Southgate/Neville for England?

[Lufti]

They don't tend to go that way because they tend to have better managers and a deeper pool of coaches who understand the game from a tactical and technical perspective.

I don't see that as a good excuse though.. Are we saying English people genetically can't be as good as foreigners in terms of tactical and technical knowledge? They have a big enough population to choose from. When the players aren't good enough England can't just pick a foreigner to come in so I don't see why it should be any different with a manager. If there is genuinely that big a lack of quality in English managers, which there might well be, then they need to do the same thing that they've done with youth academies for coaches and improve the quality of upcoming coaches. I still see it as a cop out to get in a foreign manager.

 

[SpursManChris]

It's not just about ccommunication though is it, it comes down to who is better at the job. If you're looking at someone to bark orders at people then we may as well consider Sherwood for the job.

It should come down to who has the best package in terms of overall skills.

Well your right, it should be overall skills. But I'm just trying to give reason as to why an English manager. And I'm not in England, so who is really saying that it should be an English manager? The FA or the fans? Has the FA actually come out and said, "ideally we'd like an Englishman?" Because that doesn't like something a governing body would do as it could marginalise them with foreign managers who may feel like they're not really going to be accepted if they take the job. I highly imagine you'd say it's the fans. Out here in Australia, the national rugby union team once got a New Zealand coach and this was much to the dislike of many fans who cried, "WE WANT AN AUSSIE!" Although maybe it was more, "WE DON'T WANT A NEW ZEALANDER!", given the nature of the relationship between the 2 countries.

 

[Blockbuster]

who's done it?

Germany at least 3 times before?
Holland at least once or twice i can remember?
France at least once?
Brazil?

its not totally un-heard of. ok it doesn't always bring success but worth a try, not like we've had massive amounts of success with various other charlatans?

 

[SpursManChris]

Germany at least 3 times before?
Holland at least once or twice i can remember?
France at least once?
Brazil?

its not totally un-heard of. ok it doesn't always bring success but worth a try, not like we've had massive amounts of success with various other charlatans?

Can you put any names to Germany?

 

[Kendall]

Even Barkley I think shouldn't be there. He was in Brazil for God's sake and I have this feeling that he's going to be needed for the qualifiers.

Personally, I think the longer we keep the kids in competitive international football the better.

 

[SpursManChris]

Personally, I think the longer we keep the kids in competitive international football the better.

So what are you saying, Barkely should play?

 

[Kendall]

So what are you saying, Barkely should play?

I'd like to see Barkley as involved as possible with the U21s, particularly as we have such an uncompetitive qualifying group in the seniors.

 

[SpursManChris]

But he has been apart of the U21 qualification campaign and played more games in the U21's than the national team

Mata and Martinez were in the Spain's world cup winning squad but didn't figure much like Barkley.

Yeah, I certainly wasn't suggesting that he doesn't deserve to be playing, I knew he was involved in the qualification. But if a player has been identified as being an important part of the senior team, then that is where they should stay, even if they have been part of an u21 qualification and the team has an upcoming comp.

 

[SpursManChris]

I'd like to see Barkley as involved as possible with the U21s, particularly as we have such an uncompetitive qualifying group in the seniors.

How optimistic. You realise this is England right? They seem to make things difficult for themselves regardless of the opposition.

 

[Kendall]

How optimistic. You realise this is England right? They seem to make things difficult for themselves regardless of the opposition.

Is it optimistic to have the opinion it should happen?

I'm not in anyway suggesting it will.

 

[StuckinPoland]

play all of our best u21s at the finals. i see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't.

if there are senior games next summer, so what? they won't be more important than the U21 finals, especially when we could have qualification sewn up by then, with the way things are going so far.

 

[Lufti]

play all of our best u21s at the finals. i see absolutely no reason why we shouldn't.

if there are senior games next summer, so what? they won't be more important than the U21 finals, especially when we could have qualification sewn up by then, with the way things are going so far.

What message does that send the the guys who actually got the team there? Good job guys, thanks for travelling round Europe playing pointless opposition so that we could be in these finals, but now we're here, you can just stay home

It stops the u21s from progressing if you just bring players who are now considered seniors down

 

[StuckinPoland]

stops them from progressing? sorry. but i find that laughable.

the idea that you shouldn't play your best players so you can keep those who are not so good happy????

i see no logic in that.

a squad has 23 players. whoever misses out from the lot that qualified us can't have been that important to begin with.

 

[StuckinPoland]

i'm not sure how many could drop down, but say it is as high as 10, which i doubt, that still leaves 13 spots for the ones who qualified us.

 

[ThorntonSpur]

If Pearce does will with forest I could see him as the perfect man to take over.

 

[Lufti]

stops them from progressing? sorry. but i find that laughable.

the idea that you shouldn't play your best players so you can keep those who are not so good happy????

i see no logic in that.

a squad has 23 players. whoever misses out from the lot that qualified us can't have been that important to begin with.

Of course it does. How can a player ever learn to perform in big games and big tournaments if they have no experience of it. It'd be like us playing Townsend all year but taking him out and playing Lamela against all the big teams. Townsend wont learn and gain experience of how to play against the big boys if he's only ever running rings around low class opposition.

 

[StuckinPoland]

but the England manager's job is different to that of a club team. his job is to pick the best players available, not to worry about whether he's being fair to those who have played before. that is just silly.

anyway, the England game is June 14. The finals start June 17. we could easily name players in both squads and have them join the U21s a bit late. I mean, you could always have both squads train together.

 

[Lufti]

but the England manager's job is different to that of a club team. his job is to pick the best players available, not to worry about whether he's being fair to those who have played before. that is just silly.

anyway, the England game is June 14. The finals start June 17. we could easily name players in both squads and have them join the U21s a bit late. I mean, you could always have both squads train together.

You're right, it's completely different. And being u21 manager is completely different to being an international manager too. His job is to develop players so that there are players who have technical ability, mental strength and experience for when so that they progress into the full national side. There's no point in calling people who are already senior players as there is nothing to gain from it. Okay, you win an u21 trophy which no one really cares about, and no one really congratulates or recognises it as good work either because you've just called upon players who are already senior England players. If Germany did this there'd be no competition.

Use the competition as a chance to get players who don't perhaps play at the top level or who don't play regularly some experience, to test them against other styles of football and to see how they compare against the other talents being produced around Europe of a similar age. Don't bring people who've just gone to a world cup and to whom this competition will mean very little.

 

[Blockbuster]

Can you put any names to Germany?

Franz Beckenbauer
Rudi Völler
Jürgen Klinsmann

 

[StuckinPoland]

you say that no-one really cares about the U21 finals when what you really mean is - you don't care about it.

plus, you're assuming that players already in the senior squad have technical ability, mental strength and experience (if that was the only reason to play U21 football, which of course it isn't). and anyway, going on what i saw from them in the World Cup this summer and how well England did, i think it's ridiculous to say they would gain nothing from playing in the U21 finals.