Shoddy transfer business

[NEVILLEB]

Mate as TSH says if your only point is that it's better to get your business done early then fucking hell, talk about stating the bleedin' obvious!

Jesus you guys are thick

Buy Early

+'s

- Secure Targets
- Give squad time to gel on and off pitch
- Give manager time to introduce formations and tactics
- Reassure Sponsors and Season ticket holders of future success
- Attract better players impressed with you ambitions
- Impress rest of squad
- Start season prepared!

-'s

- May pay higher transfer fee if player isn't set on coming to you


Buy Late

+'s

- Might get a bargain if the selling club are desperate


-'s

- It's a gamble that often doesn't come off leaving you with a hole in your squad and a lack of balance in your team. Perfect example was summer we sold Berbatov (conveniently forgotten by some goldfish on this forum)
- Squad become unsettled and question ambitions of club
- Manager has no time to work out how to set up his squad. Sometimes the player hasn't been planned and doesn't actually fit the formation of the team (e.g VDV)
- Player lives out of hotel for opening months of season and struggles to settle
- Start season with a splutter as players get to know each other. Valuable early points can be dropped while the team finds it's shape.

So in short it a big, big advantage to buy early. The only real advantage to buying late is that you can squeeze some £ out of clubs desperate to sell.

Risking missing your targets and falling away from the top 4, as happened last season, can be disastrous. We found ourselves in the relegation zone because of Levy's brinkmanship.

Why did I have to write all this? Surely you know it already?

 

[talkshowhost86]

Why did I have to write all this? Surely you know it already?

Okay...are you ready for this Nev...are you...I'm genuinely only going to say this one more time...ready?....sure?....okay here we go....

WE ALL KNOW IT IS BETTER TO BUY PLAYERS EARLY RATHER THAN LATE

Okay...now we've got that out of the way let's move on to what we were ACTUALLY trying to point out. The point that you have oh so briefly touched on in your last post.

It isn't always easy to get players in early. Right? There are many reasons for this:

1. Selling clubs haven't always decided if they are happy to sell. To convince them to do so can take alot of extra money. See 20m for Henderson, 16m for Phil Jones etc etc.

2. Players don't necessarily want to move early. They will want to take time to go on holiday and make their decisions. They will also want to wait for as many offers as possible to come in. It simply isn't in their interests to make a knee-jerk decision.

3. Agents involvement means that transfers don't always happen quickly. They may try and talk their client into other deals or try and push their own cut of the deal up.

4. We have a wage cap. So simply 'wanting' players early doesn't mean we can just 'get' players early. This isn't a point and click exercise.

5. There are other clubs who are interested in players. Again, just because we 'want' a player it doesn't mean we get that player. We could have bid early for Aguero but that wouldn't have meant we'd have got him.

I could go on but I'm genuinely bored of making this point over and over again. Please god understand that we ALL FUCKING AGREE that getting in players early is preferable. The point is...and this is the key...that we can't always get what is preferable.

Sheesh.

 

[Stavrogin]

I don't understand this thread.

Has it turned into a skit?

 

[NEVILLEB]

Okay...are you ready for this Nev...are you...I'm genuinely only going to say this one more time...ready?....sure?....okay here we go....

WE ALL KNOW IT IS BETTER TO BUY PLAYERS EARLY RATHER THAN LATE

Okay...now we've got that out of the way let's move on to what we were ACTUALLY trying to point out. The point that you have oh so briefly touched on in your last post.

It isn't always easy to get players in early. Right? There are many reasons for this:

1. Selling clubs haven't always decided if they are happy to sell. To convince them to do so can take alot of extra money. See 20m for Henderson, 16m for Phil Jones etc etc.

2. Players don't necessarily want to move early. They will want to take time to go on holiday and make their decisions. They will also want to wait for as many offers as possible to come in. It simply isn't in their interests to make a knee-jerk decision.

3. Agents involvement means that transfers don't always happen quickly. They may try and talk their client into other deals or try and push their own cut of the deal up.

4. We have a wage cap. So simply 'wanting' players early doesn't mean we can just 'get' players early. This isn't a point and click exercise.

5. There are other clubs who are interested in players. Again, just because we 'want' a player it doesn't mean we get that player. We could have bid early for Aguero but that wouldn't have meant we'd have got him.

I could go on but I'm genuinely bored of making this point over and over again. Please god understand that we ALL FUCKING AGREE that getting in players early is preferable. The point is...and this is the key...that we can't always get what is preferable.

Sheesh.

Then please do everyone a favour and stop posting

You are having an argument with yourself because I really don't care what your opinion is on this and have no interest on changing it.

I reposted to defend the opening poster who was being mocked by someone who didn't understand the thread.

DONE

 

[sloth]

Jesus you guys are thick

Buy Early

+'s

- Secure Targets
- Give squad time to gel on and off pitch
- Give manager time to introduce formations and tactics
- Reassure Sponsors and Season ticket holders of future success
- Attract better players impressed with you ambitions
- Impress rest of squad
- Start season prepared!

-'s

- May pay higher transfer fee if player isn't set on coming to you


Buy Late

+'s

- Might get a bargain if the selling club are desperate


-'s

- It's a gamble that often doesn't come off leaving you with a hole in your squad and a lack of balance in your team. Perfect example was summer we sold Berbatov (conveniently forgotten by some goldfish on this forum)
- Squad become unsettled and question ambitions of club
- Manager has no time to work out how to set up his squad. Sometimes the player hasn't been planned and doesn't actually fit the formation of the team (e.g VDV)
- Player lives out of hotel for opening months of season and struggles to settle
- Start season with a splutter as players get to know each other. Valuable early points can be dropped while the team finds it's shape.

So in short it a big, big advantage to buy early. The only real advantage to buying late is that you can squeeze some £ out of clubs desperate to sell.

Risking missing your targets and falling away from the top 4, as happened last season, can be disastrous. We found ourselves in the relegation zone because of Levy's brinkmanship.

Why did I have to write all this? Surely you know it already?

:rofl:

I think we've hit upon the strange case of the man who can write but can't read!

Anyway, at least your entertaining Nev :up:

 

[NEVILLEB]

:rofl:

I think we've hit upon the strange case of the man who can write but can't read!

Anyway, at least your entertaining Nev :up:

All of the reasons you've both posted face ALL clubs.

We did deadline deals when we were at the bottom, middle and top of the table. It's the way Levy does his business.

Neither of you have addressed the Berbatov fiasco...why am I not surprised

Stop making excuses

 

[sloth]

All of the reasons you've both posted face ALL clubs.

We did deadline deals when we were at the bottom, middle and top of the table. It's the way Levy does his business.

Neither of you have addressed the Berbatov fiasco...why am I not surprised

Stop making excuses

You can read!!! Which means you've just been ignoring me... I'm hurt Nev, I'm hurt I tell you.

But anyway, getting over that, I think you'll find what I posted specifically pointed out that the same issues don't face all clubs. Or was it just that bit you couldn't read?

 

[NEVILLEB]

You can read!!! Which means you've just been ignoring me... I'm hurt Nev, I'm hurt I tell you.

But anyway, getting over that, I think you'll find what I posted specifically pointed out that the same issues don't face all clubs. Or was it just that bit you couldn't read?

You're ignoring the fact that we've always attempted deadline deals even when we were bottom of the table.

It can't ALWAYS be harder for us than every other club in the world?

Please explain the merit's of selling your star striker at midnight on deadline day having got no one in to replace him? The striker you lined up got tired of being pissed about and signed for someone else.

That strategy could have relegated the club! How much would that have cost us?

How much money have we lost out on by not getting a striker and missing the champions league this year? Potentially £27 million by last years standards! That's 27 million pounds! And you are lecturing me about saving money!

Think what you want mate...Really

 

[NEVILLEB]

About your essays

"I didn't have time to write a short letter, so I wrote a long one instead."
— Mark Twain

 

[mill]

:rofl:

I think we've hit upon the strange case of the man who can write but can't read!

Anyway, at least your entertaining Nev :up:

Well you two should team up then, between you both you'd have all bases covered

 

[sloth]

Well you two should team up then, between you both you'd have all bases covered

Boom, boom :razz:

 

[sloth]

You're ignoring the fact that we've always attempted deadline deals even when we were bottom of the table.

It can't ALWAYS be harder for us than every other club in the world?

Please explain the merit's of selling your star striker at midnight on deadline day having got no one in to replace him? The striker you lined up got tired of being pissed about and signed for someone else.

That strategy could have relegated the club! How much would that have cost us?

How much money have we lost out on by not getting a striker and missing the champions league this year? Potentially £27 million by last years standards! That's 27 million pounds! And you are lecturing me about saving money!

Think what you want mate...Really

Mate, you've brains, how about working things out for yourself once in a while. Why do you think we didn't sell Berbatov to the last day of the window?

 

[SpurSince57]

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[NEVILLEB]

Mate, you've brains, how about working things out for yourself once in a while. Why do you think we didn't sell Berbatov to the last day of the window?

It was still a mistake Sloth. For the sake of about £5M we could have been relegated.

If we had already got his replacement it would have been great business. But the deal was done so late we didn't have time to spend the money.

You've got brains, surely you can work that out?

Doesn't matter though. Levy seems to have learned his lesson.

TELEGRAPH

Nevertheless, Redknapp warned that if Chelsea did want to pursue a deal — having had bids of £22 million and £27 million rejected — they cannot wait until the final day of the transfer window.

“The chairman won’t do that. They did that with Berbatov and ended up with no strikers, so the chairman won’t do that again.

 

[sloth]

It was still a mistake Sloth. For the sake of about £5M we could have been relegated.

If we had already got his replacement it would have been great business. But the deal was done so late we didn't have time to spend the money.

You've got brains, surely you can work that out?

Doesn't matter though. Levy seems to have learned his lesson.

TELEGRAPH

Nevertheless, Redknapp warned that if Chelsea did want to pursue a deal — having had bids of £22 million and £27 million rejected — they cannot wait until the final day of the transfer window.

“The chairman won’t do that. They did that with Berbatov and ended up with no strikers, so the chairman won’t do that again.

We should have got Milito in when we had the chance, on that I totally agree with you.

I think you underestimate what an invidious position Berbatov and SAF had put the club in though. SAF had spoken openly about forcing us to sell and that the later the window went on the more we played into Utd's hands and the lower the fee would become.

We would have, at any time, sold for £28m or even close to that amount. Utd had offered £22m. Though it hurt us that season, I do believe it put a marker down to Utd who had already happily got to Carrick and now targeted Berbatov, that it's too expensive to target our players if we don't want to sell.

Short-term we were harmed (and I agree with you, errors were made), but medium and longer term their were benefits beyond the extraordinary fee we got from them.

Where I disagree with you is your shallow assumption that Levy chooses to wait until the last minute because he gets off in some way on making last minute deals. I run a business in which prices aren't fixed, but its all about negotiating value. It means we win some and lose some in the short term but in the long term we're hopefully very succesful. I think for most people, in our culture, they're so used to purchasing products which have a fixed price-tag that they really come across as not understanding the issues when they discuss buying stuff where a price has to be negotiated.

From my perspective Levy is the absolute best in the business, I can see it because I run a business which survives on precisely his kind of skill-set. It does my head in therefore, when people who clearly have no experience and no knowledge of what he's doing or the value he brings to the club, hold forth with ill-though out, sometimes plain ignorant theories.

Not that they're not entitled to their opinions of course.

[/essay] :razz:

 

[SpurSince57]

The belief was that Milito was Plan B if Pav fell through (and remember that not only did Spartak want to hang on to Pav for their CL qualifier against Kiev, Pav was openly telling the Russian press he wasn't keen on the move). The fact that Milito went to Genoa after the very late deal for Pav suggests this belief may have been dead right.

 

[NEVILLEB]

The belief was that Milito was Plan B if Pav fell through (and remember that not only did Spartak want to hang on to Pav for their CL qualifier against Kiev, Pav was openly telling the Russian press he wasn't keen on the move). The fact that Milito went to Genoa after the very late deal for Pav suggests this belief may have been dead right.

When Comolli said the following who do you think he was referring to? I was told it was Milito but might be wrong.

“I am particularly disappointed we were unable to make one additional signing – another experienced striker. The deal was agreed but fell through in the final moments due to agent activity."

 

[SpurSince57]

Word was it was Sergio Garcia, but we were definitely interested in Podolski, too (which would have really cheered everyone up).

 

[NEVILLEB]

Word was it was Sergio Garcia, but we were definitely interested in Podolski, too (which would have really cheered everyone up).

Cheers

 

[Rabbi_Krustofski]

This is a joke now. No transfers STILL!
Not even a new Spurs shirt for us to buy in the shop to preoccupy us.