as mention at the start, we've wasted time chasing players that won't come.
If we end up loaning a striker, which is likely if Adebayor joins, it's not a good sign of progression. A temp fix.
As for selling the dead wood, seriously, they are good players and could slot into any team below top 6. Looking at those potentially leaving, it's disappointing that players of their calibre haven't been worked on and developed. Redknapp and his team must be under question with signing Bassong and Krankjaer then wanting rid when they hardly featured.

We are in a different situation to Newcastle and looking at a different type of player.
We are at a different situation to liverpool and looking at a different type of player.
We haven't wasted time chasing players who won't come...we have spent a lot of time chasing players who would genuinely improve us, who it is difficult to persuade to come, and may not come.
Signing Adebayor on loan would be an excellent deal - he is exactly what we need, but we wouldn't have to shell out for a player who would want to leave straight away if we don't get CL. If we do, we have a striker we know can perform with us and at that level, lined up and ready to sign.

Disappointing that dead wood not gone...but incredibly stupid of anyone to expect Levy to not try and get as much for them as possible. They are assets and you don't succeed by giving your assets away.

Bottom line, STILL: call the transfer policy disastrous if (IF) we haven't improved our squad by Spetember 1st!

 

[Jay The Yid]

We are in a unique position in the premier league and this is the problem.

When we were a mid table side. (Pretty much from 92 to 05) it was relatively straight forward to improve on what we had, there was a very big turnover in players during this time.

Our much criticised strike force for example would of pleased the majority of spurs fans in the period I have mentioned above. You only have to go back a few years to realise apart from the odd player we were woeful.

These days its very different to improve on what we have got means splashing out massive money and wages for a top striker. Yet we dont pay big wages and we are not in the CL, so would they come? (Last season was the time we could of done it, but thats another issue)

The other problem we have is that the players that we want to offload are all on big wages and the kind of clubs that would be interested in them do not pay the wages we do. So its a bit of a role reversal to our sitiuation when trying to improve our squad.

I mean would you change jobs in the same role for half the money? No. Nor would I.

and here lies the problem. We are a bit in Limbo because the way the PL has this hierachy from the richest to the poorest.

We are the 6th richest club in the League, and guess where we are likely to finsih? Yep 6th.

I dont know the answer to change it? probably to get taken over by some oil baron or seeing the likes of Abramovic and the Sheikh leave the game and the CL to be abandoned. Neither sadly will hapen.

 

[SpurSince57]

Rabbi Krustofski believes that we are ruled by shape-shifting purple reptiles, that the populations of China and Japan are human-alien hybrids, and, most alarmingly, that David Icke is a serious investigative journalist.

I rather think comment is superfluous.

 

[NEVILLEB]

I'm more interested in The King's peanut fried butter sandwiches mg:mg:mg:

I can only repeat, in my calmer moments, that I understand and share the frustration - it would have been great if we had had all of our business done in the first month of the TW. But that is just, really, trying to impose over-simplified models of order onto a highly complex and fluid system.

Our transfers are no more or less complicated than those done at every other club in the world. No excuses.

Some people on here are unable to criticise Levy no matter what he does. Nobody is perfect.

With your eternally optimistic views you remind me of a certain black knight!

http://youtu.be/2eMkth8FWno

 

[double0]

we're in no major rush to buy players ...striker apart maybe. Even if the club decides to hold court in the transfer window we still have a squad strong enough to challenge for cl football imo.

whats important though is to sell players. we have to think about the clubs finances first and foremost we don't have disposable oil money like city or chelsea....we have to many players surplus to requirements on top wages ie keane hutton bentley.

 

[StartingPrice]

Our transfers are no more or less complicated than those done at every other club in the world. No excuses.

Some people on here are unable to criticise Levy no matter what he does. Nobody is perfect.

With your eternally optimistic views you remind me of a certain black knight!

http://youtu.be/2eMkth8FWno

Our transfers at this moment in time are more complex than some other clubs - the reasons for this have been explained in great detail by many different posters. If you want to maintain they aren't do so.

You say excuses, I say explanations.

I am able to criticise Levy, I have done so several times. I have done so when it wasn't popular to do so.

I don't have eternally optimistic views. For the best part of two decades I had deeply pessimistic views abourt this club. If my views seem perma-optimistic maybe it is because I see a hell of a lot to feel genuinely optimistic about. And, wow, look, my optiisim would seem to be well placed, as we have performed better in the EPL in 4 of the last 5 years, and qualified for the CL for the first time, and performed admirably in it. From my perspective, you and the pessimist crew seem to be obdurately miserable in the face of the evidence.

And here, apparently, you are having a go out me (not in a horrible way, I'm sure:grin, for daring to not accept that with 3 weeks of the TW to go, it is somehow okay to state as definitive that the TW has been a disaster:roll:

 

[DFF]

I reserve my right to say this Transfer Window has been a disaster, so far.

Suck on that, SP.

 

[brett.spurs]

Stop trying to shove your happy pills down everyone's throats SP. If we were to sell Sandro, Bale, Modric and VDV to meet the 25 man squad restriction you'd still try and claim it as a positive.