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tototoner

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Virgin Media chief executive says Yes , agree ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/fo...-on-TV-says-Virgin-Media-chief-executive.html

All Saturday 3pm Premier League kick-offs should be shown live on television with a “regional blackout” for local fans, the chief executive of Virgin Media has argued.

Tom Mockridge proposed the move as part of a campaign to get every top-flight match shown in the UK, something which saw the company lodge a formal complaint with Ofcom just over a year ago

That prompted Ofcom to launch an investigation last November into how the Premier League sells its broadcast rights, a probe that is ongoing and may not conclude for another 12 months.

Virgin argue the current arrangement, which sees only 41 per cent of matches shown live, are in breach of competition law and have contributed to the spiralling cost-per-game for broadcasters.

The last two UK television deals have witnessed 70 per cent surges in the amount paid by Sky Sports and BT Sport, with the latest contract worth a staggering £5.136 billion.

Some of that increase has been passed on to consumers, including customers of Virgin, which shows both of its rivals’ channels.

Mockridge claimed all matches being made available would reduce the cost-per-game for both Virgin and all armchair fans, warning that doing nothing risked another 70 per cent increase in two years’ time.

There has been a blackout on Saturday 3pm kick-offs being shown live since the 1960s amid fears broadcasting top-flight games at that time would adversely impact on attendances, particularly in lower leagues.

Mockridge suggested amending that to a “regional blackout”, which would prevent Saturday 3pm Manchester United games being shown in the Greater Manchester area and Arsenal fixtures being shown in London.

“We have the technology,” he said, pointing out the National Football League employs a similar system in the United States.

Mockridge branded the current arrangements as “an analogue deal in a digital age” and “a bit nanny state”, arguing consumers should have the choice whether to attend games or watch them on TV.

He rubbished suggestions that would lead to an epidemic of empty seats, claiming the extra money would allow clubs to reduce ticket prices.

“The single biggest impact on attendance is the ticket price,” he said.

Mockridge also argued any drop in attendances at Football League clubs could be offset by bigger solidarity payments from the Premier League.
 

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Why the blackout at all? Seeing football live is different to watching it on TV, it's more of an experience.

Given the choice I can't imagine many people would opt to watch on tv and not go to games.

The biggest question that needs to be asked to clubs is why aren't ticket prices coming down to be more accessible? Record £5bn tv deals and all its enabling is the average club to go and spend more money on average footballers from the continent.

The clubs don't need to fear TV, but make the prospect of attending a match more appealing/realistic.
 
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LeSoupeKitchen

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Blackout's a bad idea. Correct me if I'm wrong but in Aus they show aussie rules live if the match is sold out and if it's not they don't (at least was the case in WA). It seemed fair to me.

Thay said - maybe showing every prem game live might be the catalyst for more reasonably priced tickets. Also might stop the Stubhub ***** a bit.
 

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Why the blackout at all? Seeing football live is different to watching it on TV, it's more of an experience.

Given the choice I can't imagine many people would opt to watch on tv and not go to games.

The biggest question that needs to be asked to clubs is why aren't ticket prices coming down to be more accessible? Record £5bn tv deals and all its enabling is the average club to go and spend more money on average footballers from the continent.

The clubs don't need to fear TV, but make the prospect of attending a match more appealing/realistic.

I think this is true of the Premier League certainly.

I think there may be issues with lower down the leagues, where they really do need to be careful of doing anything that would reduce crowd numbers, but I don't see how making Premier League matches available would have a negative impact on clubs in any way at all.

Mind you I equally don't believe this Virgin bloke's view that making all the games available would help with pricing. It'll just be more games available for them to sell at huge prices.
 

Gbspurs

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I think this is true of the Premier League certainly.

I think there may be issues with lower down the leagues, where they really do need to be careful of doing anything that would reduce crowd numbers, but I don't see how making Premier League matches available would have a negative impact on clubs in any way at all.

Mind you I equally don't believe this Virgin bloke's view that making all the games available would help with pricing. It'll just be more games available for them to sell at huge prices.

It might help them with the pricing. More games mean the stupid bidding wars for coverage wouldn't be so severe. I doubt this would get passed onto the fans though.
 

Gb160

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Of course it should happen , it's ridiculous that it hasn't happened already.
We're in a situation where a JCL American can legally pay for and watch EVERY Spurs PL match, yet as a lifelong fan and ST holder, I'm supposed to miss the away matches and settle for five minutes biased coverage on the end of MOTD ?
It's bullshit, that's what it is.
 

nailsy

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Why don't they just move all Premier league games to a different day or time and keep 3PM on a Saturday free for the lower league teams. All the Premier league teams are used to playing on a Sunday anyway - especially the ones that are in European competition regularly.
 

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Why don't they just move all Premier league games to a different day or time and keep 3PM on a Saturday free for the lower league teams. All the Premier league teams are used to playing on a Sunday anyway - especially the ones that are in European competition regularly.

There's 10 Premier League games every weekend so should be easy enough to spread those across Saturday/Sunday/Monday without encroaching on 3pm kickoffs, and allowing every game to be shown.

Saturday - 12pm
Saturday - 4pm
Saturday - 6pm
Saturday - 8pm
Sunday - 12pm
Sunday - 2pm
Sunday - 4pm
Sunday - 6pm
Monday - 8pm

I mean yes that would fuck up fans up and down the country, and yes there is still one game missing that might have to be played at midnight at some point.

But fuck them...this is tv we're talking about! :)
 

nailsy

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There's 10 Premier League games every weekend so should be easy enough to spread those across Saturday/Sunday/Monday without encroaching on 3pm kickoffs, and allowing every game to be shown.

Saturday - 12pm
Saturday - 4pm
Saturday - 6pm
Saturday - 8pm
Sunday - 12pm
Sunday - 2pm
Sunday - 4pm
Sunday - 6pm
Monday - 8pm

I mean yes that would fuck up fans up and down the country, and yes there is still one game missing that might have to be played at midnight at some point.

But fuck them...this is tv we're talking about! :)

The fans get messed around enough as it is now. I meant just moving all the Saturday 3PM premier league games to Sunday at 12 (for example) so that football fans have a set day for watching the games. Still have the odd game on a Saturday at 12.15, or 5.30pm, or Monday at 8pm as you do now, but try to keep the majority of games on the same day each week.Hopefully that might free up a few more people to go to lower league games as well. It'll never happen though.
 

talkshowhost86

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Genuinely though, I agree with @nailsy that we could simply
The fans get messed around enough as it is now. I meant just moving all the Saturday 3PM premier league games to Sunday at 12 (for example) so that football fans have a set day for watching the games. Still have the odd game on a Saturday at 12.15, or 5.30pm, or Monday at 8pm as you do now, but try to keep the majority of games on the same day each week.Hopefully that might free up a few more people to go to lower league games as well. It'll never happen though.

Yeah I was just kidding obviously.

I actually quite like your idea of having the Premier League play on a different day/time to the rest of the league.

As you say you could keep the current approach of having games that are not at 3pm on Saturday:

1pm - Saturday
5.30pm - Saturday
12pm - Sunday
2pm - Sunday
4pm - Sunday
8pm - Monday

And then the other four games could be played at whatever time really, as long as it isn't encroaching on the 3-5pm slot on Saturday.

It'll never happen though because people are tied to the 3pm kickoff and will complain if that sacred time is moved as the standard time for games.
 

mightyspur

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I still don't understand why clubs don't get together with broadcasters and sell TV season tickets / packages. I know I would purchase one and it still wouldn't stop me going to WHL the few times I am able to over the season.

That way the club is happy because they make money from TV season tickets, that could sell 100,000s, which would enable them to lower actual ticket prices for the fans that do go. Just seems logical to me.
 

Gb160

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I still don't understand why clubs don't get together with broadcasters and sell TV season tickets / packages. I know I would purchase one and it still wouldn't stop me going to WHL the few times I am able to over the season.
From a selfish post of view, i want to watch every spurs match, but if this season ticket TV package was to take off, the clubs with bigger fanbases would make a hell of a lot more than the other clubs.
The way the TV money is split currently is what keeps the PL so competitive and entertaining.
 

mike_l

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Why don't they just move all Premier league games to a different day or time and keep 3PM on a Saturday free for the lower league teams. All the Premier league teams are used to playing on a Sunday anyway - especially the ones that are in European competition regularly.

Surely the point isn't that fans of other clubs would stay home and watch the PL games rather than go see the club they support, more that fans of say West Brom would not bother going to see them in person when they could stay home and watch them on TV?

If so I really don't see the problem, on a positive note it may force clubs to make tickets more reasonably priced, which would be offset I'd imagine by yet more TV money they'd receive. Were I in a position where I could go see Spurs in person every week or stay at home and watch on TV, I'd be there in person no doubt about it.
 

mike_l

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And being realistic, you can always manage to watch a game even at 1500 Saturday online if you really want, making a legal way of doing so surely wouldn't affect attendances as much as is suggested?
 

hellava_tough

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An interesting discussion and probably only a matter of time before it happens; there's too much money to be made for it not to!

It'd be a good idea for online/TV viewers to subsidise match goers, so prices are lower across the board.

I would worry, however, that they'd be a lot of empty stadiums from March onwards among the mid-table teams. Many fans might not bother turning up, if there's nothing to play for and they can watch the game on TV. I suppose this is where the 'local blackout' comes into effect. Although, good luck policing that on the internet in this day and age!! There are so many ways to get around it.

As for lower league clubs, will they get the next generation of young, local, fans to support their teams? Or will youngsters, who spend much of their time in a virtual, online world of social media and formum sites anyway, prefer to follow a top-club whose games are online, from their 10th or 11th birthday?

It feeds into the disposable culture really; when everything is always readily available, you start to care less about the ubiquitous product. Music is an example of this. Compare the excitement and dedication of music fans in the 60s, 70s and 80s to fans now, who have grown up with 24/7 free music on demand, wherever they are geographically.

Would the same happen to the next generation of football fans?
 

hellava_tough

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And being realistic, you can always manage to watch a game even at 1500 Saturday online if you really want, making a legal way of doing so surely wouldn't affect attendances as much as is suggested?

Not sure about that. It's all about mindset, really.

If I wanted to, you're right, I could find the games online every Saturday. But it's not always straight-forward and the quality varies, etc. So I don't get into the mindset of regularly trying to find the games.

But if there was a professional and legal online package, which tied into the 4G and future 5G network, it was top quality and I could also watch the matches an hour, two hours, 3 days, after kick-off, then I'm sure my mindset would change.

Marketing professionals have written volumes on this stuff.

Scumbags... :)
 

tototoner

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I still don't understand why clubs don't get together with broadcasters and sell TV season tickets / packages. I know I would purchase one and it still wouldn't stop me going to WHL the few times I am able to over the season.

That way the club is happy because they make money from TV season tickets, that could sell 100,000s, which would enable them to lower actual ticket prices for the fans that do go. Just seems logical to me.
I used to think this but I now think it will just make the richer clubs richer as they can negotiate the best deal for themselves while currently the Premier League negotiates on behalf of everyone
 

mightyspur

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From a selfish post of view, i want to watch every spurs match, but if this season ticket TV package was to take off, the clubs with bigger fanbases would make a hell of a lot more than the other clubs.
The way the TV money is split currently is what keeps the PL so competitive and entertaining.

I used to think this but I now think it will just make the richer clubs richer as they can negotiate the best deal for themselves while currently the Premier League negotiates on behalf of everyone

They could still negotiate a league wide price for showing all of their games and then leave the clubs to decide their pricing for each ticket. Although ultimately it is just supply and demand though right? I'm sure the bigger clubs could also have some system where after x number of tickets sold a percentage of that is filtered down to the clubs who sell less than that or something. It's more than doable.
 

nailsy

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Surely the point isn't that fans of other clubs would stay home and watch the PL games rather than go see the club they support, more that fans of say West Brom would not bother going to see them in person when they could stay home and watch them on TV?

If so I really don't see the problem, on a positive note it may force clubs to make tickets more reasonably priced, which would be offset I'd imagine by yet more TV money they'd receive. Were I in a position where I could go see Spurs in person every week or stay at home and watch on TV, I'd be there in person no doubt about it.

Well the original article says differently, "There has been a blackout on Saturday 3pm kick-offs being shown live since the 1960s amid fears broadcasting top-flight games at that time would adversely impact on attendances, particularly in lower leagues."

Broadcasting the 3pm games probably wouldn't affect the current adult fans that go to lower league matches, but it could stop the young kids from wanting to go to matches if there was a clash with a match featuring their favourite Premier League club - which could have long term consequences for the futures of these clubs if the next generation of fans stop going to games.
 
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