Spurs don't have to negotiate with Sevilla...!

[sloth]

I picked this out of a long and no doubt largely ficticious article by the Mail... Anyone else know anything about this system??

Source: The Mail
Spurs can pay the fee directly to the Spanish league and then negotiate with Capel and his agents without ever involving Sevilla.

 

[yanno]

Yes. I've been saying that Del Nido cannot block a release fee clause for some time. I didn't realize that it's the Spanish league that handles the cash side, but the end result is the same. We match the release fee and we can then deal directly with the player and his agents. Eg:

With respect, nickspurs, once we've triggered the release clause, we deal directly with the player and his representatives. Sevilla Chairman Del Nido would be left fuming all the way to the bank...

Release fees are as legally binding as Bosmans. Did we want Judas to go to the Scum? No. Could we stop that deal? No.

A few years ago, Real Madrid triggered Figo's release clause at Barca. Barca were furious, but couldn't stop the transfer. All that happened was that Figo got a pig's head chucked at him when he played at Barca in a white Real Madrid shirt, and was called a pesetero (roughly "money whore").

If we trigger the release clause of Capel the only questions are:
- does he want to come to us?
- will we pay him enough?
- will he pass a medical?

Del Nido can swivel.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=892218

 

[Yid-ol]

Ramos will move for 20-year-old Capel as soon as the season ends and could capitalise on the buy-out clause in his contract. That clause is directly linked to Capel's wages and how many times his contract has been re-negotiated. The buy-out price began at £9.5m but once he'd played 40 first-team games, a target he reached against Murcia last month, the price rose by £2m.

i think that is the important bit, its not that we can just go and talk to them, but the buy out clause is the reason we can if we meet it

Eto for 27million is also way too much!!

 

[tRiKS]

I have a £7,000 release clause that if COYS want to activate they need to pay directly to Rob @ SC..

Any new users on SC calling themselves tRiKS2 or tRiKStHeReTuRN would not be me. purely coincidence Eek

 

[nickspurs]

Good find. Not the most reliable source :wink: but I'm on standby to be wrong on this one!

I'd love to see some better sources on this. I'm a Googling maestro (but admitedly not a Spanish-speaking one) and I've yet to find any detail on the mechanics of activating a buy-out clause.

 

[bubble07]

If we get capel it must mean modric is playing in the middle of a 4 man midfield. I still think we need to go with the times and adopt a 4-2-3-1 formation. The top 4 and Everton play with one up. I do think that is what Juande is doing with the signing of modric and the strong rumours surrounded eto't. But i can't see where that would leave keano

The only way berba won't be missed is if we sign ronaldinho and eto'o

 

[joey55]

Amongst all the hype about us possibly signing him, does anyone else think he isn't aything special? I think he's a decent young player, but his reputation on here seems to be higher than perhaps it should be. Everyone seems concerend about whether we can trigger his release clause or not, but I haven't read too many opinions on what people think of him as a player. Other than a great knack of doing the old Graham Taylor (he insisted his wingers do it) trick of the winger arriving late at the far post, I've not seen anything in him that has overly impressed me, certainly not to the degree his reputation suggests it should. I don't think his delivery is that great and I've read he's quick, but not really noted that myself.

 

[bubble07]

I prefer we sign Arshavin

 

[DC_Boy]

neither Capel or any Seville player will come to us this summer is my firm prediction

 

[Kendall]

I don't really rate him as anything special & certainly not for the Premier League.

 

[joey55]

neither Capel or any Seville player will come to us this summer is my firm prediction

Seeing as he played about just 2 hours of football in La liga for Ramos, and has since played virtually every minute, it would seem like a very odd transfer. A coach doesn't really pick you leaves, you then start playing regularly and then leave to play for the coach that didn't pick you! :shrug:

 

[Kendall]

Seeing as he played about just 2 hours of football in La liga for Ramos, and has since played virtually every minute, it would seem like a very odd transfer. A coach doesn't really pick you leaves, you then start playing regularly and then leave to play for the coach that didn't pick you! :shrug:

Much of that was due to Antonio Puerta occupying the left, obviously he died, then Ramos left a few weeks later.

 

[sloth]

Yes. I've been saying that Del Nido cannot block a release fee clause for some time. I didn't realize that it's the Spanish league that handles the cash side, but the end result is the same. We match the release fee and we can then deal directly with the player and his agents. Eg:



http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/forums/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=892218

Yes, I know you have :razz: and what you say is perfectly logical as can be seen when you consider the alternative: a release fee clause that is a release fee clause so long as the club is happy for him to be released (in other words no release fee clause at all.)

(Incidently, this same principal can be applied to those who are questioning the two-year option thing with Berbatov. Their reasoning seems to be that we have a two year option so long as both parties agree, but in that case what's the difference between a two-year option and simply renogotiating a new contract? The answer of course is none. QED a two year option is not dependent on two parties agreeing. But I digress...)

What's new (if true) about this article is the suggestion that Sevilla have no say in it at all. For example, Del Nido may not have been able to block his transfer once an appropriate bid had been lodged, but in the event of two bids triggering the release clause it seemed, previously, unlikely that they would except our bid over the other. Thus, were Man City, for instance, to match our bid Capel would have to decide between them and remaining at Sevilla. What the Mail article implies is that Sevilla don't even have that much wriggle room. A bid is lodged with La Liga and the player is free to choose to accept it or not. That's a bit different I think and makes us poaching Sevilla players an altogether more likely prospect than previous thought (by me at least.).

 

[tRiKS]

If we get capel it must mean modric is playing in the middle of a 4 man midfield. I still think we need to go with the times and adopt a 4-2-3-1 formation. The top 4 and Everton play with one up. I do think that is what Juande is doing with the signing of modric and the strong rumours surrounded eto't. But i can't see where that would leave keano

The only way berba won't be missed is if we sign ronaldinho and eto'o

we won't sign Capel but if we did sign a left winger it won't mean Modric in the centre of a 442. Modric will be a N0.10 and there will be only one recocgnised "striker" in the team. 4411. to that end It wouldn't shock me if both Keane and Berbatov moved on in the summer

 

[DC_Boy]

Seeing as he played about just 2 hours of football in La liga for Ramos, and has since played virtually every minute, it would seem like a very odd transfer. A coach doesn't really pick you leaves, you then start playing regularly and then leave to play for the coach that didn't pick you! :shrug:

yep Joey - we've agred about this before that Capel won't be coming - but this story keeps running - whether it's lazy, incompetent journalism which is my suspicion about most of these Spanish links with Ramos - (I also predicted months ago that the much tipped Villa to spurs move won't happen either) or there's genuine basis time will tell

 

[yanno]

Seeing as he played about just 2 hours of football in La liga for Ramos, and has since played virtually every minute, it would seem like a very odd transfer. A coach doesn't really pick you leaves, you then start playing regularly and then leave to play for the coach that didn't pick you! :shrug:

It is true that Ramos picked the sadly deceased Puerta and Adriano ahead of Capel for Sevilla's left flank. However, Capel is still pretty young. Both Puerta and Adriano are better defensively than Capel, who is a very attacking LM. Indeed, he's more of an out-and-out left winger. It may be that Ramos thought playing with two lightweight, very attack-minded, wide midfielders in Navas and Capel was simply too much.

I think a left flank of Bale/Gilberto and Capel would be very vulnerable in a 4-4-2 formation. However, if we switch to a 4-2-3-1 formation, with one of the deep C/DMs playing like Poulsen does at Sevilla moving across to fill in defensively when our players bomb forward, we might get away with Capel as the ALM.

The crucial thing about Ramos & Capel is that Juande will have watched him in training on numerous occasions and will know all about his character and personality: would he settle in England? is he a playboy or someone who works hard in training every day? Etc. If Ramos wanted him, then I think Commoli and Levy would have to make a serious effort to sign him.

 

[nickspurs]

we won't sign Capel but if we did sign a left winger it won't mean Modric in the centre of a 442. Modric will be a N0.10 and there will be only one recocgnised "striker" in the team. 4411. to that end It wouldn't shock me if both Keane and Berbatov moved on in the summer

mg: It would shock me a great deal.

Particularly given Ramos' gushing (by his standards) comments on Keane after the Reading game.

 

[yanno]

What's new (if true) about this article is the suggestion that Sevilla have no say in it at all. For example, Del Nido may not have been able to block his transfer once an appropriate bid had been lodged, but in the event of two bids triggering the release clause it seemed, previously, unlikely that they would except our bid over the other. Thus, were Man City, for instance, to match our bid Capel would have to decide between them and remaining at Sevilla. What the Mail article implies is that Sevilla don't even have that much wriggle room. A bid is lodged with La Liga and the player is free to choose to accept it or not. That's a bit different I think and makes us poaching Sevilla players an altogether more likely prospect than previous thought (by me at least.).

What's new about that? Your example of a second club is a complete irrelevance. All clubs who match the release fee can deal directly with the player and his agents, and Del Nido can swivel: it's a matter of contract law.

 

[joey55]

Much of that was due to Antonio Puerta occupying the left, obviously he died, then Ramos left a few weeks later.

I think Adriano was largelly preffered by Ramos on the left wing not Puerta. I thought Puerta mainly played at LB, until Adrianno got injured and missed the last part of the season.

 

[SpurSince57]

neither Capel or any Seville player will come to us this summer is my firm prediction

But you keep arguing the inarguable, that del Nido will somehow be able to stop the deal going through. A release clause is a release clause; there would be no point whatsoever in having the system if a club president could circumvent it that easily. If del Nido has set the release clause fees at a realistic level instead of an insanely high one, as seems to be the general practice (see the reported fee for Lopez), that's his problem.

However, Ramos said long ago that he would not be raiding Sevilla. That statement is a much firmer basis for your contention.