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provence

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The Stoke match summed everything up: This season will be a tough up-hill battle in the league. Almost all that could go against us did with red cards, injuries and all. But that is what happens to teams in table trouble. The remedy is to be found between the players’ ears.

Being in the bottom is a state of mind. So you have to go mental – figuratively speaking – to find a way out. Equal amounts of spite, defiant self-belief and sheer willpower will do the trick. And right now there is no substitute for these measures.

But do Spurs have the mental strengths to get out of jail? I hate to be negative, but I reluctantly admit that the doubts are creeping up on me. I can’t find the uncompromising leader in the team anywhere. None of the captains are hard men who can drag their teammates out of the gloom by the scruff of their necks. And collectively, the players don’t seem to be able to do it either.

This leaves me a bit worried. I am still convinced that there is enough talent in the squad to climb up the table. But with a fragile mental state within the team, that talent might not be enough.

However, before we administer the superficial knee-jerk reactions that lead to cries for the manager’s head and the slagging of certain players, I would like to try to dig a little deeper in search of explanations.

I think the main problem – apart from the mental challenges – are that we have started the season with a line up with only four regulars from last season. We were fooled by the good results in pre-season. Because it has turned out to be much harder than expected to create the necessary understanding on the pitch with so many new players.

But not only that. We have also had to change the whole game plan because of the sale of two front men. This makes the integration of all the new players even harder.

I might be clutching at straws, but I think I saw definite signs of improvement against Stoke with Alan Hutton back. He didn’t have his crosses tuned in yet. But the attacking play on the right benefited enormously with him back in the starting line up. We also have a much more commanding goalkeeper in Gomes who is not afraid to boss his penalty area. And we have a potentially solid defence now – despite King’s cameo appearances – even though we are now handicapped short term by suspensions.

It will come as no surprise when I state that the midfield is our troubled area. Five men should be able to create a tougher presence. But they have clearly not found their respective roles yet. They have not learned their respective running patterns either. That is where passes go astray or play is held up because the player carrying the ball can’t find the pass he wants. And so it affects the striker(s) as well, because they never get the service they need.

Getting the team to gel takes time, which they don’t really have at the moment. There are no short cuts, no quick fix. And then we are back to mentality. In a league as tough as the PL, games are won or lost, not based on talent or skill, but based on the last five per cent of mental strength and the will to run/fight the extra yard.

A good portion of defiance is needed for the Spurs team in the games coming up – and they come thick and fast now. So come on you Spurs. Prove all the critics and dooms day preachers wrong. Show your true character. Let us see the fire and determination in your eyes. Clench your fist and fight your way out of the current predicament. No more talk, just action.
 

BringBack_leGin

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There is one man crazier than any other. A man who will play the same pass over and over agian despite the ball constantly going nowhere near his team mate. A man who will travel all the way to Birmingham to sign, and tell the manager that his methods are crap on the first day. A man who will stare an angry bald dutchman of great stature in the face and throw down his shirt defiantly. A man who cares not for the love of the fans. A man who threw his body in between towering Chelsea defenders to win the ball and strike it into their net.

A man who took a kick to the fact in the opening minutes of an away game, lost 4 teeth, was concussed, and played on till half time.

That man is none other than HOSSAM GHALY.

None criticised him more than me after he threw his shirt. Maybe because it was right in front of me I took it a bit personally, but I castigated him to the rafters.

However, he fights for us. He ahs actually bled for us. The teeth incident wasn't the only time. He has also had his head split open and continued on the pitch for us.

He has a bit of skill (I think more than JJ), he's got a bit of pace, he's quite strong and he can score goals. Most importantly though, he never stops scrapping. Remember the 2-1 win at home to chelsea. he was on a booking and flying about, and i knew not why jol was keeping him on. with hindsight, it was because he was one player who was putting his body on the line to preserve our lead.

I am not saying he is my cup of tea, and I am not hailing him as a great player. But can you remember Zokora ever putting himself in physical danger for us. Can you ever remember Jenas putting in a performance where you thought he did everything in his power for the team? And let us not get started on the enigma that is Tom Hudd.

I would offer Ghaly a reprieve. Call me crazy, but I would.
 

That Guy

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There is one man crazier than any other. A man who will play the same pass over and over agian despite the ball constantly going nowhere near his team mate. A man who will travel all the way to Birmingham to sign, and tell the manager that his methods are crap on the first day. A man who will stare an angry bald dutchman of great stature in the face and throw down his shirt defiantly. A man who cares not for the love of the fans. A man who threw his body in between towering Chelsea defenders to win the ball and strike it into their net.

A man who took a kick to the fact in the opening minutes of an away game, lost 4 teeth, was concussed, and played on till half time.

That man is none other than HOSSAM GHALY.

None criticised him more than me after he threw his shirt. Maybe because it was right in front of me I took it a bit personally, but I castigated him to the rafters.

However, he fights for us. He ahs actually bled for us. The teeth incident wasn't the only time. He has also had his head split open and continued on the pitch for us.

He has a bit of skill (I think more than JJ), he's got a bit of pace, he's quite strong and he can score goals. Most importantly though, he never stops scrapping. Remember the 2-1 win at home to chelsea. he was on a booking and flying about, and i knew not why jol was keeping him on. with hindsight, it was because he was one player who was putting his body on the line to preserve our lead.

I am not saying he is my cup of tea, and I am not hailing him as a great player. But can you remember Zokora ever putting himself in physical danger for us. Can you ever remember Jenas putting in a performance where you thought he did everything in his power for the team? And let us not get started on the enigma that is Tom Hudd.

I would offer Ghaly a reprieve. Call me crazy, but I would.

I totally agree. Are you still going to eat your hat btw?
 

Mchillio

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There is one man crazier than any other. A man who will play the same pass over and over agian despite the ball constantly going nowhere near his team mate. A man who will travel all the way to Birmingham to sign, and tell the manager that his methods are crap on the first day. A man who will stare an angry bald dutchman of great stature in the face and throw down his shirt defiantly. A man who cares not for the love of the fans. A man who threw his body in between towering Chelsea defenders to win the ball and strike it into their net.

A man who took a kick to the fact in the opening minutes of an away game, lost 4 teeth, was concussed, and played on till half time.

That man is none other than HOSSAM GHALY.

None criticised him more than me after he threw his shirt. Maybe because it was right in front of me I took it a bit personally, but I castigated him to the rafters.

However, he fights for us. He ahs actually bled for us. The teeth incident wasn't the only time. He has also had his head split open and continued on the pitch for us.

He has a bit of skill (I think more than JJ), he's got a bit of pace, he's quite strong and he can score goals. Most importantly though, he never stops scrapping. Remember the 2-1 win at home to chelsea. he was on a booking and flying about, and i knew not why jol was keeping him on. with hindsight, it was because he was one player who was putting his body on the line to preserve our lead.

I am not saying he is my cup of tea, and I am not hailing him as a great player. But can you remember Zokora ever putting himself in physical danger for us. Can you ever remember Jenas putting in a performance where you thought he did everything in his power for the team? And let us not get started on the enigma that is Tom Hudd.

I would offer Ghaly a reprieve. Call me crazy, but I would.


He is worth a punt...whats the worse that could happen!!
 

Woody10

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Agree totally, but my god we dun half have a fight on our hands, another point is body language, it feeds through the team. Lennons on sunday was awful, throwing his hands around everytime something went wrong! Drive and ditermination needs to be shown and this will filter through the team.

The Ghaly thing might just work, showing players that even a crocked, dis-loyal egyptian is getting in the side, so buck your ideas up!!

Only southampton have servived from this point in the prem! Diggin really really deep is required, and a Edgar Davids style fight!!!

COYS
 

tomo

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I think Ghaly is worth a shout again, quite a skilful player on his day, did tend to give the ball away in dangerous positions but at the same time we need some willing runners at the moment.
I have to say at the time we sold Malbranque I thought it was a little hasty, he is a player that puts in the miles on the pitch and has a knack of scoring, just another case of poor decision making from the powers that be.
The only thing thats compensating me at the moment is that Hutton is back and will provide an outlet going forward on the right and that surely Bentley will get better sooner rather than later and start adding some goals from midfiled. Furthermore I think any team currently in the bottom half of the table can be caught by us...................IF we start believing
 

wooderz

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I think Ghaly is worth a shout again, quite a skilful player on his day, did tend to give the ball away in dangerous positions but at the same time we need some willing runners at the moment.
I have to say at the time we sold Malbranque I thought it was a little hasty, he is a player that puts in the miles on the pitch and has a knack of scoring, just another case of poor decision making from the powers that be.
The only thing thats compensating me at the moment is that Hutton is back and will provide an outlet going forward on the right and that surely Bentley will get better sooner rather than later and start adding some goals from midfiled. Furthermore I think any team currently in the bottom half of the table can be caught by us...................IF we start believing

I thought bentley played ok yesterday, his radar seems to be realigning
 

tomo

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I thought bentley played ok yesterday, his radar seems to be realigning

better certainly, put a few decent crosses in but at Blackburn he was a match winner so we need to see that side of him asap
 

kendal

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some of what we did yesterday was ok...but some of it was schoolboy stuff

we didnt press as a team...one or two would press and if the ball was played around them then there would be big holes.

too many times we didnt challenge at centre half. we let them win the ball with a hope of challenging for the 2nd ball

our midfield destroyer, zokora, was sacrificed to play left back...ok when we have the ball...not good when we're without it

we seem to play without any pace when we have the ball in midfield...jenas, modric were both guilty of not injecting any pace into the game

i would personally play until we start picking up points...
Gomes
Hutton Woodgate King/Corluka BAE
Zokora Huddlestone
Bentley Jenas Bale
Bent
as much as i want all our sily football to return, i think Gio, Lennon and Modric are a luxury we cant afford.

we need tackles in. hard graft.

but we desperately lack leaders and real pace.

assuming we arent all but relegated in January, we need to spend big my Levy

 

BringBack_leGin

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i wouldn't sacrifice lennon, he's the only one who actually looks like doing anything. and as for his body language yesterday, i was delighted to actual see one of our players getting frustrated and annoyed. they need to be angrier, at least it shows he cares. i don't think he was ever having a go at any of our players anyway, i think he was berating the ref for refusing to penalise the constant assissination attemps by the stoke defence on him.

i don't give a damn about ref respect to tell you the truth because we have already had a few game turning decisions against us this season. i want the players to become arseholes for a while. in fact, the one positive thing about the dawson sending off is taht the players reacted as a unit and got some fire in them, i hope that perhaps now they can develop a siege mentality for the nexxt game.
 

BringBack_leGin

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and yes, if we are 18th, 19th, or 20th, once the 10th game of the season has been played, I dine on hat. Until yesterday i still held some hope, but no more!
 

Boaman

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Ghaly is a good shout but I feel too much has happened for him ever to come back and do a good job for us. I liked him whenever he played for us, bar the game he threw his shirt.

Unfortunately the most defining image of this season for me is from the Portsmouth game, it's the image of Defoe not celebrating his goal against us. He's not celebrating because of the love of the management and players, it's because of his love of the fans. Because he still cares about us. That image should be stuck up all around WHL, in Levy's office and the dressing rooms.

There are no players in the current team who give 2 f*cks about the fans maybe King does, our other captain couldn't give a monkey's and the rest of the players regret being here. Defoe was different, he played for the fans and wanted to have their respect, which he got by putting in the performances.

We need players now who want to win for the fans because they don't want it for the club and they clearly aren't bothered about the management. This time last year we had other staff who were in this category -

Keane
Tainio
Jol
Steed
Robinson

Now we have no players who are in that bracket. And people on here tell me Comolli has a good record signing players. Jesus, I think I'm taking crazy pills
 

sxboy

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There is one man crazier than any other. A man who will play the same pass over and over agian despite the ball constantly going nowhere near his team mate. A man who will travel all the way to Birmingham to sign, and tell the manager that his methods are crap on the first day. A man who will stare an angry bald dutchman of great stature in the face and throw down his shirt defiantly. A man who cares not for the love of the fans. A man who threw his body in between towering Chelsea defenders to win the ball and strike it into their net.

A man who took a kick to the fact in the opening minutes of an away game, lost 4 teeth, was concussed, and played on till half time.

That man is none other than HOSSAM GHALY.

None criticised him more than me after he threw his shirt. Maybe because it was right in front of me I took it a bit personally, but I castigated him to the rafters.

However, he fights for us. He ahs actually bled for us. The teeth incident wasn't the only time. He has also had his head split open and continued on the pitch for us.

He has a bit of skill (I think more than JJ), he's got a bit of pace, he's quite strong and he can score goals. Most importantly though, he never stops scrapping. Remember the 2-1 win at home to chelsea. he was on a booking and flying about, and i knew not why jol was keeping him on. with hindsight, it was because he was one player who was putting his body on the line to preserve our lead.

I am not saying he is my cup of tea, and I am not hailing him as a great player. But can you remember Zokora ever putting himself in physical danger for us. Can you ever remember Jenas putting in a performance where you thought he did everything in his power for the team? And let us not get started on the enigma that is Tom Hudd.

I would offer Ghaly a reprieve. Call me crazy, but I would.

A man with a point to prove

(Ghaly not BBLG)
 

BringBack_leGin

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A man with a point to prove

(Ghaly not BBLG)

i had a point to prove... that i fully believed that after 10 games we would be out of the relegation zone, and now i am most likely going to taste my hat before to long.

does that count as going mental?

i posted this in another thread but i'll post it here as well:




I don't actually blame Ramos for todays defeat. He played the team I think I pretty much would have played as well. He could not have forseen Bale getting sent off, though it was that incident which spurred us on to finally start playing some football.

I know I'm beginning to sound like a broken record but look at this:

Gk Robinson 1.5m........... Gomes 9m
RB Stalteri Free.............. Hutton 9m
LB Lee 1.5m ................. Bale 5m
CB Dawson 4m............... Woodgate 8m
CB King Free.................. Corluka 9m
RW Lennon 800k............. Bentley 15m
LW Davids Free............... Lennon 800k
CM Jenas 7m.................. Jenas 7m
CM Carrick 3m................ Zokora 8m
Hole Keane 7m................. Modric 16m
CF Mido Loan................. Bent 16m

24.8m............................. 102.8m

The team on the left is largely the team that finished 5th and nearly 4th

The team on the right is the team that started today and is bottom

Now don't get me wrong, I prefer our current goalie, I prefer Bale and Hutton to Lee and Stalteri, Woodgate is definitely an upgrade on Dawson and while King is the best, Corluka is good and King is not able anymore. Lennon I like, and Jenas is still Jenas, he'll look good when the team looks good. But Carrick and Davids for Bently and Zokora is perhaps a trade too much in the attacking sense. We have sacrificed a player who is perfect in possession, never wasting it, and a leader of men who fights to the death, for a man who loses the ball most of the time and another who runs around a lot but with little substance. Modric I have every faith in as a talent but right now the gulf between him and Keane is immense. And while I do not fault Bent, and today I thought he played alright, I must admit that when watching Boro yesterday I couldn't help but notice Mido fighting for the right to be on the pitch even as they got battered.

We need fight in midfield and up front, and badly. I would sign not one, but two midfielders in january who really lead, not necessarily both defensive, but both leaders, and from there on in until we have some staibility as a side only ever play 2 our of Lennon, Jenas, Bently, Modric and Giovani, with the other two on the bench. Who? I know not. Gattuso I notice has not been starting for Milan. Having said that, I have not been impressed with him for a couple of years, but i said the same before we brought in Davids. I don't know. I quite like Jimmy Bullard, he never gives up and fights to the death, even as an attacking midfielder, and I notice Hodgson is not bending over backwards to keep him. Maybe we should even give another chance to Ghaly. Is that so mad? He did lose 4 teeth for us and still motor on till half time. You think any of the current lot would do that? There's even the likes of Scott Parker and Mark Noble being mentioned. Neither is my type of player, both are just what we need.

We need leaders in midfield, because we are in a relegation scrap and looking the favourites to lose by a mile. Modric, Jenas, only one of these two should play, at least for this season. Lennon, Bentley, Giovani, once again only one of these three should play, with the other two on the bench. I'd pick Lennon right now, especially because when it's only one of them the fastest is the best option really.

Then, up front, we need a leader, a battler, a fighter. It's a shame that Liverpool quite like Kuyt, and Tevez quite likes success. Great players though they are, neither Arshavin nor Owen are the players to get us out of this predicament, at least not on their own. And I can't see us going for two forwards. I can't really think who would be right. Heskey wins a lot of balls and does dirty work, but his head does drop, we need someone whose head will never drop. Like Keane I'm afraid to say. Kevin Doyle is quite handy, and like Keane he combines grit and guile.

I would quite happily see us line up for our first game in february like this:

..............Gomes
Hutto Corluka Woodgate Bale
Lennon Parker Gattusso Modric
............Bent Doyle

With a back up of

.................Cesar
Gunter Dawson King Ekotto
Bentley Jenas Zokora Giovani
..........Campbell Pavly

Or something like that

But fans rarely, if ever, get their wish

And even if they do, by then it might be too late.

I'm bloody depressed
 

Paxtonite

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Much of the original post makes sense and i have to be honest i have yet to see yesterday's game as i was out all day and i was abroad when we played Hull. I find that it takes an almighty effort to sit through our games now especially when the defeats keep sapping your enthusiasm and the more you don't see the more negative it becomes in your own mind.

Back to the point though, from what i can see,
  • we have after all only lost by one goal in each game this season so far (i am going to try and be positive here).
  • I don't think we have been totally outplayed by any team, although we have looked far worse than we are due to the lack of consistent pressure of the oposing team and the low creation of chances.
  • Our best performance came against Chelsea and we were denied the opportunity to build on this because of the international break. In fact these breaks have not helped us keep the squad together long enough in my view and has disrupted preparations.
  • We should have beat Hull by all acounts and Wigan too. We were definitely on top against Sunderland when they scored their winner.
  • Could anything more have gone wrong at Stoke??
It is though about mental strength. I think that is a mindset or message that Ramos will find difficult to instil because of the communication issues. Much may get lost in translation but then again shoudln't Gus be active here?

There is too an absence of leaders on the pitch. However this is where Woodgate in my opinion needs to grasp the nettle. Along with Jenas and Hutton. Our players are just too "nice" by nature and we need to start getting nasty and only these three in my opinion can do this (in the absence of King). Just until we can get a couple of wins.

And whilst i accept all the arguments of the original post, and whilst i have tried to be a little positive, then why oh why do i feel so low that i cannot see where the next win will come from?

I need to see a spark. Where players suddenly run and pass to the right areas and confidence returns with shots on goal, goals scored and victories. The thing is i can only believe in it when i see it and as we are at the moment, i know not when that will be.

:cry:
 

rooster1

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Oct 9, 2006
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I agree with you here Paxtonite. Wholehartedly.

I don't usually do this but here's my team.

Gomes
Hutton,Woodgate,King/Zokora ,Bale/Ekotto
Bentley, Huddlestone, Jenas, GDS/Gilberto.
Bent, Lennon.
Woodgate should be captain.
 

Woody10

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No no noooooo!!

Gomes

Hutton - Woodgate - King - Bale

Bents - FREUND - DAVIDS - Lennon

Bent - Pav

Fight for the F**king Team like they did!!!!!!:bang:
 

Mooch

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Ghaly has to be worth a punt. As for Bentley he seemed more worried about his hair being out of place yesterday.
I say let some of these first team prima donna's languish in the reserves for a while and let some of the youngsters have a go. I'm sure we'd see a bit more grit and determination.
And why the fek isn't Pekhart back from Southampton? A 6ft 2in striker we could do with right now.
 
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