So The Board Were RIGHT

[Flatters]

The board have contributed this problem big time.

They have treated the manager as if he was already in the relegation zone after three games. This has clearly effected the team and manager and they have played with the pressure of a team clearly with no confidence from above or alot of fans.

Jol has got the team exactly where the board didn't want them, but I put a large blame of that on the board.

Our board acted disgracefully. And once they made their bed they have to lie in it. Whats the point in having a manager that knows he will be sacked?

:hello:

Do we even know for sure what exactly the board did yet? If anything at all? Or is this all still purely based on the newspaper speculation?

 

[Gilzeanking]

All speculation of course , but firing Jol in the summer after Berbs got us another 5th just wasn't on . C'mon BE SENSIBLE it wasn't an option

It looks like they simply saw early that the same problems were there this season as last ( but now Berbs wasn't scoring/creating more than our defence conceded) . there was no sudden dip in form after Ramosgate .

Also it a possibility they have a better awareness of how things are going behind the scenes than posters on here ...

...I'm just not sure they deserved the almighty public kicking and trashing on here dished out to them .

 

[yiddotilidie]

All speculation of course , but firing Jol in the summer after Berbs got us another 5th just wasn't on . C'mon BE SENSIBLE it wasn't an option

It looks like they simply saw early that the same problems were there this season as last ( but now Berbs wasn't scoring/creating more than our defence conceded) . there was no sudden dip in form after Ramosgate .

Also it a possibility they have a better awareness of how things are going behind the scenes than posters on here ...

...I'm just not sure they deserved the almighty public kicking and trashing on here dished out to them .

They did that to themselves by meeting in a public hotel after just 2 games.

 

[idlepete]

The board have created a squad with no leadership in midfield and none in defense. Hard to build a team around nothing.

I'm in total agreement with this.

 

[muffwah]

They saw there had been no improvement 3 games into the season...

...and they went in search of a top manager before it all went pear shaped.( its gone pear shaped )

Their reward ..a public humiliation on the mainstream media and an almighty trashing from many a deluded sentimentalist here .

Happy with our posts re the Board are we ?

Stoof should be here to defend Jol any moment.....

 

[Gilzeanking]

Stoof should be here to defend Jol any moment.....

No he won't....that would mean this is a Jol thread and so would have to be moved..

...but I've got my hard hat on just in case :grin:

 

[Adam456]

compare that to the fat dutch gits mistakes. Just last night there were two. Bringing on TT instead of AL .to show how scared we were of Toon,and then when he does come on the genius plays him on the LEFT.
For Fucks sake fat man have some pride and resign right now before you drive us even further into the mire.

I happen to agree that the substitutions were ridiculous and not for the first time as we all know but.....

....shame on you for using such language about Jol. I think his time has come but he's been one of the most gracious and polite managers the English game has ever seen. He doesn't deserve that.

And Nidgeous - you quoted this guy and failed to pick him up on it. Shame on you too

 

[truespur]

Yep its still speculation. What i find funny is people saying that the board have caused this, yet we were playing exactly the same way as we are now in the opening 3 games before anybody even thought about getting on a plane to Sevilla.

Whats to say we wouldnt be playing like this even if the Jol situation hadnt happened?

:clap:

 

[bugsdad]

I happen to agree that the substitutions were ridiculous and not for the first time as we all know but.....

....shame on you for using such language about Jol. I think his time has come but he's been one of the most gracious and polite managers the English game has ever seen. He doesn't deserve that.

And Nidgeous - you quoted this guy and failed to pick him up on it. Shame on you too

I admit the language was strong but with my limited education ( no university left school at 16) it was the best way I could express my deep hurt.
I am prepared to admit that he is a lovely man and would love to have him as a brother or pal. I just don't want him to be our manager as he is just not competent,and is dragging our club down into perilous depths.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Terry Venables.

Oh, great! A game of 'complete the sentence'. I'll start:

is a total tosser, completely out of touch of reality and a disgusting liability that has driven team after team to new depths of crapness and club after club to financial depths that Nick Leeson would be proud of.

 

[bugsdad]

Oh, great! A game of 'complete the sentence'. I'll start:

is a total tosser, completely out of touch of reality and a disgusting liability that has driven team after team to new depths of crapness and club after club to financial depths that Nick Leeson would be proud of.

Well said sir!

 

[nidge]

Couldnt agree more about the board screwing up Jols replacement a major cock up that should have been settled in the summer.What I am saying is that Jols shortcomings on the field justify their actions,imagine the outcry on this board if they had got rid of him in the summer!As for the ground lets wait until December when Levy has promised to reveal all before slagging them off on this issue.

Surely the board could see Jols shortcomings before the first 2 games of the season and if they couldn't then they have even more to answer for.

My problem is they have been promising action on the ground for the last 7 years and still nothing, maybe its me but, 7 years seems a long time.

All speculation of course , but firing Jol in the summer after Berbs got us another 5th just wasn't on . C'mon BE SENSIBLE it wasn't an option

It looks like they simply saw early that the same problems were there this season as last ( but now Berbs wasn't scoring/creating more than our defence conceded) . there was no sudden dip in form after Ramosgate .

Also it a possibility they have a better awareness of how things are going behind the scenes than posters on here ...

...I'm just not sure they deserved the almighty public kicking and trashing on here dished out to them .

If the board truely believed that Jol couldn't take us any further then they should have the courage of there convictions and sack him, it really is that simple. Now if they believed in him and backed him with money and bought him new players to me seems a bit pointless. :shrug:

 

[PYiddy]

They saw there had been no improvement 3 games into the season...

...and they went in search of a top manager before it all went pear shaped.( its gone pear shaped )

Their reward ..a public humiliation on the mainstream media and an almighty trashing from many a deluded sentimentalist here .

Happy with our posts re the Board are we ?

so their actions havent contributed at all to our plight then?

 

[Northernspurs]

It was def the board's actions... however, the repercusions are BMJ can no longer continue in the role.

 

[PYiddy]

Yet for an entire summer knowing that Jol wasn't good enough they did fuck all. Ramos had a release clause in his contract that meant we could have talked to him without Seville stopping us until the end of July, meaning we could have had him in place for the start of the season yet the board in it infinite wisdom decided to wait until 3 games in and had the stupidity to get caught in one of Madrid most well known Hotels. Then they successfully manage to flame the fire by saying nothing until it was far too late.

You also mention how it is only one mistake. Oh how easy it is to forget. George Graham yes he won the league cup but, then the board fire him just before the FA Cup semi final if I remember correctly, or the Glenn Hoddle failure, lets again let him spend a lot of money and then sack him 6 games into the season rather than getting rid during the summer like they should have done. Then there is the Pleat caretaker period when Levy was trying to decide which direction he wanted to take the club and that lasted nearly an entire season. Then there is Santini that Levy had to give us a big name rather than the best man for the job. Then by luck Arnesen pushed for Jol to be appointed and Levy agreed to it. We had our best 2 season in a long, long time and then the board get caught in Ramosgate.

Yes the board have done a good job looking after the finances but, have still failed to show any clear indication of there plans for a new/redevolped WHL and then there seems to be the constant struggle to get the new training ground approved (which isn't entirely the boards fault.)

have some rep

 

[roosh]

the reason the board are hugely to blame for this is, bcos they failed to realise that half our first choice team were missing for the first 3/4 games of the season, and that, of the summer signings, only 2 of them had played - one of whom limped out 15mins into the second game. with this decimation of the squad it should've been obvious that the team would struggle.

they also failed to recall how we started last year and how we subsequently turned it around. the point about how we strengthened so much over the summer and therefore should not have started as badly cannot be made, bcos as above most of those players were injured for the start of the season.

so with this 'crisis' looming, what the club needed was for everyone to pull together, batton down the hatches and show some resilience.get the heads down and drag ourselves out of the situation we were in.this is something that has to come from the top down, it has to be the mentality of the football club not just the team. While you might say that Martin Jol, as manager, is responsible for instilling that in the team, the board, as the clubs managers, are responsible for instilling that within the whole club, and the team manager. the board FAILED in this most essential of managerial tasks bcos they did the complete opposite, instead of showing that the club was united and pulling in the same direction, they showed that we were panicking and didn't know what to do. they completely undermined the manager - twice in the space of a few weeks.

i honestly believe that Jol would have been able to turn things around [as he proved he could last season] until the board undermined him and the players confidence in him. And i don't care what some people might say, there is not one of us no matter how super human we may seem that is not susceptible to basic psychology. As a young [in terms of managerial experience] manager Jol would be even more susceptible to this. the board ruined any chance he had of turning things around quicker.

not only that but twice they tried to replace Jol and twice they failed.if you're going to make a huge decision like that, then you better make sure as hell there is an end result, even if it is not the optimum one - they didn't.

 

[muffwah]

the reason the board are hugely to blame for this is, bcos they failed to realise that half our first choice team were missing for the first 3/4 games of the season, and that, of the summer signings, only 2 of them had played - one of whom limped out 15mins into the second game. with this decimation of the squad it should've been obvious that the team would struggle.

they also failed to recall how we started last year and how we subsequently turned it around. the point about how we strengthened so much over the summer and therefore should not have started as badly cannot be made, bcos as above most of those players were injured for the start of the season.

so with this 'crisis' looming, what the club needed was for everyone to pull together, batton down the hatches and show some resilience.get the heads down and drag ourselves out of the situation we were in.this is something that has to come from the top down, it has to be the mentality of the football club not just the team. While you might say that Martin Jol, as manager, is responsible for instilling that in the team, the board, as the clubs managers, are responsible for instilling that within the whole club, and the team manager. the board FAILED in this most essential of managerial tasks bcos they did the complete opposite, instead of showing that the club was united and pulling in the same direction, they showed that we were panicking and didn't know what to do. they completely undermined the manager - twice in the space of a few weeks.

i honestly believe that Jol would have been able to turn things around [as he proved he could last season] until the board undermined him and the players confidence in him. And i don't care what some people might say, there is not one of us no matter how super human we may seem that is not susceptible to basic psychology. As a young [in terms of managerial experience] manager Jol would be even more susceptible to this. the board ruined any chance he had of turning things around quicker.

not only that but twice they tried to replace Jol and twice they failed.if you're going to make a huge decision like that, then you better make sure as hell there is an end result, even if it is not the optimum one - they didn't.

I am pretty sure the Everton debacle, much like last season, came BEFORE the board did anything. We have just carried on the same way and the management have done nothing to arrest the slide. Let's face it, the players might have bailed Jol out last year but he is not doing a great job.

 

[LSUY]

Do we even know for sure what exactly the board did yet? If anything at all? Or is this all still purely based on the newspaper speculation?

Both parties (Ramos and Spurs) have admitted to a meeting taking place. Ramos says he was offered a contract and Spurs are saying they didn't offer one.

Spurs obviously weren't there talking about players because then they would have had to speak to the Director of Football at Sevilla as he's key man there (personally I think he's the person we should be looking to bring into this club). It can't have been about training techniques because that's not the board's job.

It doesn't take a genius to work out that the board lied.

When you read comments by directors like Sir Keith Mills you have to wonder if the people on the board know anything about football.

For the club to expect to do only as well as last year is unacceptable. If you run a large plc and you tell your shareholders you will do the same next year, they get pretty disappointed.

Sorry but if important members of the board are making comments like this (and make them when the whole Ramos thing had only kicked off a few days earlier) then I have to call into question their ability to run this club.

When Arsenal dropped from 2nd place and challenging for the title to snatching 4th spot from us on the final day within one season not one Arsenal board member came out and questioned Wenger. The board there believed that given time Wenger would turn a young squad into a title challenging team. Because Wenger had won so many titles there was more pressure on him but the board there didn't panic and stuck with him. Shame we can't say the same about our board.

How can the board expect a top four finish when the vast majority of people know our squad isn't good or experienced enough.

Bale is in his first season in the top flight, Dawson has only a handful of seasons experience, Kaboul has only just arrived in the country and Lennon is miles away from his peak. Levy's fear of older players has affected the team. We need the likes of Petrov to add experience along with leadership and take the younger players under their wings. That's why I didn't want Davids to go because I rate him better than Zokora, he helped the younger players develop and offered leadership.

When Man Utd won the league with their kids, people forget that they had Steve Bruce and Gary Pallister in defence to add the experience and leadership needed in a team.

I think it's unfair that Jol has to take all the responsibility whilst being left to use players that Levy (Jenas) or Comolli buy.

If the board want the club to reach the Champions League and become a force in this country then they need to do what three of the best teams in this country do - leave the transfer of players, etc., to the manager.

With Jol going (no matter what he will be gone by the start of next season) can anyone else see a top manager wanting to manage here? Mourinho won't want to report to Comolli and Klinsmann and co. won't be happy to let the chairman, vice-chairman or director of football to get involved in team matters.

 

[dvdhopeful]

Jol should have been sacked two seasons ago........

Thats sarcasm btw

 

[Tottenham_OZpur]

using the actions of the board as the reason and blame for our current position is a load of :bs: to be honest.

even though I thought it was too early to replace Jol and the board stuffed up by not trying in the preseason when they had the chance if they wanted him, we were not exactly performing up to scratch in the couple games before it happened.

After last season's poor start I can sort of see why it happened. Should have beaten both Sunderland and Everton at home, yet 2 losses killed off the slim chance of beating the Arse to 4th, which as it has turned out so far this season, was never going to happen.

The Sunderland game was a real shocker ( prob pissed off the board bigtime ). I know on Foxsports ( who has the games here ) the people in the studio and the commentators were all talking about how important this game was to us and how it would give an indication whether we would be serious contenders to brake into the top 4. Let's just say it took that game to see the answer was no, our confidence was rocked after only one game and it has only got worse since. That is when it started to go wrong, before the Hotel incident. Fact is, it is not the first time we have started crap, after last season we SHOULD have learned from that, but clearly we didn't, so something is wrong with our preseason too.

Both Jol and the players should have used what happened in Spain to spur them on, to prove the board were wrong to look for another manager. I know that is what I would have done if I was either the manager or a player. A few wins, climb the table and that would have been the end of that, with ther board looking silly and stupid and of course

Instead of rising to the occassion, we are going down with a whimper, with our only win against DERBY at HOME, who let's face it are the worst side in the top flight and are clearly going to get relegated.

The 'board were right' is starting to look that way, over a quarter of the season in and we are still in the bottom 3, which has already been enough for Bolton to change manager and they have a weaker squad and no money spent :wink:

Saying that, would not achieve much to sack Jol now if we can't get who we want, give him to the end of the season to save our season and maybe his job, if we win a Cup and get in Europe again ( which is a must ) then a tough decision will have to be made :wink:

edit* all I have ever wanted is for us to learn from our mistakes, like making sure we didn't start badly again this season :roll: