Spurs are the quintessential "sleeping giant", and have been for the best part of a century. When Spurs won the second division championship in 1950 they did so with the highest average gates in the country, and the general feeling in the footballing world was why on earth had it taken this long for the south's leading club to win the league?. That was a club that until then had only ever won 2 FA Cups and hadn't been in div 1 for years and years. Spurs have always had a certain charisma that has eluded the Arsenals and Liverpools of this world. Whatever it is, it's powerful stuff. They still have it. Power comes from success, and Spurs haven't had any serious success of any sort for such a long time, so they aren't powerful; but they still have and charisma. That's the secret ingredient that's needed for any aspiring team. Leads one to think of potential. Again, Spurs have it in spades. Potential and charisma. What a combination. Power is missing. Don't expect power to come before success. If it happens it'll be the other way around. Unless of course a sugar daddy arrives, but that might drive away the charisma. Harry's fine.
Spurs stature: Smaller club with Harry at helm now in evidence?
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jimmy-jojo
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I would agree that our pulling power has diminished since last year, but I don't think it's anything to do with Harry.
The biggest influence is Man City now being able to throw astronomical amounts of money into recruiting new players. They've pushed us down the pecking order...
The biggest influence is Man City now being able to throw astronomical amounts of money into recruiting new players. They've pushed us down the pecking order...
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It's a bit early to say if we have lost our pulling power yet. How can you say one way or the other before we have made any signings?
Less than a month or so ago we were being continually linked with players like Kenwynne Jones, Djibril Cisse etc. and now we are being linked with Ruud van Nistelrooy, Arjen Robben, Fernando Gago, Ashley Young, Maxi Rodriquez and Klaas Jan Huntelaar. So the papers don't seem to think we are any smaller than before.
If it is Harry you are worried about, well he managed to entice Keane and Defoe back as well as signing Palacios and Cudicini when we were in the relegation zone. He couldn't have done much better than that.
If at the end of the summer we have signed Michael Brown and Robert Earnshaw then I might be tempted to agree with you. But I am pretty sure I will still be disagreeing with this thread come the start of the season and both the fans and the press will be thinking that Spurs are a pretty 'sexy' side.
Less than a month or so ago we were being continually linked with players like Kenwynne Jones, Djibril Cisse etc. and now we are being linked with Ruud van Nistelrooy, Arjen Robben, Fernando Gago, Ashley Young, Maxi Rodriquez and Klaas Jan Huntelaar. So the papers don't seem to think we are any smaller than before.
If it is Harry you are worried about, well he managed to entice Keane and Defoe back as well as signing Palacios and Cudicini when we were in the relegation zone. He couldn't have done much better than that.
If at the end of the summer we have signed Michael Brown and Robert Earnshaw then I might be tempted to agree with you. But I am pretty sure I will still be disagreeing with this thread come the start of the season and both the fans and the press will be thinking that Spurs are a pretty 'sexy' side.
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i dont think you can blame arry for our pulling power going down in fact if you believe the rumors of who might be joining us our pulling power may in fact being up. that said if our pulling power has gone down since last season i think that has to do with a)another failure to make the cl/challenge for the cl b) not being in europe next season
as for spurs being a "big club" i havent considered spurs a big club ever. we dont challenge for the league, havent played in the cl, havent won the fa cup in almost 20 years, and havent won the uefa cup in ages. sure spurs sell out every game and have a great support but you need more than that to consider yourself a big club.
as for spurs being a "big club" i havent considered spurs a big club ever. we dont challenge for the league, havent played in the cl, havent won the fa cup in almost 20 years, and havent won the uefa cup in ages. sure spurs sell out every game and have a great support but you need more than that to consider yourself a big club.
AngerManagement
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All other factors being equal then you could well see a player choosing a club based on who the manager was, in as far as who he thought would be the best manager to take him and the club forward.
I don't actually think that the change in manager from Ramos to Redknapp will have any tangible impact on our anility to attract players in real terms though.
The likelyhood of a club competing with us for a player being equal in every way to us aside having a percieved desirable manager are remote. Money, club stature and other playing and lifestyle factors will have more of an impact on this ability I think.
I think that not being a CL team and having releativly little success in the past 20 years has us in a postion where we cannot compete with the teams who do have CL football and can offer first team football to the same player we want.
Think back only recently we were somewhat unable to compete with Newcastle because they would offer more wages, they became unattractive when they showed they were never going to go forward (their managers actually did have an impact on desirability I think) but now Man City have taken their place.
What we have lost is the perception we are/were about to break into the top four, players may have seen us as a club on the cusp of being a CL team and obviously this would make us desirable...but frankly this has more to do with the poor start we have had to our last two seasons that have seen us slip well away from our best of the rest status then it has to do with who our manager is.
City because of their money, Villa and Everton because of their successful campagins last year can all lay claim to having a better chance of cracking the top four in the near future then us.
The sale of big players such as Berbatov and Carrick and the fact that they were replaced with the likes of Bent and Bentley may have an impact on how potenial signings view us (again more then the man in charge)
No Uefa football (although I dont agree that it has a huge impact), no realistic promise of CL football on the horizon and a less attractive squad of potential team mates all factor higher then the Redknapp being in charge variable for me... add those to the previously mentioned wages etc and I would say that there has been little damage done because Redknapp is now in charge (imagion if we had kept Ramos and gone down...who would we be signing now if that had happened?)
I understand your concerns, but I don't think they are significant enough to bother with. It's the falling away of our clubs status and rise in competition around us that has changed things.
Also, it may not actually be a bad thing... in the past two years we have clearly cracked under the pressure of being touted as the team who are going to breach the CL places.
Maybe losing the shine of the spotlight will help us develop as a team and build/challange in a more substantial fashion.
Maybe the 'lesser' pulling power (if we actually have lost any) will mean that we need to keep our squad more stable and it can actually grow and come out strong rather than the normal total reshuffle that leaves us getting outplayed by clearly lesser teams.
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Some creedence in this, but it's made us more realistic basically because we arn't as big as we think we are. But we're spurs we're dreamers
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its not redknapp its comolli.
comolli was great at persuading players to even consider joining us. and he had a wide knowledge of the top talents and actually attempted to get them to join us e.g. veloso, modric, berbatov, arshavin, sneijder, huntelaar last august, dos santos, pavlyuchenko etc.
unfortunately we will NEVER sign some exciting foreigner with redknapp at the helm. get used to seeing signings from english teams. the next manager will prob be the same. we were lucky to be linked with so many recongised top talents with comolli. the kind of players you would go for on football manager.
im not saying there is anything wrong with signing prem players - if it makes us better than i'll be delighted
comolli was great at persuading players to even consider joining us. and he had a wide knowledge of the top talents and actually attempted to get them to join us e.g. veloso, modric, berbatov, arshavin, sneijder, huntelaar last august, dos santos, pavlyuchenko etc.
unfortunately we will NEVER sign some exciting foreigner with redknapp at the helm. get used to seeing signings from english teams. the next manager will prob be the same. we were lucky to be linked with so many recongised top talents with comolli. the kind of players you would go for on football manager.
im not saying there is anything wrong with signing prem players - if it makes us better than i'll be delighted
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what a load of crap. Lots of football supporters from other clubs rate Harry very highly! What you see on here are plenty of fickle spurs supporters who love slagging off spurs, you've just become one of them! WELL DONE!:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
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How do you really know this though? atleast should I say how do you actually know Redknapp in and Comolli out will actually make any differnce to such things?
(I mean we may still have been able to sign talk to these players if HArry was in charge then, and or we may still not be able to persuade them now if DC were still at the club based on other factors)
What I am saying is I am sure none of us really know the ins and outs of what goes on behind the scenes out our club, what level of impact Levy has on signings etc.
I Would suggest most of what you have said is based on assumption, reading between the lines and what you read in the papers.
In my opinion you can't say we will NEVER sign such players with Harry in charge because you don't really know (like all of us).
jimmy-jojo
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I think Redknapp has a decent record of bringing in 'exciting' foreigners into the English game. From the top of my head:-
Kanoute
Yakubu
Krancjar
Muntari
There's probably more. There's also probably just as many who have flopped!
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Wow. Just wow. I didn't think it was possible, but gibbsy is no longer the biggest talker of bollocks in this thread.
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I don't think having Harry at the helm is the problem regarding signing good foreigners. I think it's our loss of momentum. We finished 5th twice and kept onto good players like Berbatov, Keane and Lennon. We started poorly but bought in someone recognised at the time as one of the best coaches in the business. A Carling Cup victory helped keep our prestige in what could have been a disastrous season.
Now with two seasons in a row finishing nowhere near our ambitions we are no longer the most attractive club outside the top four. Many fans have fallen from the clouds and have started thinking more realistically.
I think our way forward is changing the mentality at the club. Have the club start caring about and being loyal to the players instead of selling them once we think we've found someone who can "take us to the next level", bring in strong characters who will perform for 90 minutes a match - 38 games a season rather than a flair player who looks good on Match Of The Day and stay loyal and supportive to the manager even when we go through a tough period.
Not bringing in flash foreign players looking at us as a stepping stone is a good thing imo and if having Harry at the helm makes us a smaller club then that is just another positive he has bought to our club.
Now with two seasons in a row finishing nowhere near our ambitions we are no longer the most attractive club outside the top four. Many fans have fallen from the clouds and have started thinking more realistically.
I think our way forward is changing the mentality at the club. Have the club start caring about and being loyal to the players instead of selling them once we think we've found someone who can "take us to the next level", bring in strong characters who will perform for 90 minutes a match - 38 games a season rather than a flair player who looks good on Match Of The Day and stay loyal and supportive to the manager even when we go through a tough period.
Not bringing in flash foreign players looking at us as a stepping stone is a good thing imo and if having Harry at the helm makes us a smaller club then that is just another positive he has bought to our club.
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So you missed the part where I said I rated him?
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I'm going on responses frm this forum. We look at ourselves as a smaller club.
Harry was the change, he even did better than Ramos, so why are we seeing ourselves as a smaller club?
I think it is because harry is spit and sawdust and he helps us realize our realistic place in world football.
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If we had continued to have Ramos in charge, we would most certainly be a smaller club, as we'd be playing in the fizzy pop league.
Arry's job last season was to keep us up, which obviously he did and we are all happy about. He did so by buying a midfield holding player, a decent back up keeper and a decent striker. Not a bad start to his transfer dealings, as all three addressed key areas.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm not going to judge him, or whether he has had a downward effect on how we are perceived as a club just yet - it's too early to do that.
Arry's job last season was to keep us up, which obviously he did and we are all happy about. He did so by buying a midfield holding player, a decent back up keeper and a decent striker. Not a bad start to his transfer dealings, as all three addressed key areas.
I'm not his biggest fan, but I'm not going to judge him, or whether he has had a downward effect on how we are perceived as a club just yet - it's too early to do that.
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hardly exciting compared to veloso, huntelaar, modric, berbatov, ben arfa, arshavin and the many others we were after. we were actually going for villa and eto'o last season! and torres at the time that we got berbatov!
like i said, im not saying that redknapp is worse than comolli. im just saying that we should expect and football manager style players to be signing. nearly every target of our is based in england (so it seems). its the safer option but a tiny bit less exciting than seeing some "world talent" like modric arrive with nobody knowing much about them or seeing little of them.
and RE: AngerManagement -
ok maybe "NEVER" was a bit OTT but still.
btw, it wasnt just "the ramos effect". we've always been linked with exciting foreigners since comolli came. we used to be 90% done for ben arfa every season. he must have visited the training ground a thousand times!
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