Spurs and VAR

[Deleted member 27995]

The challenge on PEH - It can't be a booking for Regulion and a free kick against us, but a fair challenge and leading to a goal for them - those two things can not co-exist in the same football match.

The ref has mugged himself off, it's embarrassing for the FA and for the league as a whole.

 

[nedley]

What time does SSN normally have that bald ref on to defend the weekend decisions?

 

[luRRka]

What time does SSN normally have that bald ref on to defend the weekend decisions?

Peter Walton has already said it was a bad decision and it gets worse everytime he looks at it. Was at the same time Ian Wright and Paul scholes were condemning it

 

[al_pacino]

I think it was a foul on Kane but the ref definitely would've given it the other way if he thought a penalty would be given.

The Doherty one I'm surprised wasn't given but I only saw the behind angle once and it looked much less in that one.

The Brighton goal doesn't exactly look good for the ref. Real time it was obvious, the var is basically telling him to change his mind along with about 50 replays and still he makes the decision. I didn't think they'd look at it at which shows what I know about var.

 

[nicdic]

I think it was a foul on Kane but the ref definitely would've given it the other way if he thought a penalty would be given.

The Doherty one I'm surprised wasn't given but I only saw the behind angle once and it looked much less in that one.

The Brighton goal doesn't exactly look good for the ref. Real time it was obvious, the var is basically telling him to change his mind along with about 50 replays and still he makes the decision. I didn't think they'd look at it at which shows what I know about var.

It's definitely a foul on Kane, he's positioned himself to take the ball down, and has looked so he knows what's coming. Of course he's being clever, but doesn't make it any less of a foul. Completely agree with you though, if the ref thought it was a penalty he would have given it the other way.

Doherty I think the contact was minimal, and not sure Trossard was getting to the ball.

For their goal, there's just no explanation.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

was in previous phase of play and we had reset our defence so should not have even been looked at by VAR.

That's a very nice piece of utter drivel, that is.

 

[Alex4487]

Mk yid loooooool what a travesty of a human being deluded and clueless at the same time wow. That ref is beyond a joke but they are all shit to be fair just need to deal with it and make sure we have a big lead so refs cant fuck us over

 

[Neon_Knight_]

that ref is the biggest bottler going he knew he fucked up but didnt want to embarrass himself he didnt give the foul what a clown fa fine should be in order for that bullshit

"Didn't want to embarrass himself"

That went well then

 

[mightyspur]

Kane penalty incident - correct decision. It was a foul (Kane used his body well and totally bought the foul, but it is still a foul). Ref gave a free-kick. All VAR did was check if it was in the penalty area or not and it clearly was.

Brighton penalty incident - incorrect decision. Doherty got away with a blatant pull back because he let go at the last minute and the ref didn't see it. Had the ref given a penalty, I highly doubt VAR would have overruled it

Brighton goal - incorrect decision. Unbelievable he didn't give the foul against Holjberg. Even if the brighton player did get the faintest of touches (and I don't think he did) it was still a foul.

 

[mil1lion]

This is one of the inconsistencies in football that annoys me when it comes to the penalty. Kane doesn't back into Lalana, he moves towards where the ball will drop and stops. Lalana jumps in with his knee, if he doesn't lead with the knee and jumps for it then it's not a foul. What annoys me is that defensive players draw fouls all the time to stop an attack but when attacking players do it they rarely get the decision. The other thing is that you rarely get them inside the box and if the ref knew it was inside he doesn't give a pen. It is still a foul regardless of whether it's an attacker or defender and whether it's inside or outside the box. I'm glad this one was given because a foul is a foul.

 

[SlotBadger]

You are Peter Walton and I claim my five pounds.

Peter Walton agrees.

 

[SpartanSpur]

On the Kane one I can see why some would say it could be a foul against him, sometimes it is, however from the refs position live all you see is Lallana come flying in for a ball he arguably has less than a 50% chance of winning. It was a very strange decision for Lallana to jump in like that to be honest. Imagine what our fans would be saying if Aurier or Sissoko did that for example! Even if he won his header he's heading it towards his own goal. That said Kane did endanger him by backing in and will probably be watched closely for it now.

If it was the other way around I bet @MK Yid would have blamed our player for being too aggressive and giving the ref a decision to make. I think they a good poster because he/she has insight into the officiating side of the game but I think when it comes to us someone nailed it above and they're probably guilty of a subliminal bias against us veiled as impartiality. For example my old youth coach was a referee and a good one but in the rare times he had to step in as ref for our games he would give us absolutely nothing so as to not be accused of bias.

Doherty was lucky with his but those sort of penalty shouts are often a lottery as to whether they get given, especially when the player lets go mid action. They are often missed. I'm not sure a red card would have been awarded either personally as the player was trying to get on a cross, it's not like they were in possession of the ball or running on to a through ball (IMHO). It certainly wasn't as bad as the Maguire chokehold last week!

The Hojbjerg incident was pure negligence. He looked at a screen and somehow missed a clear foul, regardless of any slight touch on the ball. Phase of play argument I think is a tough one to call. They never lost the ball and still had it in our third the whole time, but appealing aside we did have time to set.

Overall I think the ref had a shocker, both sides could be rightly aggrieved with his decisions but overall they largely cancelled each other out IMHO. That is pretty much what Graham Potter said after the game.

 

[Lighty64]

What time does SSN normally have that bald ref on to defend the weekend decisions?

11:30

reckon that mistake not to give the foul on Hojberjg was down to him having Lamptey in his FPL team

 

[spursfan77]

Revealing the people's posts on my ignore list has been pretty amusing reading, catching up in this thread!

 

[hughy]

No pretending whatsoever, just because you will never hold done a job with any responsibility in your what I am sure will be a meaningless life, does not mean others haven’t.

How the fuck are you still allowed to post here? Wummery of the highest order.

 

[Mr Pink]

Kane was fouled, just because he takes a look doesn't mean it wasn't a foul, it was.

PEH was fouled, that was a huge mistake by the ref.

The Doherty one was the only questionable one, that could of gone against us, but their goal shouldn't of stood.

And for some little virgin to insist it wasn't the same phase of play is the epitome of a classic WUM.

 

[Shadydan]

You all call him a WUM so what's the point of engaging with him, sticking them on ignore normally does the trick, for me it does anyway.

 

[hughy]

You all call him a WUM so what's the point of engaging with him, sticking them on ignore normally does the trick, for me it does anyway.

I'd agree with this if when you put someone on ignore it ignored all posts quoting them too. Otherwise it's just annoying seeing people arguing with themselves when you have one of the WUM's on ignore.

Not sure whether that makes sense...

 

[Laboog]

The Kane and PEH ones have already been discussed over and over. I think majority feel Kane's was a pen and PEH was fouled. Even if you want to say Kane "baited" Lallana to foul him, it's still a pen.

The Doherty one I fully admit I feel like we got lucky. Brighton made the most of it with the way he threw himself down but Doherty still had him wrapped up long enough to impact his run and if it went against us, I feel like most of us would have been wanting a pen. Doherty did it a few times yesterday trying to defend with his hands wrapping or grabbing the attacking instead of moving to stay in front of him.

Overall we had 2 of the 3 decisions go our way. For Spurs, that is a rare occurence as I feel we are often on the wrong end of 50/50 calls. Since we won I won't complain too much about the PEH foul except for I do want answers from the ref. I know it won't happen but until he provides a valid answer to how he can blow a call that easy, I will fully be convinced he did not want to overrule his original call since he was 5 feet away from the foul live.

 

[Yid-ol]

The penalty could have gone either way. Kane did back up into Lallana, but then Lallana did also go forward over the top of Kane.

I would say Lallana going over the top is more of a foul, defenders normally do that to the strikers and get a free kick.

Anyone who can't see that being on the line needs their eyes tested